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Istreliteli
06-14-2004, 10:25 PM
when we get the pe-2, will some of us be able to use it as a good air to air platform? correct me if im wrong but this seems to be a russian plane that fills the same niche as hte american p38 and german bf110....so in real life did it dogfight and how good was it....was it like in between the sturmo and a fighter?

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

Istreliteli
06-14-2004, 10:25 PM
when we get the pe-2, will some of us be able to use it as a good air to air platform? correct me if im wrong but this seems to be a russian plane that fills the same niche as hte american p38 and german bf110....so in real life did it dogfight and how good was it....was it like in between the sturmo and a fighter?

Ya sizhu i smotru chuzhoya neba iz chuzhoya okna, i ne vidyem ne odnoi znakom iz zvezdiy,ya hodil po vsyem dorogo iz tuda i suda, a vernusya i ne smog, razgredyet sledi, no isli yest karmane pachka sigaret nachat vsye ne tak uzh plocha na syevodnachniy dyen-Victor Tsoi, Kino (Gruppa Krovi)

Agamemnon22
06-14-2004, 10:29 PM
The original design was for a high altitude fighter. As the eastern front became what it did, they realized that noone needed a high altitude fighter and converted the concept to ground attack. Several models later they went back to the fighter idea resulting in the Pe-3.

So to answer your question, yeah I guess you could use it in air-to-air, it has a forward-firing machine gun and cannon. How good it will be at this is another matter though. I guess fighting Bf110's won't be such a big deal, but forget about taking on a 190 or something.

CdtWeasel
06-14-2004, 11:16 PM
Well first the 110 and P-38 dont have anything in common other than the number of engines really. P-38 is a much more effective fighter than the BF-110 was. The Pe-2 could be considered similar to the 110 in the heavy fighter/ground attack role. It was also very manuverable. In certain conditions it could outturn 109's.

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06-15-2004, 02:05 AM
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ELEM
06-15-2004, 02:13 AM
Read this book:-

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1861265883/002-6174867-5054408?v=glance

Yes is was used A2A many times. There is a famous incident where a flight of Pe-2's met a flight of Ju-87's and a dive bomber dogfight ensude. The Peskas coming out on top.
Of course the Pe-3 was the dedicated Heavy Fighter version, but was not able to hold it's own against single engined opposition.

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Obi_Kwiet
06-15-2004, 08:55 AM
I wonder if the A-20 or the B-25H ever did air to air in an emergency though... They could put alot of lead out of the nose.

horseback
06-15-2004, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
I wonder if the A-20 or the B-25H ever did air to air in an emergency though... They could put alot of lead out of the nose.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The A-20 was adapted for use as a nightfighter - the P-70 - before radars got developed in a more reasonable size, but it was not fast or maneuverable enough to operate in daylight as a fighter. It was useful as a night intruder by the RAF in the early war years, though.

The B-25 was just too big and loud to be a fighter, even if it had been available in sufficient numbers to divert some from the bombing/attack role.

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Jippo01
06-15-2004, 09:49 AM
Pe-2 was not very manouverable. Turn radius was large because of the large wingloading. Also powerloading wasn't very good. In tight turns lowest possible speed was 290km/h, and stall speed was as high as 210km/h when clean. Plane was also unstabile under 260km/h.

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WereSnowleopard
06-15-2004, 03:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Pe-2 was not very manouverable. Turn radius was large because of the large wingloading. Also powerloading wasn't very good. In tight turns lowest possible speed was 290km/h, and stall speed was as high as 210km/h when clean. Plane was also unstabile under 260km/h.

It could loop though.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo

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Oooooh, Thank you for head-up for it's weakness. We will make go low speed defense/attack if Pe-2/3 try air attack us.

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eodtech2000
06-15-2004, 05:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
I wonder if the A-20 or the B-25H ever did air to air in an emergency though... They could put alot of lead out of the nose.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My Grandfather told me he saw a B-25H or J model blast a Zero out of the sky when he served in the Pacific theater. He said it was obvious the Zero pilot had absolutely no experience! This was in late 1944 or early 1945, as my Grandfather was severly wounded at Iwo Jima!