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WUAF_LtC_Mantis
06-26-2004, 08:57 PM
On the Pacific fighters page, and info about the game on Ubisoft.com it says we can fly planes from USAAF, RAF, IJN and RAAF - well those were the main airforces in pacific.

However what other airforces are we going to be able to fly?

Will the RNZAF (Royal New Zealand Air Force) emblim be included, NZ flew mainly P-40's in Pacific, may have had a few P-38's and got some P-51's on the last days of the war. So shouldn't RNZAF atleast get its emblim in the game?

One of the highest, if not the highest scoring ace in the pacific flew for the RNZAF (I read it as him being the highest scoring ace, I may have read wrong its why I say "one of the highest here")

WUAF_LtC_Mantis
06-26-2004, 08:57 PM
On the Pacific fighters page, and info about the game on Ubisoft.com it says we can fly planes from USAAF, RAF, IJN and RAAF - well those were the main airforces in pacific.

However what other airforces are we going to be able to fly?

Will the RNZAF (Royal New Zealand Air Force) emblim be included, NZ flew mainly P-40's in Pacific, may have had a few P-38's and got some P-51's on the last days of the war. So shouldn't RNZAF atleast get its emblim in the game?

One of the highest, if not the highest scoring ace in the pacific flew for the RNZAF (I read it as him being the highest scoring ace, I may have read wrong its why I say "one of the highest here")

Zyzbot
06-26-2004, 09:22 PM
According to info I found this is the highest scoring ace from New Zealand:

Colin Falkland Gray 27.5 WWII New Zealand

Don't know if he fought in the Pacific or if he was just the highest from that country.

There are at least 3 other allied pilots who had higher scores in the Pacific:

Richard I. Bong 40 WWII USA
Thomas B. McGuire Jr. 38 WWII USA
David McCampbell 34 WWII USA

necrobaron
06-26-2004, 11:56 PM
According to Ian Boys we can also fly for Holland, but there is no mention of New Zealand.

"Not all who wander are lost."

VW-IceFire
06-27-2004, 08:17 AM
Hopefully they can add New Zealand in under the country selection at the very least.

Get some of their really interestingly painted P-40's.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

Kusituppo
06-30-2004, 11:28 AM
Yea but then there were the Japanese too...for example Saburo Sakai and an other one...Sakai was the Highest Scroring Ace that lived after the war...i think he is still alive?

"A Samurai lives in such a way that he will always be prepared to die." - Hagakure, Bushido code

"Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman" -Erich Hartmann

Kusituppo
06-30-2004, 11:30 AM
The highest scoring Ace was Nakajima i think...can't remember his first name, but i tell you, if you are interested in the Pacific War you should read a book called : "Samurai!"

"A Samurai lives in such a way that he will always be prepared to die." - Hagakure, Bushido code

"Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman" -Erich Hartmann

sapre
06-30-2004, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kusituppo:
Yea but then there were the Japanese too...for example Saburo Sakai and an other one...Sakai was the Highest Scroring Ace that lived after the war...i think he is still alive?

"A Samurai lives in such a way that he will always be prepared to die." - Hagakure, Bushido code

"Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman" -Erich Hartmann
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Saburo Sakai passed away 4 years ago.

Kusituppo
06-30-2004, 12:21 PM
Oh..ok thanks for the "news"

"A Samurai lives in such a way that he will always be prepared to die." - Hagakure, Bushido code

"Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman" -Erich Hartmann

Owl_NZ
06-30-2004, 09:26 PM
Mantis, NZ didn't have P-38's, and the P-51's arrived too late for combat (arrived 1946 IIRC). They did have:

F4U's (424 a/c) (1A's and 1D's mainly, plus very late some FG-1D's which didn't see service).
P-40s (290+ a/c) E, K, M and the bulk were N's.
PV-1/B-34 Venturas 100+
Hudsons
Catalinas
Avengers
Dauntlesses
Dakotas

Zyzbot, Colin Gray's 27.5 kills were with the RAF in Europe. NZ's top-scoring Pacific ace was Geoff Fisken (met him too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) w/ 11 Japanese kills (5 in the P-40, the others with the RAF in Malaya from memory).

I am doing the data for them to make campaigns from for the RNZAF. Whether they will allow them is another matter. No one has told me anything other than luthier accepting the offer of me doing the stuff to give them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Unfortunately the policy is to tell contributers nothing, so I will never know. It's the same with all the RAF squadrons I did for AEP. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ploughman
07-01-2004, 06:49 AM
Er...I think we should consider the implications. If we let the Kiwis in then we'll have to let in hobbits, and then it'll be the those talking trees and then, well, there goes the neighbourhood.

Capt._Tenneal
07-01-2004, 01:49 PM
When PF was first announced I immediately thought about the reaction from the Kiwis and Aussies, so yes I would push for inclusion of NZ planes too. If the Slovaks can get a campaign folder in AEP with ranks, medals, voice packs -- the whole bit, then NZ should have one in PF also.

Owl, OT subject, but what do you think of ANZAC forces fighting for the Empire in the Med, Europe, and other fronts when danger was at their doorstep in Asia ? Were secondary forces used for the defence of the homeland while the "first team" was fighting elsewhere ?

Monza27
07-01-2004, 01:58 PM
Being from NZ I would also like to see RNZAF included, as long as it is historicly accurate.

Owl_NZ
07-01-2004, 05:22 PM
FWIW ladies & gentlemen, I have finally gotten hold of someone close to the action on PF, so I should be able to get moving toward giving them everything they need to get the RNZAF in. ATM though, if I'm reading the message correctly, they don't have a lot to work with....and if Oleg's comments in the "cheating stops" thread are right, IMHO we may not see more than US, Japan and maybe one another getting a campaign to start with.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But, as I say, now I know (roughly) what is wanted, the shoulder goes to the wheel (well it was already there but I'll put my back into it as well now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif).

To Capt._Tenneal

NZ made one Order of Battle EVER in WW2, and that before Japan entered the war (that is why the information is taking so long, I have to manually verify and create the infomration from data, and RNZAF recording keeping is world renowned as the most appalling EVER http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif).

I am of the opinion that even if NZ had all it's forces in NZ when/if the Japanese attacked, NZ would still have lost (ok there would have been guerrila-style tactics employed but to all intents and purposes NZ would have been an occupied land). Here's one reason why:

I have seen that one pre-war OOB, and frankly, the Japanese would have been hard-pushed to beat the RNZAF. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
7 December 1941, RNZAF strength at home:
First-line:
36 Lockheed Hudsons
35 Vickers Vincents (6 in Fiji)
2 Short Singapores (Both in Fiji)

Second-line:

62 North American Harvards
143 Airspeed Oxfords
30 Fairey Gordons
221 Tiger Moths
46 Hawker Hinds
26 Vickers Vildebeestes
13 Vickers Vincents
1 Supermarine Walrus
7 multi-engined civil types (3 in Fiji).
20 misc light a/c (1 in Fiji)

10 P-40E's (first shipment of a total of 44 NZ-based ex Mid.East P-40E's) arrived 2 April 1942. These were so generally useless that they never left NZ (most were w/o in training accidents in any case as the P-40 was a dog for training pilots on).

Given the Japanese a/c ranges, I'd pick they'd land somewhere like Norfolk Is, construct and airfield, then support a landing on North of NZ, with supporting bomber & fighter cover out of Norfolk Is.

Monza27, I will make damn sure it is accurate. But accurate given the state of NZ's records, is a relative term. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I should be able to tell them who was based where, when, with what a/c types (and sub-types), and in what strength. Will that do? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But if things like the Hudson & PV-1 aren't in, you'll be stuck with fighter-bombing campaigns, one or two tours with TBF's, and/or a tour with SBD's (but if Gibbage does get that Cat flyable, we could hopefully get enough information together to give the option of making flying-boat tours of duty. We'll see. We may get nothing. It all depends on everyone else. My job is to provide them with that choice and if they want to do them (speak up if you want the RNZAF in, the more calls, the more likely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ). Speaking of which, time for me to go get on with this stuff, otherwise I'll never get it done.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Capt._Tenneal
07-02-2004, 08:33 AM
Even if, time constraints being what it is, Oleg and Luthier are pressed to release PF for the 2004 Holiday rush and only put US and Japanese campaigns out-of-the-box (original IL-2 had only German and Russian remember), I would still like to see the Commonwealth forces (RAF, RN, RAAF, RNZAF), Dutch, Chinese, etc. in a followup release or patch. Sort of like Forgotten Battles Pacific-style.

Flydutch
07-02-2004, 05:58 PM
The Former colony 'the Dutch East Indies' was strategic the most important and wanted target for the Imperial Japanese expansion plans, since it contained the oil their armada needed to sail or fly with!
Aside from that it produced a lot of tropical timber (My Grandfather worked for the 'Staats Bosbeheer' the state Wood department)
And ofcourse hard needed rice for the troops the Japanese islands them self have always had a history of to many inhabbitants to litle resources and food.
The Allies did their best to stop the Japanese from getting their hands on this essential target, a allied armada a.o.Dutch & English probaly Australian Navy fought to no avail to stop the Japanese.
Ofcourse it would be strange if at least New Guinea would not be mapped from there Dutch Indies Airforce fought Australia within the RAAF and togheter with the USAAF against the ocupation.

a lot of A/C the Dutch used are already modeled like The B-25 the Brewster Buffalo the P-40 the Curtis Hawk 75 andthe P-51.
Interesting A/C to be modeled would be the beautiful floatplane Dornier 24 (Used by the Dutch Navy)
My Grandmother told me that the distances in the Greatest argpelagos on this world are so fast that it took months after capitulation for the allies to arrive in force, in between the former prison guards (Who existed mostly out of Koreans in the lower ranks)had to protect their former captives against the indigenous Indoneseans who would seaze their chance and get rid of the colonist!