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LEXX_Luthor
01-19-2004, 11:45 PM
Didn't get into the UBI thing until last spring, and I have just been trolling the LOMAC webboard, they are totally slamming the Devs and the UBI. Do you old timers remember if IL2 had a Bucket of problems when it was born?

LOMAC Bug Forum...its a riot

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=17610606

I tell ya, it really made me think of how stable and smooth FB is now, at least on my WinXP setup, in offwhine play. Maybe its just Mature (or getting old http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

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LEXX_Luthor
01-19-2004, 11:45 PM
Didn't get into the UBI thing until last spring, and I have just been trolling the LOMAC webboard, they are totally slamming the Devs and the UBI. Do you old timers remember if IL2 had a Bucket of problems when it was born?

LOMAC Bug Forum...its a riot

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=17610606

I tell ya, it really made me think of how stable and smooth FB is now, at least on my WinXP setup, in offwhine play. Maybe its just Mature (or getting old http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

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adlabs6
01-19-2004, 11:59 PM
I am playing the original IL2 Russian bomber campaign right now, unpatched. Straight from the box I've had no "bugs" at all.

I'm not saying that there weren't some things that needed fixing, but I don't think the fix list looked anything like the LOMAC patch readme does.

IL2 is a very nice, enjoyable game, and quite different from FB on many fronts. It's a shame that more of IL2's better points weren't retained in FB.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-20-2004, 12:47 AM
HEY check this out. Wozop with this?

---> http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=254102951

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hobnail
01-20-2004, 12:51 AM
IL2 was the first simulation I can remember for a long while that shipped with no "show-stopper" bugs AFAIK.

Others may argue that their experience differs but for me it was a classic out of the box (or beta).

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Mirtma
01-20-2004, 01:01 AM
You just cannot compare those two products. I've been messing with LockOn for month now and I give up. It seems like good game, but with so many bugs... With IL2 I had no problems at all. I've been waiting for patches, but mostly because new aircraft.

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owlwatcher
01-20-2004, 01:09 AM
FB ran OK, There were bugs.
Worse problem I had was installing a X-36 hosta.
Took me a month to get it to play right.
Between early USB and poor software from Saitek it was a pain.
Been watching Lomac, I will still be watching till it settles in.

tttiger
01-20-2004, 01:18 AM
Falcon 4.0 was buggy as could be at first. Every time I landed, I was kicked the the desktop, a major disincentive for completing missions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's now the best jet sim ever and in terms of campaigns light years ahead of FB.

Give Lomac some time....

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Zayets
01-20-2004, 01:40 AM
I was waiting Oleg's patches only for the new additions. Of course , somee things were wrong (AI snipers and so on) but not to such a great impact on the game itself.The problems came in FB (stutters , again ship AI snipers etc),but patches fixed that. What is beautiful for IL2/FB is the amount of patches we have. Add-ons and so on.

LO-MAC is a no go , I quit playing this game. The only time i fly is probably once at 2 weeks witht my squad. And I can't believe I paid 45 eur for this game. I trusted ED that they will deliver THE GAME.Big dissapointment for me. Things came to reveal theemselves after the release , when everybody seen that a machine running FB with 50 planes in the air and everything maxed , couldn't handle 2 planes in the air with a fair battle on the ground. I kneew that I will not play this game for long.I hve managed to reach a decent fps in tthe game with pretty good settings , can't complain , but online is not that good.
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Zayets out

Nealg
01-20-2004, 01:47 AM
IL2, from Demo through release, was one of the most pleasant software experiences I ever had. Basically, install, adjust settings, and play, simple as that. There were some growing pains...mostly to do with settings...and of course, some hardware issues - but the first patch was more for adding/correcting things than fixing things. I think, a very pleasant experience for almost everyone.

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tenmmike
01-20-2004, 02:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
HEY check this out. Wozop with this?

---&gt; http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=254102951

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_Stanly is a _moron_, kai is a walking dead beet, Xev just want sex._<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> well i dont know what to say about that ..nic made a fantastic manual over there but i cannot imaging how he could possably think the boards over there are better then here in its worse time right after fb released and the fubared first patch was not even close to what they wentthrue and are going thrue over there..if nick made it i would buy it but he is sadly missinformed about the boards over there compared to here i go to both ..no comparison( although i quite going over there about 3 weeks ago as i could not stand it

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Zayets
01-20-2004, 02:21 AM
That was unfair for niccole , if not low. Where can I find 1 (ONE) post here in IL2 forum from this person? The only posts he made on Lomac reffers how much will cost the manual for Lomac and advertising it.doesn't worth to answer this,but instead to ask michampa what is OUR manual doing. I'm saying "our" because was started here.And free of charge. I will check some prices at kinko's to see how much can cost doing such a manual.
And to quote some other ppl , what in the hell will you put in 400 pages? This is not Falcon (that one has less than 300 IIRC).
Dissapointed.

Zayets out

tenmmike
01-20-2004, 02:48 AM
michampa does not want to do a printed manual ..i asked him..i can see a lot of pages if you see hoe nic does his work ..nothing but first class...imstill staggerd at his thoughts on this board compared to over there i was really feeling for ther mods as they are good guys swamped by 13-15 yr olds SCREEMING about every thing under the sun it was pathetic....i had alot of respect for nic for his very nice work over there but i now wonder a bit about him after that stament ..he is of course intiteled to his opinion but how he arrived at it is beyond me

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Zayets
01-20-2004, 02:55 AM
No doubt , what he did with Lomac manual is FIRST CLASS. Is his oppinion about the board and probably just an oppinion. I have asked him what he wants to put in (over) 400 pages.
I was thinking of michampa's manual not as a hard copy ,but something that can be printed out and kept as a manual. Plus , his manual (mich) has very nice quotes from this very forum (well , the old one) , which makes it a bit funnier and nice to read.

Zayets out

LeadSpitter_
01-20-2004, 08:30 AM
to me il2 sturmo felt like a complete game, il2fb feels like an alpha version of a patch with drastic changes each patch that brings new bugs and makes it tough to get exact statistics of performance to compair it to real data , FB changes seem to effect the entire balance of the game, remember how many people strictly flew the hurricanes and i153s in 1.0 of fb now they get flown so rarely i cant remember the last time i seen someone in a hurricane mk1 but do see i153s now and then which are completely superior to the hurricanes because of E bleed

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WOLF-Mondo
01-20-2004, 08:41 AM
Il2 was ok when it came out save for the AI but FB was a buggy mess IMHO when it came out. Only now with 1.21 is it actually a complete and relativly bugless game.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-20-2004, 09:35 AM
hehehe Yeah I knew this would somehow turn into a Flight Model "bug" Thread.

FB 1.0 was the smoothest installing and running game I ever installed given its two CDs.

Now for the 1.0 I~16 and Email FM and DM, well I was saving that for the Flight Model "bug" Thread. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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zoomar2
01-20-2004, 11:36 AM
I was able to play Il2 from the box with no problems (AMD 1.4, Gf2 64 meg). At first the graphic display seemed slow-motion (I played with the speed speed at 2x to compensate) and there was a lag in my joystick, but it turned out this was because of old drivers in my Windows XP which was fixed with an update. It was very stable. FB was seemed a little rougher out of the box, especially with the sound, which needed to be tweaked to reach the standards of IL2. I also get a noticeable stutter in game play the first time in a mission that certain gunfire, AA sounds, etc are made, but it is only a minor annoyance. Both IL2 and FB have been stable as a rock (which is my main concern). I am an offline player only and had no trouble playing IL2 full graphics settings (except in Leningrad and the Gulf of Finland with gobs of buildinngs, AA, and explosions going on making things kind of jerky - but playable). Don't listen to all the comnplaints on this boad by people screaming about so called flight model, graphics, and damage model bugs. These are really complaints about decisions made by the game designers - not bugs...and in no way do they distract from the games' enjoyability.

I'm glad to hear about the LOMAC problems, however. I WAS thinking about getting it...now I'll be more cautious.

yarbles67
01-20-2004, 11:50 AM
Out of the box, both original Il-2 and Il-2:FB were rock solid in regards to stability. No issues on my end.

horseback
01-20-2004, 03:07 PM
my initial problems with Il-2 Sturmovik were primarily due to early XP/GL issues coupled with a PCI MX200 vidcard. Once I got my stuff together, it ran great.

The only 'bug' I had was the one to that drove me to get a better computer, more RAM, videocard, soundcard, TrackIR and HOTAS/rudder pedals setup. Only cost me about $2000 (so far).

Run for your economic wellbeing!

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backseatgunner
01-20-2004, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(snip) Do you old timers remember if IL2 had a Bucket of problems when it was born?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Straight out of the box, no adjustments, straight into bug-free play. The music drove me nuts, but other than that, no dramas. It was exactly how software is supposed to work...sigh... Hey Gatesy, take a hint!!!

Haven't played LOMAC (hey buddy, where's your prop http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Just can't get into anything post 1953...hey Korean War flight sim...hmmmm

(mustn't post after 2 night shifts and no sleep. Oops, too late!)

cheers, and good night.

michapma
01-25-2004, 08:57 AM
As for a manual it would be great if a professional team would cook something up for FB. The current manual I've organized and written for is still for IL-2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

I'm still working on it slowly, adding some content for combat and I want to get the chapter on flight done (then I'll probably release a second version), but I just don't have time to do all this writing. (I got so much done before by slacking in some other departments, which I can't do anymore.) The only thing I have almost done specifically for FB is a CEM guide, which I hope to release online not long from now.

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HarryVoyager
01-25-2004, 09:50 AM
Il-2 is probably the only game I have ever played that was completely bug free for me out of the box.

Now, I did have some problems with Forgotten Battles crashing, but they were fixed in a reasonably timely manner, and they weren't as irritating as bugs in other games I have run into.

As for LO:MAC, I'm still playing it, but I have had continual problems with it, some serious, some not. After dealing with the unstoppable, un fixable, bomb-bug that was Tribes 2, and the nearly bug free Il-2, I'm simply no longer willing to spend hours tryign to fix a problem that I may, or may not be able to fix at all; life is to short, and there are to many other good games.

Final Fantasy XI is another game that I have been able to run completely without incident, so if you are into MMORPGs, that is a very stable one.

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DONB3397
01-25-2004, 10:25 AM
IL2 was remarkably free of bugs/hassles for me, and I loaded it on an older PC. No stuttering, no crashes. Coming from CFS2 and 3, Janes WWII and EAW, I was sure the genre had arrived. FB, for me, is even better because of the range of ways you can control it. I'll be happy when the FMs settle down, and when I can preserve .trks from one patch to another. But, overall, it's not bad. None of the problems so far are show stoppers, IMO.

I loaded and tried Lomac's demo. No interest. Not because it's not impressive, but because WWII -- with its scope, strategic and historical content -- is simply more interesting to me.

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John_C_Flett
01-25-2004, 11:24 AM
IL2 had bugs but none that stopped it playing. One of the patches caused an error on one map and that was dealt with very fast.

I certainly reckon it was worth buying on day 1 where as I'm still not willing to put money into LOMAC.

The problem with patches with games like IL2 ( OFP is another favourite and good example ) is that the game evolved in response to feedback and grew over time. This resulted in huge patches but by and large these were not fixes. Of course if you don't know the details and just look on the download page it can be pretty intimidating.

No I think IL2 did the job where as a lot of titles ( Falcon 4 I'll also agree on ) seem to be commercial beta tests when they hit the shelf.