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LEXX_Luthor
01-26-2004, 12:39 PM
I did not know this. We have a modder hiding here, at the ubi.com, making this....


http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/avia_1.jpg

---> http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/avia.htm


Reminds me of Polikarpov R~5. Avia made the last Biplane kill of the WAR, in 1944, against Hungarian Ju~52 (story from both sides offered at bottom of link).

Erbriac:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>posted 26-01-04 01:25
A czech pre-war biplane fighter. Do a google search on Avia B.534 and you'll know more, if you want to. Hope you'll all like it. Spending one hell of a time doing a plane no one knows about is not very pleasant feeling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
"if you want to" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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LEXX_Luthor
01-26-2004, 12:39 PM
I did not know this. We have a modder hiding here, at the ubi.com, making this....


http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/avia_1.jpg

---&gt; http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/avia.htm


Reminds me of Polikarpov R~5. Avia made the last Biplane kill of the WAR, in 1944, against Hungarian Ju~52 (story from both sides offered at bottom of link).

Erbriac:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>posted 26-01-04 01:25
A czech pre-war biplane fighter. Do a google search on Avia B.534 and you'll know more, if you want to. Hope you'll all like it. Spending one hell of a time doing a plane no one knows about is not very pleasant feeling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
"if you want to" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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LeadSpitter_
01-26-2004, 02:05 PM
Being czech Im hoping this becomes flyable along with the quicker new czech aircraft.

the S199 etc.

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Erbriac
01-26-2004, 02:48 PM
Lexx, you don't visit Netwings often, do you? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/471.html

From the last update I finished the external and almost the mapping + basic texture.

Btw, it's nice you care!

Vladimir_No2
01-26-2004, 04:53 PM
More biplanes, Wonderful.

http://www.doyle.com.au/images/scharnhorst2.JPG
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Capt_Haddock
01-26-2004, 05:06 PM
Can't wait for this one, myself.

One of the nicest biplanes ever. Always reminded me of a racing plane.

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SUPERAEREO
01-26-2004, 05:17 PM
Didn't know it was being modelled, one of the best looking biplanes ever!

Something else to look forward to, thank you!!!

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LEXX_Luthor
01-27-2004, 12:39 AM
Erbriac:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you don't visit Netwings often, do you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No I haven't but I am now. I tried to register, but got no Emil confirmation. I don't blame them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


Capn Haddock:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Can't wait for this one, myself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://d21c.com/walpurgis9/dogs/part4/0047.gif


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thegoose001
01-27-2004, 01:22 AM
excellent........i love this plane
i hope that we dont have to wait to long afterit is ompleted for it to be in-game

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LEXX_Luthor
01-28-2004, 01:23 PM
bump, thump, thump, thump http://www.abotc.com/animations/dalmation.gif

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Erbriac
01-28-2004, 02:49 PM
Hehe, doing an advertise campaign for me I see http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This is what I did last week. Only minor update so I did not post it @ Netwings. It's still WIP.

http://czaf.boule.cz/test_mapped03.jpg

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[This message was edited by Erbriac on Wed January 28 2004 at 01:59 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
01-28-2004, 09:20 PM
Will it have open or closed canopy? If they ever do Ki-27 over the FB, it should have open cockpit, but was first made with closed canopy approved by Japanese Army, but the Army pilots Whined about the cockpit view. haha nothing new under the FB sun.

Erbriac, do you have a pic of those skis? Thanks.

Cockpit planned? How hard to get references? More News soon NOW! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>advertise campaign<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



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FW190fan
01-28-2004, 10:37 PM
Ooh, that is going to be fun to fly.

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg

Erbriac
01-28-2004, 11:24 PM
There will be B.534 version 4, closed canopy, 4x 7,7 MG with wheels or skis (skis not yet modelled) and Bk.534, 2x 7,7MG + 1x 20mm MG/FF in the propeller hub, closed canopy too. Cockpit planned for both versions.

I have probably all the references which exists. The cockpit will be somewhat tough nut to crack, because I have only low-res photos and paintings, but it will be ok.

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necrobaron
01-29-2004, 12:02 AM
This will be a fun bird to fly. I can't wait to have some all bi-plane dogfights......

"Not all who wander are lost."

necrobaron
01-29-2004, 12:02 AM
This will be a fun bird to fly. I can't wait to have some all bi-plane dogfights......

"Not all who wander are lost."

necrobaron
01-29-2004, 12:04 AM
Sorry for the double post. Forum's acting a bit screwy....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

Friendly_flyer
01-29-2004, 12:17 AM
Wow, good looking bird! It reminds me a bit of the Hawker Fury, which in my view is best looking biplane ever. I really hope it will be flyable. I have a soft spot for quaint, early war planes.

What I would really like to see though is a Swordfish!

Fly friendly!

Petter B¸ckman
Norway

LEXX_Luthor
01-29-2004, 07:43 PM
Erbriac:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have only low-res photos and paintings, but it will be ok.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Okay, our stress levels just went down. Thank You. Can Oleg make FM?

If Oleg tries to Bully the B-534 into AI only, let us know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

necrobaron, thanks for the triple thump. You know, yesterday I realized that the rear gunner crew position of the IL-2 Field Mod is not modded. Therefore, IL-2 Field Mod is not flyable. If anybody is flying this, you must STOP NOW. Hopefully the Next Patch will Delete the IL-2 Field Mod pilot cockpit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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LEXX_Luthor
02-25-2004, 12:44 AM
Bump key on my keyboard is sticking again. Must fix this.


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02-25-2004, 01:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erbriac:
There will be B.534 version 4, closed canopy, 4x 7,7 MG with wheels or skis (skis not yet modelled) and Bk.534, 2x 7,7MG + 1x 20mm MG/FF in the propeller hub, closed canopy too. Cockpit planned for both versions.

I have probably all the references which exists. The cockpit will be somewhat tough nut to crack, because I have only low-res photos and paintings, but it will be ok.

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Fantastic. I've already got several Hungary vs. Slovakia missions ready for the Avia. Right now they're using the P.11c as a substitute which works pretty well.

Now if there was a Fiat CR.32 we could have some real "crap planes" 1930 biplane action. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-25-2004, 02:40 AM
cosmokart:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Now if there was a Fiat CR.32 we could...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>...Party!

CR~32 is now in Oleg's "Mad Docs" diabolical Lab (hopefully) getting AI brains and FM/DM.
Cockpit is planned.

CR~32 here---&gt; http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/771.html

and here ---&gt; http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/771.html

These webboard posts are a few weeks old, so the pics are gone.



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02-25-2004, 03:04 AM
Sweeeeeet, now just enlarge the bottom left corner of the Lwow map a bit and add a few more airfields....

Oh! and Letov *.328's. I'm getting excited!

LEXX_Luthor
02-25-2004, 03:24 AM
I know, that Lvov map does not have enough airfields...er...airports. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-07-2004, 09:00 PM
*thump* to turn up the heat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

thegoose001
05-07-2004, 11:49 PM
love the plane.... "**** planes" my **** lol...

i really hope that Oleg doesnt try and make it A.I only...

i loved this planes back in the days of CBFS2 (yes i played CBFS2)

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p1ngu666
05-08-2004, 07:43 AM
hopefully we will get a update http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
love ze biplanes, 2 kills against 190's yesterday in cannon i153 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif
against good pilots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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Heavy_Weather
05-08-2004, 07:49 AM
hey its even got the ensignia of the Fighting Irish on the tail http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Erbriac
05-08-2004, 07:53 AM
Hopefuly Jutocsa, who's skinning it, won't punch me for posting this WIP shot...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I do it only because I am happy someone cares about this aircraft of mine.

PIC DELETED..updated news at Netwings
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[This message was edited by Erbriac on Tue May 11 2004 at 12:57 AM.]

lil_labbit
05-08-2004, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
_*thump*_ to turn up the heat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah - Great Plane - Hope we get to fly it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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noshens
05-08-2004, 08:38 AM
wow looks great! I hope someone make cockpit for this plane too. I always look forward more biplanes.

p1ngu666
05-08-2004, 09:31 AM
of course we care!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
how is mossie and avia going?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
if i can prise template off jutocsa ill do a fury alike skin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Erbriac
05-08-2004, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
of course we care!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
how is mossie and avia going?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
if i can prise template off jutocsa ill do a fury alike skin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
&lt;123_GWood_JG123&gt; NO SPAM!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, Avia has complete non damage LODs, Cockpit is about 60% done, modelling wise, last time I checked (done by a friend of mine).

Mosquito, FB.VI (flyable), non-DM LODs complete (99%), Prangster is finishing LODs for AI FB.IV bomber version and I am working on loadouts (rockets, bombs, rails, tanks) and putting together everything about diff. marks which can be modified from both models, to have +/-
3 versions flyable and 4 AI (but no promises). Cockpit has not been started yet, modeller who will do it has still some work to do for PF.

Quite good future for allied simmers/simmerettes (hehe, Lexx), don't u think? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Kasdeya
05-08-2004, 10:04 AM
Erbriac, I didn't know anyone was doing this plane. I saw it a year ago in one of my books and thought this would be a great plane for FB, and hell I just wanted to fly it. I am glad to see that you have made it and the Avia looks great BTW. Thanks for your hard work mate.

Can;t wait for it. Cheers.

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Capt_Haddock
05-08-2004, 11:44 AM
Wow! Erbric, the 534 is looking absolutely fantastic!

I actually learned last week that the Spanish Republic actually purchased a few of these, although they never reached Spain as they were stopped as part of the non-intervention act. They could have been a nice match for the Italian Chirris.

Thanks for the update.

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p1ngu666
05-08-2004, 04:02 PM
will we get the nightfiger with the big airbrake around fusalarge? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
good to know they coming along well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
trying to nab template of jutocsa now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-10-2004, 11:54 PM
Avia B.534 update by Jutosca http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/sun_smiley.gif http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/lol2.gif http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/party.gif

---&gt; http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/983.html

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yes, while im making the skins, Erbriac is modelling the pit, I hope he will post some pics soon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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F19_Olli72
05-11-2004, 12:28 AM
Looking forward to this...and imo the more biplanes the better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/avia_15.jpg

Too bad the Hs123 never made it though :|

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DuxCorvan
05-11-2004, 08:22 AM
From the Netwings, Jutocsa's last skin WIP:

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Jutocsa/side.jpg

See more here:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/983.html

Hallelujah! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
05-12-2004, 10:44 AM
gonna poke him more now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
09-08-2004, 04:45 PM
*thump*


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>poke him more<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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p1ngu666
09-08-2004, 04:59 PM
given link to jutocsa, maybe he will post update.
erbriac told me stuff awhile ago but dunno id i can share http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Red_Russian13
09-08-2004, 06:20 PM
Looks like a bunch of fun.

Red Russian

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woofiedog
09-09-2004, 02:31 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Wow it would be a Great Addtion!
There was one that even had SKI'S!!!!
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/avia_13.jpg

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/avia_3.jpg

Heres the last kill by a Bi-Plane in WW2... a B-534!
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/cyprich_2.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/Bogdanovaslava/images/aviab534no74.jpg
Heres a Link to a Walk Around set of Photo's.
http://s96920072.onlinehome.us/AWA1/301-400/walk353_Avia_B-534/walk353.htm


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/WOOFIEDOG.jpg

jurinko
09-09-2004, 02:53 AM
yep it was kill of Hungarian Ju-52 by our Slovak pilot rtk. Cyprich during the Slovak anti-nazi uprising in September-October 1944. It happened nearby the city of Banska Bystrica. One or two members of Ju staff were killed in the incident.

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woofiedog
09-09-2004, 02:53 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Just found another Link that is pretty good.
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/avia.html


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