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erauflyer
05-03-2004, 12:07 PM
Hi all!

I was wondering if anybody had any advice on this lovely a/c. For instance, how in the name of, well, you know who, do you bring down an enemy with those four .303 guns?! I can hardly bring down a Po-2, let alone a Yak or LaGG! Also, with cockpit visibility being restricted by the top wing, I have a hard time spotting enemys. Any hints? Lastly, does anybody have a good combat doctrine for flying the J8A? Obviously it is a gifted aerobatic a/c, so I would imagine turn and burn would work.

Thanks in advance!

erauflyer
05-03-2004, 12:07 PM
Hi all!

I was wondering if anybody had any advice on this lovely a/c. For instance, how in the name of, well, you know who, do you bring down an enemy with those four .303 guns?! I can hardly bring down a Po-2, let alone a Yak or LaGG! Also, with cockpit visibility being restricted by the top wing, I have a hard time spotting enemys. Any hints? Lastly, does anybody have a good combat doctrine for flying the J8A? Obviously it is a gifted aerobatic a/c, so I would imagine turn and burn would work.

Thanks in advance!

scootertgm
05-03-2004, 12:13 PM
Accually on a campaign I have going I've shot down 4 I-153's in one mission (With limited ammo in case you ask http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif )

Turn and burn works great, just set your convergence in close and shhot at that range for max damage. I had mine set at 150m.

For some reason I'm thinking the Fin's accually shot at 75-80m as a standard.

p1ngu666
05-03-2004, 12:17 PM
use the cowl guns for sniping
online take any oppertunity to get shots, plus u can get outa the way real quick
headons are your best bet for quick kill

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erauflyer
05-03-2004, 12:21 PM
Thanks very much! I'll have to go out and practice some more.

PBNA-Boosher
05-03-2004, 12:24 PM
Well, having trouble bringing down a Po-2 is understandable, even with their wooden and fabric frames, they're tough little airplanes! In fact, they're so good, they were used up until the end of the Korean War!

However, gunnery in the J8A is tough, I agree. When I am directly behind a target, I use the MG's mounted in the nose, and when I'm farther away, I use all 4 MG's. Generally, you want to aim for the engine, cockpit, or radiator. Don't try and rip wings off with MG's, you'll just end up dead. Also remember that you're slow, you you're best not hammering long bursts into them, make short bursts, pull away, come back on his tail, make another short pass with a burst, and repeat until his pilot is dead or his engine is burning, etc...

mike_espo
05-03-2004, 12:25 PM
Don't know if this will help, I fly the Fiat CR.42 online alot. That Gladiator can out-turn me all the time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Get close and shoot! When flying the falco, I usually get within 100m before opening up.

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F19_Orheim
05-03-2004, 02:23 PM
Very glad you like our sweetheart... I must say I have never had better kill/death ratio in any other AC than in a J8A. Fly her right and you will be very successful and a good chance to get home alive.

Here are some tips you can use...

1. Always keep altitude. In the J8A you need Altitude for E. Whenever you get the chance to climb, CLIMB! Don't waste time chasing a foe's 6 in levelflight. He is most often faster than you are. Instead CLIMB(!!), he will surely turn around and come back for you, and if you have gained altitude, you have gained E, thus maybe an advantage over him. BUT.... do NOT loose sight of him, there is a chance he climbs too!

2. Always try to locate your enemy. If you know where he is at all time you can plan your flying, and when he is coming for you ,you can quickly decide which way to turn so that he looses an opportunity. Plan how to meet him! Situational Awareness (SA) is ONE very important key for success. If you do not know where you opponent is or what he does, you will most likely be in a tough spot.

3. Try not to overflood your engine with fuel in negative G. No engine - big nono! You can restart after decrease mix and throttle, but you will loose important E.

4. Practice gunnery and don't shoot until you are sure to hit him, and then use all 4 guns. Aim for engine and cockpit!!!! Also, shoot in deflection ... shooting dead on on his six won't accomplish more than you getting hit by chips of his paint
Don't be too eager. Shoot when close -100

good luck!


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mike_espo
05-03-2004, 02:42 PM
Hey Orheim, I am looking to recreate historic Regia Aeronautica/RAF Coop mission. Gladiator and Falcos. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well see which is the better A/C... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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mike_espo
05-03-2004, 02:43 PM
Hey Orheim, I am looking to recreate historic Regia Aeronautica/RAF Coop mission. Gladiator and Falcos. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well see which is the better A/C... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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erauflyer
05-03-2004, 03:04 PM
Cool, thanks again guys! I am really looking foward to finally being able to take on I-153's on my own terms!

P.S. A Regia Aeronautica vs. RAF coop sounds neet, maybe something like Malta 1941!

mike_espo
05-03-2004, 03:12 PM
P.S. A Regia Aeronautica vs. RAF coop sounds neet, maybe something like Malta 1941![/QUOTE]

I was thinking of the Greek/Albanian invasion of 1940. Greek PZLs with British Gladiators vs G.50s and Falcos....Not sure which map I would use though.

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Curly_109
05-03-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
use the cowl guns for sniping
online take any oppertunity to get shots, plus u can get outa the way real quick
headons are your best bet for quick kill

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that's an excellent tactic for slow & weak armoured planes(head-on) ---especially against crappy U-2--- if u approach him from behind... he has sniper gunner... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
05-03-2004, 08:15 PM
oh watch your dive speed, ive found engine overheat is too late a warning
oh remmber u can whip round really quick too,
oh and remmber flaps, funny enuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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F19_Orheim
05-04-2004, 01:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike_espo:
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Well see which is the better A/C... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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I would say they are quite similar, just be sure to use each plane's advantages, when in a CR 42, use your speed advantage against the J8A. If you go into a turn and burn fight with a J8A, suit yourself http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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tttiger
05-04-2004, 02:41 AM
Here's a quote from a Gladiator Web Site:

"The Gloster Gladiator was, as the famous test-pilot Captain Eric M. Brown put it, undoubtedly one of the greatest biplane fighter ever built, but, appearing almost simultaneously with the first of the new breed of heavily armed monoplane fighters and bombers, it was pitched into a combat era where it was outgunned and outperformed, though never outmaneuvered.

Brown also stated that combat between the Fiat CR.42 Falco and the Gladiator would bee a fascinating duel between the two best biplane fighters in the world. The CR.42 had a slight speed advantage, the Gladiator a slight armament advantage. In the matter of maneuverability the aircraft were about equal, and each was lightweight in construction. A combat between them would be decided on the skills of the opposing pilots. The outcome could go either way."

Try a Gladiator and a Falco 1 on 1 in QMB. The Falco is a bit faster but both are fun to fly. I flew a Gladiator against a Falco for a half an hour and ended in a stalemate! Great Fun!

Oh, and put a Brit skin on that Gladiator. It was a British plane, after all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here's the whole web site, more than you probably ever wanted to about the Gladiator:

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/gladiator.htm

It's one of the most elegant planes in the set IMHO, a real beauty. There are some great skins for it at IL-2

And here's a page on the Falco from the same site:

"The famous test-pilot Captain Eric M. Brown, RN, had an opportunity to fly the captured CR.42 MM5701, which was captured after a forced-landing in the later stages of Battle of Britain. He reported that the aircraft was an aerobatic gem. It was remarkably fast for a biplane with a top speed of 270 mph at 12,400 ft and a marginal stability, the hallmark of a good fighter. The CR.42 was a superb biplane that gave an outstanding performance for its type, but as a fighter it was under-gunned. Though highly manoeuvrable, like all aircraft with a lot of fabric covering it was very vulnerable to enemy fire."

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco.htm

Finally, here's one (same site, you may want to bookmark the main page http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) on fights between the Gladiator and Falco at Malta:

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/malta.htm

Have fun!

ttt

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[This message was edited by tttiger on Tue May 04 2004 at 01:52 AM.]

[This message was edited by tttiger on Tue May 04 2004 at 02:03 AM.]

KIMURA
05-04-2004, 04:46 AM
erauflyer

Reduce gun convergence to 100m and search for hight advantage, because the Glad is that slow that you need to build up some E to encounter faster fighters as the 109E is(for examm.). The guns are strong enough if your target is within a "usefull" range. Online - my biggest a/c I shot down with the Glad was He111. In a Online COOP I shot down 4xCR.42 and 1xG.50 with FR settings so I think we can't rant about weak armament. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Kimura