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Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 12:11 AM
Hello, as some of you may know, myself and quite a few others have been trying to get the P-47M and N modelled and flyable in FB. Well I have found a modeller who wishes to remain anonymous for the moment, at least until we can get this worked out. Time is of the utmost importance here, we need to get all of the information together, pictures, technical information, and upon completion of the models a collection for the payment(which after talking to the prospective modeller is very fair and reasonable). If these planes are important to you and you have any information/pictures, etc. and/or want to contribute monetarily for this effort please contact me ASAP. My email is command@361stvfg.com.
I am in high hopes of seeing this come for us all to enjoy, but it will take a team effort considering the limited time we have to make it happen. So again I ask for any and all interested parties to contact me through email, this thread or PT. Thank you for any assistance you all can offer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
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Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 12:11 AM
Hello, as some of you may know, myself and quite a few others have been trying to get the P-47M and N modelled and flyable in FB. Well I have found a modeller who wishes to remain anonymous for the moment, at least until we can get this worked out. Time is of the utmost importance here, we need to get all of the information together, pictures, technical information, and upon completion of the models a collection for the payment(which after talking to the prospective modeller is very fair and reasonable). If these planes are important to you and you have any information/pictures, etc. and/or want to contribute monetarily for this effort please contact me ASAP. My email is command@361stvfg.com.
I am in high hopes of seeing this come for us all to enjoy, but it will take a team effort considering the limited time we have to make it happen. So again I ask for any and all interested parties to contact me through email, this thread or PT. Thank you for any assistance you all can offer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1003.jpg

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-25-2004, 12:55 AM
BUMP!!!! We have less then a month to make the expansion http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Korolov
01-25-2004, 01:21 AM
Well, it won't be making AoE, but it could be in a future addon.

I'll see what I can find. Specifically, what does the modeler need? Cockpit shots? Blueprints?

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necrobaron
01-25-2004, 02:14 AM
A big and hearty bump! Perhaps a thread should be started over at the Netwings.org Dev. forum.....

Cajun76
01-25-2004, 02:16 AM
If it's the same guy, I posted most of the best sites I know of on the other thread. Let me know if there is anything I can do.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

p1ngu666
01-25-2004, 07:53 AM
i could go scan my p47n profile thingy now
how much is it gonna cost? ill donate what i can afford which isnt much
i think he should do the N first cos theres a small chance oleg would do the M hardly any difference to the ones we got now i finks :\

VW-IceFire
01-25-2004, 08:09 AM
This should be interesting...an HVAR armed P-47 with the ultimate in power, speed, and handeling for the series should be a fantastic thing to have in the game.

See what the Netwings researcher guys can digup.

- IceFire
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/spit-sig.jpg

GR142_Astro
01-25-2004, 08:36 AM
Ah, great idea.

PUNT!

VW-IceFire
01-25-2004, 08:39 AM
I've posted a request on the Netwings Dev Forum for any research assistance possible.

- IceFire
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/spit-sig.jpg

Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 08:57 AM
Thanks Icefire, we need cockpit reference and as many shots of both a/c as we can lay our hands on. It is a different modeller as the other thread, he is currently working on other projects for this game. The cost would be fairly low considering what we would be getting and any assistance would be appreciated, even if it is $1. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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p1ngu666
01-25-2004, 09:08 AM
theres none of the cockpit from my profile, but theres a few detail shots ill scan at high res for the modeler
just a few pages left http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Diablo_777_AVG
01-25-2004, 09:14 AM
Eagle.....you can count me in. I'm willing to help in any way possible. What will insure that the DM and FM will be correct tho? 1C hasn't gotten the d-27 right.

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p1ngu666
01-25-2004, 11:44 AM
http://pingu666.etglobalsolution.co.uk/p47n/
its all black and white apart from the h which are colour
if the modeler wants larger pics of the other stuff then poke me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hotspace
01-25-2004, 12:47 PM
I have a book about the P-47 somewhere.

I'll have a look for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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hotspace
01-25-2004, 12:55 PM
Here's a Link just about the P-47M:

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/9485/P-47M.html

And another one:

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_12.html

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hotspace
01-25-2004, 01:00 PM
Here's one about the 56th Fighter Group who use them.

It gives details on who flew them, what the planes were called etc.....

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/56thfg.jsp?offset=-1

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x__CRASH__x
01-25-2004, 01:04 PM
Will there be additional planes added after the add-on? I hadn't heard?

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hotspace
01-25-2004, 01:05 PM
And one for the 63rd Fighter Squadron:

http://www.56thfightergroup.org/HisTest/P4763rdFS.html

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VW-IceFire
01-25-2004, 03:08 PM
Great reading on the P-47N. Lighter controls, more responsive, less mush in a turn, HVARs, superior range, and excellent top speed. This was the pinnacle of the P-47 all around development for sure.

Sort of in the same class as the Tempest II, the Spifire Mk 22, and the Ta-152 except that it got to properly enter combat service.

- IceFire
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/spit-sig.jpg

necrobaron
01-25-2004, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
Will there be additional planes added after the add-on? I hadn't heard?

http://www.ghostskies.com/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes. There are plenty of planes that couldn't be completed for the Feb. add-on so they'll be released in later add-ons.....

Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 04:09 PM
Thanks everyone, anything here is appreciated and I am hoping that 1C can do us right with these once we get them into their hands. My ulterior motive also is that they will rework the D-27 in the process as well. But I rather doubt that last one. Kepp it coming, I am sending all of this to the modeller this week. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
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VW-IceFire
01-25-2004, 04:16 PM
Despite the D-27 problems the P-47N is a almost totally different bird...the roll rate shouldn't be a problem and the P-47N should be much more responsive. The roll stability problems also solved with tail modification that was present on the P-47N's.

- IceFire
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/spit-sig.jpg

Menthol_moose
01-25-2004, 04:24 PM
I cant see any reason why not to have this version of the Jug. (m)

"This is my mustang, there are many like it but this one is mine ! "

p1ngu666
01-25-2004, 04:55 PM
hey guys, please read the stuff i scanned in
took awhile to scan :P

Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i could go scan my p47n profile thingy now
how much is it gonna cost? ill donate what i can afford which isnt much
i think he should do the N first cos theres a small chance oleg would do the M hardly any difference to the ones we got now i finks :\<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, thanks for the info, now pretty much all we need are cockpit references and whatever donations people are willing to pay. And we are ready for the next stage. I have emailed Oleg to get the P-47D-27 model or whatever we need to carry on from there. I will keep everyone posted. And again thank you for all of the info. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
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p1ngu666
01-25-2004, 05:43 PM
np. ill poke my dad for the other 47 profile hes got
its probably for the D version, so not much use :\

ibeone
01-25-2004, 07:25 PM
Wow, you guys kinda forgot the scenario that IL2 is supposed to cover. It is great to add more planes, but part of the develpment teams problem, is that a lot of people want planes that took very little part in the IL2 scenario in real life.
Because of the pressure of the I want, I want, I want crowd, many planes that took a large part of the eastern front war. Have not been included, specificaly ground attack twin enginge aircraft of both sides.
The continual push to include planes that saw little or no opereration in the eastern front is sad.
Why dont you guys push for the more common aircraft used on the eastern front?

Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 08:38 PM
Nobody forgot the Eastern front, and it is far from our fault that there is relatively no hard data has survived on many a/c from that theatre. But while many a/c are being included in this game have nothing to do with the front, why not have a few more that made a contribution to the whole war? Especially considering that there is a general want for these planes, and the data to back them up. As long as we all enjoy the sim and whatever they give us, why complain? If you do not support our ideas why knock them? We are not demanding that they be included only that let us have a chance to include them. If there are a/c that you feel deserve to be here in the game, you should do the same as us, rather than come in here and complain and belittle us. People who want change and do nothing are as ignorant as those who fight change. We are doing something for a/c that we would like to see in this game, that made a contribution in the WAR, andmost importantly we are doing something about it, rather than letting somebody else do it or complain about it.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
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ElAurens
01-25-2004, 10:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ibeone:
Wow, you guys kinda forgot the scenario that IL2 is supposed to...blah blah blah... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you really want more East Front AC, make it happen. But don't biatch about someone else's efforts. In case you had not noticed, the sim has expanded beyond the East, and it is better for it. These folks have taken the initiative to add someting to this sim, and I applaud them for it.

You want a Pe2? So does everyone else. But there is not a correct example left to model from, unless you know of one. Do you?

No, I thought not....

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tagert
01-25-2004, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Hello, as some of you may know, myself and quite a few others have been trying to get the P-47M and N modelled and flyable in FB. Well I have found a modeller who wishes to remain anonymous for the moment, at least until we can get this worked out. Time is of the utmost importance here, we need to get all of the information together, pictures, technical information, and upon completion of the models a collection for the payment(which after talking to the prospective modeller is very fair and reasonable). If these planes are important to you and you have any information/pictures, etc. and/or want to contribute monetarily for this effort please contact me ASAP. My email is command@361stvfg.com.
I am in high hopes of seeing this come for us all to enjoy, but it will take a team effort considering the limited time we have to make it happen. So again I ask for any and all interested parties to contact me through email, this thread or PT. Thank you for any assistance you all can offer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>COOL! Put me down for $50.00 bucks! If you need more.. I can make payments!

TAGERT

Eagle_361st
01-25-2004, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tagert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Hello, as some of you may know, myself and quite a few others have been trying to get the P-47M and N modelled and flyable in FB. Well I have found a modeller who wishes to remain anonymous for the moment, at least until we can get this worked out. Time is of the utmost importance here, we need to get all of the information together, pictures, technical information, and upon completion of the models a collection for the payment(which after talking to the prospective modeller is very fair and reasonable). If these planes are important to you and you have any information/pictures, etc. and/or want to contribute monetarily for this effort please contact me ASAP. My email is command@361stvfg.com.
I am in high hopes of seeing this come for us all to enjoy, but it will take a team effort considering the limited time we have to make it happen. So again I ask for any and all interested parties to contact me through email, this thread or PT. Thank you for any assistance you all can offer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>COOL! Put me down for $50.00 bucks! If you need more.. I can make payments!

Sweet! $50 is more than enough with what I am chipping in, we just about have them covered. I will set-up a paypal account just for this as soon as I get the OK from Oleg, so we can be ready to pay the fine modeller. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TAGERT<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 01:38 AM
Bump http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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hotspace
01-26-2004, 06:01 AM
And Bump again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 08:23 AM
i just thought, axis are getting ta152 which is surposidly uber (i havent looked into it much tbh)
what are allied pilots gonna have to stick it to the ta152's ?

Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 09:00 AM
Well I heard back from Oleg.....and this is what he had to say. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Need advice on what to do next.
Dea Sean,

We are really too busy. Also N and M never saw as I know any combat and are
not under our request in the past for Luft 46 theme.
Also, Except the more grater speed the N model (sure that also M model) has
no advantage over D. I wil say even in all other aspects of combat it will
be even worse (Its why I think it never used later and in Korea).
Also, the cockpits of N and M as I know had also real differences to D
models, so that is also factor that need to be evaluated.

I will repeat, we are really busy and will be more even busy from the summer
time due to work over two projects at once, that will feature the Pacific
using FB 3D engine and BoB using new 3D engine.

So better to redirect the modellr for pacific needs, becauee this title will
still use the 3D thechnology of modelling 100% similar to FB.

To be sure, I am not ready to totally give up. But I do need advice as to what to do next.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 09:13 AM
Well I emailed Oleg back with this, hopefully he will understand that I mean no offence. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dear Oleg,

I appreciate your reply and understand how busy you are. I feel that perhaps I need to shed some more light on these two variants of the P-47. Both saw combat in WWII. Especailly the "N" model which was designed as a long range escort for the Pacific Theatre. I am going to include some specifications on both aircraft, if you could read it over, I think you will see that the "N" at the very least does have a place in FB, especially with the coming Pacific Add-on. I really don't want to upset you, but both of these planes were quite superior to D models and would make a considerable difference for the P-47's image. Enjoy what I have included, and please understand that I am not trying to upset you. I only wish to share some information with you, because these aircraft are important to me and many others.

The P-47M was a special high-speed version of the Thunderbolt specifically evolved to counter the Fieseler Fi 103 (V-1) buzz bomb and the new jet- and rocket-powered fighters that were entering service with the Luftwaffe.
Four P-47D-27-RE airframes were taken off the production line at Farmingdale and fitted with the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-57(C) engine equipped with a larger CH-5 turbosupercharger. This new engine offered a war emergency power of 2800 hp at 32,500 feet with water injection. Air brakes were fitted underneath the wings to aid in deceleration during dives. These four converted P-47Ds were redesignated YP-47M.
This new engine installation was ordered into production in September 1944 for the last 130 P-47D-30-RE aircraft delivered by Farmingdale, the aircraft being subsequently redesignated P-47M-1-RE. The serial numbers of the 130 P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolts built were 44-21108/21237
The first P-47M was delivered in December 1944, and they were rushed to the 56th Fighter Group in Europe. However, engine problems delayed their use until the last few weeks of the war in Europe. Underwing racks were not fitted, as the P-47M was meant to be operated strictly as a fighter.
Performance of the P-47M-1-RE included a maximum speed of 400 mph at 10,000 feet, 453 mph at at 25,000 feet, and 470 mph at 30,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 3500 feet per minute at 5000 feet and 2650 feet per minute at 20,000 feet. Range (clean) was 560 miles at 10,000 feet. Armament was six or eight 0.50-inch machine guns with 267 or 425 rpg. Weights were 10,432 pounds empty, 13,275 pounds normal loaded, and 15,500 pounds maximum. Dimension were wingspan 40 feet 9 3/8 inches, length 36 feet 4 inches, height 14 feet 7 inches, and wing area 308 square feet.
The P-47N
The P-47N version of the Thunderbolt was the last version to be manufactured in quantity. It was a specialized long-range version built specifically for service in the Pacific theatre.
However, the war in the Pacific required fighter ranges even greater than did operations over Germany. In pursuit of better long-range performance, in mid-1944 the third YP-47M prototype was fitted with a new "wet" wing of slightly larger span and area. The aircraft was redesignated XP-47N. For the first time in the Thunderbolt series fuel was carried in the wings, a 93 US gallon tank being fitted in each wing. When maximum external tankage was carried, this brought the total fuel load of the XP-47N up to an impressive 1266 US gallons. This fuel load make it possible for a range of 2350 miles to be achieved.
The new wing also incorporated larger ailerons and squared-off wingtips. These innovations enhanced the roll-rate of the Thunderbolt and improved the maneuverability. The dorsal fin behind the bubble canopy was somewhat larger than that on the P-47D. However, the increased fuel load increased the gross weight of the aircraft. In order to cope with the increased gross weight, the undercarriage of the XP-47N had to be strengthened, which increased the weight still further. The maximum weight rose to over 20,000 pounds.
The XP-47N flew for the first time on July 22, 1944. Such was the USAAF confidence in the Thunderbolt design that they went ahead and ordered 1900 P-47Ns in June 20, 1944, even before the first XP-47N had flown.
The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.
The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.
A total of 1667 P-47Ns was produced by the Farmingdale plant between December 1944 and December 1945, when the Thunderbolt line finally closed down. 149 more P-47Ns were built by the Evansville factory. V-J Day cancellation of 5934 Thunderbolts brought production of the type abruptly to an end.
Performance of the P-47N-5-RE included a maximum speed of 397 mph at 10,000 feet, 448 mph at at 25,000 feet, and 460 mph at 30,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 2770 feet per minute at 5000 feet and 2550 feet per minute at 20,000 feet. Range (clean) was 800 miles at 10,000 feet. Armanent included six or eight 0.50-inch machine guns with 500 rpg and two 1000-lb or three 500-lb bombs or ten 5-inch rockets. Weights were 11,000 pounds empty, 16,300 pounds normal loaded, and 20,700 pounds maximum. Dimension were wingspan 42 feet 7 inches, length 36 feet 4 inches, height 14 feet 7 inches, and wing area 322 square feet

I hope that perhaps this will help in at least the possiblity of the P-47N making it into the game. Thank you for your time and reply.

Regards,

Sean "Eagle" Conlon
CO 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)

I can at least hope he will make one of these a possibility. I have sent him some information and I hope he will read it, and really give it some thought. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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BS87
01-26-2004, 09:49 AM
I think what oleg is trying to say is, the P47N isn't so incredibly superior that it *needs* to be in FB or people wont fly p47s. The man is really busy working on other project, and he cannot just model every plane someone wants.

This whole thing seems a little selfish to me, no offense. I'd say lets work on getting the current planes correct before we go adding tons more.

Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 10:02 AM
For your information there are plenty of people who fly the P-47, and the P-47N is quite superior. How can you realistically say that we are selfish, when it seems every whim and drawing of the LW is making it into the game, i.e. 109Z(never even flew), Go-229, should I go on....... I swear some people just can't see that these planes are needed. How many ******* 109's and 190's do we have? How many frickin Ta 152's were actually made and saw combat? Yet the US and British planes suffer, with next to no representation in this game. But yet you come in here and label us selfish, what a joke. Too bad this wonderful simulation is full of people like you, and it seem's those interested in only a fair shake as far as the US and RAF are concerned always get the short-end of the deal. Thanks for your wonderful insight and maybe someday your dream will come true that this game will be nothing but LW planes. You can be sure that many of us are really tiring of this kind of crap.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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TX-Zen
01-26-2004, 10:14 AM
S~ Eagle,

I will probably never fly the P47M or N, or at least only rarely. I will probably also never fly the Spitfire either, but I really want to thank you for the effort you are putting into this.

Sure there are other planes more appropriate to the original focus of the game that might be added first, but the focus of the game has changed to include the western front. For this reason I think the M and the N variants are a good idea to push for.

The work you are doing is appreciated by many of us, even people like me who have no real interest in the plane for ourselves. I am glad you are taking the time and effort to try and make this happen because even though it's not my cup of tea, others do want to see these planes added and someone has to make the effort.

Naturally I'd like to see all the appropriate planes added and it takes people like you to help 1C/Maddox out as much as possible for them to be included.


For that I send you my sincere thanks and appreciate that you are trying to make the game better as a whole.


S!!

TX-Zen
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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 10:22 AM
Thanks Zen, as always you are a true gentleman. Hopefully, others who wish to push for the a/c that they feel need to be done, i.e. Eastern front a/c will do the same thing. To me personally the more planes the better, but it's not like some are insuating we are asking for a X-wing fighters with tactical nuclear HVAR rockets. :P

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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JHAT__
01-26-2004, 11:08 AM
SO are you starting the P47N from scratch as well as its cockpit? And about reworking the other cockpits hmmm reworking or doing a new one?

TX-Zen
01-26-2004, 11:13 AM
I agree, the whole trend to the fantasy 46 world is a bit disturbing for me...jets, jets and more jets, plus a lot of things that probably dopn't need to be in the game (though I will never take the stance that it is my place to tell someone their plane doesn't deserve to be in the game, the more the merrier!)

Personally I'd rather see more bombers for all sides, more logical variants of planes that did see service, more of the workhorses and less of the things that flew in very small numbers or not at all during combat. Some planes make sense, others don't. The La7 and Ta152 come to mind for making sense, the P80 doesn't for example.

I don't have a problem with the TA152 being include, not because it's my favorite uber plane, but it did see combat and if the La7 can be included despite it's very limited impact on the war, I think the TA152 can also. The P80 to my knowledge did not see combat, therefore to me I have to lean away from it.

It's just kind of hard to see things like the Bi-1 in the game and not have more sensible planes like the Me110 instead...but as hard as it might be I'm not going to gripe. The main thing is that 1C/Maddox is continuing to add planes and while some of the choices may not be mine in particular, they could very well be someone elses and I'm ok with that.


At some point if we are lucky, all the major theaters will be represented and hopefully all the major plane types will be flyable. It's for this reason that I encourage every possible plane to be added and don't get sour when I see things being added that maybe don't make sense...at least they're being included and perhaps at some point the list will be complete.


Keep up the effort on the M and the N...I think they are worth it. I also encourage others to make reasoned and well thought out arguments to have other planes included.

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 11:14 AM
Well the P-47N would be a copmplete new model, as far as the M, I don't know if it could be worked over on the current D-27 model. The "M" really was a D-25 with the new "C" series engine, and no wing racks. The cockpit's would be totally new as far as I know. Judging from the email I got from Oleg I am pretty sure that we can forget about the "M", but I am going to continue my case for at least the "N". It's a shame but I can undestand that they are busy, but the "M" would have required the least effort on their part and is as worthy a plane as any Ta-152, Bf 109z and many other a/c that we are already getting. But I will take whatever I can get as it is not my game, my only hope is that they will hear my case. I am working on digging up more information for Oleg and 1C to go over to make a better decision.

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p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 11:36 AM
point him to the documents i scanned
im certain at some point it must have had combat. just scanned though it, even if he only reads the picture notes he will see they had combat.
thought u had a modeler to make the models?

Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 11:40 AM
I have a modeller, but I am guessing he means making the FM and DM. I sent him a ton of info that covers some combat history on both types. I can only hope the more I send him, the more he see's the difference these two variants offer. I can't explain why Oleg seem's to think that the P-47 was such a "poor" aircraft when in reality it was one of the greats, just not as glamorous.

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JG26Red
01-26-2004, 12:18 PM
I wish they would have put more time in actual planes that thought, personally i think we could have done without the 109Z, G0229 and P80, replacing them with more useful planes, i.e. a P47N, HS129 to name a few.. TA152 deserves to be in the game, it flew for a bit of time and had favorable actions against some of the allies best planes..

oleg and crew made a big mistake by adding a few british and american planes and didnt look at the big picture and realize you guys would want somemore, they did come back and do the 38 and more 51s but neglected the jug, must be a jug diesease, you hear stuff about best fighters or war, you hear alot of yaks, 190s, 51s, spits but not much about the jug... srry but seems you jug fans are being shafted, but you are doing the most you can do.. good luck on your attempts, i feel they will be in vain thou

hotspace
01-26-2004, 12:38 PM
I have to agree with you here, JG 26 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 12:56 PM
eagle, would u like me to host some more material of yours or others?
id like to look/read at it atleast http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i can sort u out a ftp account for my webspace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
just no copywrited stuff, or get out paint and paint over that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 12:59 PM
yeah that would be great, I will pass it on to you after I get it all together.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thanks for the offer.

JG26 Red,

I couldn't agree with you more, it may be a fuitless idea, but we will continue. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
01-26-2004, 01:05 PM
Challenge Oleg about the P-47N seeing service. It had over 200 confirmed kills in the PTO with units serving at Iwo Jima. Had the war gone on with Germany for another month the P-47N would also have saw combat in Europe because the aircraft had been shipped out and the tactical units still flying the Thunderbolt were already retrofitting with the P-47N when the war ended.

In-terms of overall combat capacity the P-47N was faster, rolled faster, was more stable, could hold a sustained turn better, light on the controls unlike previous versions, and employed HVAR rockets. Its a significant difference from the P-47D-27 and a significant performance boost to the series.

Two reasons for its being withheld from combat in Korea:

1) There was increasing concern that the Soviet Union would attack the Continental U.S. P-47N squadrons were re-activated and deployed in defensive positions throughout the country.

2) The P-51 was much cheaper to produce and maintain than the P-47N which was why the P-51 saw additional combat and the N was kept for Continental defense.

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 01:09 PM
Excellent post Icefire! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I sent oleg a bunch of information, but I will gladly send him some more if you could pass it on to me.
My email is command@361stvfg.com.

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tttiger
01-26-2004, 01:47 PM
Really appreciate your efforts, Eagle. It looks like you have plenty of links to info and America's Hundred Thousand should give you all the data you need. I'll try to scrounge around for cockpit stuff.

I'm deeply disappointed in Oleg's reaction. The P-47M (which, if I had a choice, is the one I would recommend) flew extensively with the 56th FG.

By my count, there were 19 in the 61st FS, 19 in the 62nd FS and 48 in the 63rd FS. In other words: The most famous P-47 FG of the war, Zemke's Wolfpack (although Zemke was a POW by then) flew nothing but P-47Ms in 1945; Here's the list if you want to check it out (I'm sure you have this link):

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/56thfg.jsp

The P-47M reputedly was the fastest prop fighter ever built (certainly during WWII). It deserves to be in the sim. Unlike the P-80, it saw a great deal of combat.

If Oleg wants to move the sim to the Pacific eventually (and it seems he does), the P-47N was an important late war player.

As to the fact the US did not keep them on active duty (many went to the AF Reserve and National Guard). It could be argued that choosing the Mustang (which I also love) was a mistake. In Korea they were used primarily for ground attack and many were shot down because they weren't nearly as rugged as the Jug and that inline engine was very vulnerable to ground fire. The Marines were smart and kept the Corsair for close air support, an equally tough mud mover.



Everything written above about the P-47N is true. I question the need for a long range bomber escort in this short range sim. But the P-47N certainly flew many missions and had an enviable record.

I'm not happy with what Oleg called the Luft 46 fantasy stuff. When I started flying IL-2 a couple of years ago, I greatly admired his integrity and (despite a lot of conspiracy theories from the Hitler Youth) his attempts to model the planes as realistically as possible. He is giving in to the whiners and tweaking the FMs to pacify them and that's a death knell for any sim. That was the downfall of WarBirds IMHO.

In any case, the Jug has become my ride of choice, even though it still should roll better. The Jug has a family tradition, anyway, as my uncle was adjutant of the 406th FG in the 9th AF all across Europe.

Thanks for fighting the good fight. If you have a good third party developer, I can't see what the problem is. The lame argument for adding the P-80 always has been "Gibbage did it for free."

If it ever moves toward reality and you want to pass the hat, I promise hefty donation.

Aloha & S!

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JG26Red
01-26-2004, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
Really appreciate your efforts, Eagle. It looks like you have plenty of links to info and America's Hundred Thousand should give you all the data you need. I'll try to scrounge around for cockpit stuff.

I'm deeply disappointed in Oleg's reaction. The P-47M (which, if I had a choice, is the one I would recommend) flew extensively with the 56th FG.

By my count, there were 19 in the 61st FS, 19 in the 62nd FS and 48 in the 63rd FS. In other words: The most famous P-47 FG of the war, Zemke's Wolfpack (although Zemke was a POW by then) flew nothing but P-47Ms in 1945; Here's the list if you want to check it out (I'm sure you have this link):

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/56thfg.jsp

The P-47M reputedly was the fastest prop fighter ever built (certainly during WWII). It deserves to be in the sim. Unlike the P-80, it saw a great deal of combat.

If Oleg wants to move the sim to the Pacific eventually (and it seems he does), the P-47N was an important late war player.

As to the fact the US did not keep them on active duty (many went to the AF Reserve and National Guard). It could be argued that choosing the Mustang (which I also love) was a mistake. In Korea they were used primarily for ground attack and many were shot down because they weren't nearly as rugged as the Jug and that inline engine was very vulnerable to ground fire. The Marines were smart and kept the Corsair for close air support, an equally tough mud mover.



Everything written above about the P-47N is true. I question the need for a long range bomber escort in this short range sim. But the P-47N certainly flew many missions and had an enviable record.

I'm not happy with what Oleg called the Luft 46 fantasy stuff. When I started flying IL-2 a couple of years ago, I greatly admired his integrity and (despite a lot of conspiracy theories from the Hitler Youth) his attempts to model the planes as realistically as possible. He is giving in to the whiners and tweaking the FMs to pacify them and that's a death knell for any sim. That was the downfall of WarBirds IMHO.

In any case, the Jug has become my ride of choice, even though it still should roll better. The Jug has a family tradition, anyway, as my uncle was adjutant of the 406th FG in the 9th AF all across Europe.

Thanks for fighting the good fight. If you have a good third party developer, I can't see what the problem is. The lame argument for adding the P-80 always has been "Gibbage did it for free."

If it ever moves toward reality and you want to pass the hat, I promise hefty donation.

Aloha & S!

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything except the fastest prop fighter thing lol DO335 was faster... althought it didnt fight...

tttiger
01-26-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
Really appreciate your efforts, Eagle. It looks like you have plenty of links to info and America's Hundred Thousand should give you all the data you need. I'll try to scrounge around for cockpit stuff.

I'm deeply disappointed in Oleg's reaction. The P-47M (which, if I had a choice, is the one I would recommend) flew extensively with the 56th FG.

By my count, there were 20 P-47Ms in the 61st FS, 19 in the 62nd FS and 48 in the 63rd FS. In other words: The most famous P-47 FG of the war, Zemke's Wolfpack (although Zemke was a POW by then) flew nothing but P-47Ms in 1945; Here's the list if you want to check it out (I'm sure you have this link):

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/56thfg.jsp

The P-47M reputedly was the fastest prop fighter ever built (certainly during WWII). It deserves to be in the sim. Unlike the P-80, it saw a great deal of combat.

If Oleg wants to move the sim to the Pacific eventually (and it seems he does), the P-47N was an important late war player.

As to the fact the US did not keep them on active duty (many went to the AF Reserve and National Guard). It could be argued that choosing the Mustang (which I also love) was a mistake. In Korea they were used primarily for ground attack and many were shot down because they weren't nearly as rugged as the Jug and that inline engine was very vulnerable to ground fire. The Marines were smart and kept the Corsair for close air support, an equally tough mud mover.



Everything written above about the P-47N is true. I question the need for a long range bomber escort in this short range sim. But the P-47N certainly flew many missions and had an enviable record.

I'm not happy with what Oleg called the Luft 46 fantasy stuff. When I started flying IL-2 a couple of years ago, I greatly admired his integrity and (despite a lot of conspiracy theories from the Hitler Youth) his attempts to model the planes as realistically as possible. He is giving in to the whiners and tweaking the FMs to pacify them and that's a death knell for any sim. That was the downfall of WarBirds IMHO.

In any case, the Jug has become my ride of choice, even though it still should roll better. The Jug has a family tradition, anyway, as my uncle was adjutant of the 406th FG in the 9th AF all across Europe.

Thanks for fighting the good fight. If you have a good third party developer, I can't see what the problem is. The lame argument for adding the P-80 always has been "Gibbage did it for free."

If it ever moves toward reality and you want to pass the hat, I promise hefty donation.

Aloha & S!

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything except the fastest prop fighter thing lol DO335 was faster... althought it didnt fight...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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tttiger
01-26-2004, 01:59 PM
LOL, one of the links supplied by another poster said it was the fastest but that is a bold claim.

That's why I said "reputedly." Journalists like myself (along with lawyers) are masters of "weasel words."

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faustnik
01-26-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
it seems every whim and drawing of the LW is making it into the game <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would love to see the P-47M in the sim but, you lost me with this B.S. statement Eagle. LW pilots have been asking for common 190 armament combos for years (since the beginning of IL-2) and still don't have them. You have not been singled out for persecution.

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 02:22 PM
I am not saying this about persecution, and my statement is far from B.S. I understand what has been going on with 190, as that is what I flew in IL2 waiting for the P47 in FB. I am talking about the fact that it seems OM has no intention of letting us add a/c that we have ready to go, because he doesn't like it. Are you going to seriously tell me that the D-10, D-22 and D-27 are the only P-47's that served in the war? C'mon man think about it, we are trying to add legititmate a/c into this game. Why with this one certain a/c will he not add it, when we have a modeller ready to do it? This again is the third time I have tried to get these a/c into the game. There has got to be a reason. So don't give me your fecking BS!

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 02:27 PM
SO tell me then the Go-229, Bf 109Z, they were modelled by someone right? Well they are getting into the game, right? Why can't these P-47's be in the game too? Tell me other than those two a/c, what other planes are getting into the game that barely even got off a drawing board? You must misunderstand me, because I have not been complaining bacause nobody will model it, I have had a modeller in the past and do again. OM has flatly refused to add the a/c. Period

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faustnik
01-26-2004, 02:31 PM
I'm all for including the P-47M and even the N, but, your statement about the LW getting whatever they want was still crap. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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faustnik
01-26-2004, 02:35 PM
BTW, the U.S. is getting the P-80, which saw about as much combat time as the Gotha, so it's not a U.S. vs L.W. thing.

IMHO, I'd rather see the P-47M, P-51A, Fw190A3, Fw190A6, Pe-2 and a whole list of others instead of the never flew late war stuff.

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 02:42 PM
Yeah I don't really agree with getting the P-80 myself. I prefer to see battle proven a/c. I should have said at least these a/c are being included if you know what I mean. I am just so worked up over this that I am hardly seeing straight. I don't mean to be testy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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faustnik
01-26-2004, 02:46 PM
Just to make myself clear, I would love to see the P-47M included in FB. It was used in the ETO, despite its engine troubles, and belongs in the sim.

If you have someone to build it, why not include it in a later addon?

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 02:49 PM
That's just the thing Faustnik, if I have it done either version Oleg will not include it period. That is what has me so worked up. He told me to flat out, he would not include it done or not.

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Korolov
01-26-2004, 02:52 PM
You sure you didn't misunderstand him?

If he really doesn't want it into the game, I wonder why not. Whats wrong with having a new P-47 in the game? Ask him about a D-30 or a D-35.

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Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 02:54 PM
I don't think there was any chance for misunderstanding him, here's his email to me.

Dea Sean,

We are really too busy. Also N and M never saw as I know any combat and are
not under our request in the past for Luft 46 theme.
Also, Except the more grater speed the N model (sure that also M model) has
no advantage over D. I wil say even in all other aspects of combat it will
be even worse (Its why I think it never used later and in Korea).
Also, the cockpits of N and M as I know had also real differences to D
models, so that is also factor that need to be evaluated.

I will repeat, we are really busy and will be more even busy from the summer
time due to work over two projects at once, that will feature the Pacific
using FB 3D engine and BoB using new 3D engine.

So better to redirect the modellr for pacific needs, becauee this title will
still use the 3D thechnology of modelling 100% similar to FB.

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p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 03:06 PM
hm i know these seems silly, but does anyone else see comparisons with a key figure in the relivant history and oleg?.
in the strange disiosion and funny tache :\.
not in evil dark ways etc, just those.
perhaps a pertion ?

also his comments that its only speed, is party true but its a energy fighter, it needs more speed...

RED_BEAR8
01-26-2004, 03:11 PM
well i don't like the idea of the P 80 either, and also i would like to see some betters planes and more combat proved aircraft. I dont wnat to rise a dust cloud but this is not CFS3.

Personally speaking i would prefer a new game with the p 80 included like a Korea game that in here. seens off place for me.

I would like for sure see the P-47M and P-47N include on this game.

About the N not seeing combat i recomend you to read this book from Motorsbooks internatinal
Thundrebolt by Roger A Freeman. ISBN 0-87938-664-9

there is a chapter that described the operation of the 47N on the pacific at the end of the war. page 81 chapter 9 on the book.


Maybe the raction of oleg is because of the BOB sim i think he will be full hands on that

count my vote for those birds if is needed..

MiloMorai
01-26-2004, 03:55 PM
from http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_13.html

The P-47N version of the Thunderbolt was the last version to be manufactured in quantity. It was a specialized long-range version built specifically for service in the Pacific theatre.

Four P-47D-27-RE airframes (serials 42-27385/27388) had been taken off the production line at Farmingdale and fitted with the Pratt & Whitney R-2800-57(C) engine driving a larger CH-5 turbosupercharger. This engine could produce a war emergency power of 2800 hp at 32,500 feet with water injection. These aircraft had been redesignated YP-47M and served as the prototypes for the P-47M series.

However, the war in the Pacific required fighter ranges even greater than did operations over Germany. In pursuit of better long-range performance, in mid-1944 the third YP-47M prototype (42-27387) was fitted with a new "wet" wing of slightly larger span and area. The aircraft was redesignated XP-47N. For the first time in the Thunderbolt series fuel was carried in the wings, a 93 US gallon tank being fitted in each wing. When maximum external tankage was carried, this brought the total fuel load of the XP-47N up to an impressive 1266 US gallons. This fuel load make it possible for a range of 2350 miles to be achieved.

The new wing also incorporated larger ailerons and squared-off wingtips. These innovations enhanced the roll-rate of the Thunderbolt and improved the maneuverability. The dorsal fin behind the bubble canopy was somewhat larger than that on the P-47D. However, the increased fuel load increased the gross weight of the aircraft. In order to cope with the increased gross weight, the undercarriage of the XP-47N had to be strengthened, which increased the weight still further. The maximum weight rose to over 20,000 pounds.

The XP-47N flew for the first time on July 22, 1944. Such was the USAAF confidence in the Thunderbolt design that they went ahead and ordered 1900 P-47Ns in June 20, 1944, even before the first XP-47N had flown.

The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.

The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.

A total of 1667 P-47Ns was produced by the Farmingdale plant between December 1944 and December 1945, when the Thunderbolt line finally closed down. 149 more P-47Ns were built by the Evansville factory. V-J Day cancellation of 5934 Thunderbolts brought production of the type abruptly to an end.

Performance of the P-47N-5-RE included a maximum speed of 397 mph at 10,000 feet, 448 mph at at 25,000 feet, and 460 mph at 30,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 2770 feet per minute at 5000 feet and 2550 feet per minute at 20,000 feet. Range (clean) was 800 miles at 10,000 feet. Armanent included six or eight 0.50-inch machine guns with 500 rpg and two 1000-lb or three 500-lb bombs or ten 5-inch rockets. Weights were 11,000 pounds empty, 16,300 pounds normal loaded, and 20,700 pounds maximum. Dimension were wingspan 42 feet 7 inches, length 36 feet 4 inches, height 14 feet 7 inches, and wing area 322 square feet.

Serials of the P-47N were:

44-87784/88333 Republic P-47N-1-RE Thunderbolt
44-88334/88883 Republic P-47N-5-RE Thunderbolt
44-88884/89083 Republic P-47N-15-RE Thunderbolt
44-89084/89283 Republic P-47N-20-RE Thunderbolt
44-89284/89450 Republic P-47N-25-RE Thunderbolt
45-49975/50123 Republic P-47N-20-RA Thunderbolt


Good luck with getting the M included.



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MiloMorai
01-26-2004, 03:58 PM
Last ace in a day.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/perdomo/perdomo.htm

Guess what he was flying? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif



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MiloMorai
01-26-2004, 04:00 PM
A P-47 in the Pacific.

http://www.ethell.com/jethell/ww2color/p-47n.htm

There is a 47M in the Yugoslav Air Force Museum. Maybe someone could go take some photos. There is also one in the USA with the CAF iirc.

A 47N on the ramp leShima

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Forrest463FS.JPG

Long live the Horse Clans.

[This message was edited by MiloMorai on Mon January 26 2004 at 03:18 PM.]

VW-IceFire
01-26-2004, 04:34 PM
Well maybe the effort should be directed towards the Pacific Sim then. I think this is the first confirmation that its likely headed in that direction. Which is cool! In that case, the P-47N is vitally important if that expansion/full sim is going to in any way cover the Iwo Jima/Assault on Japan.

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necrobaron
01-26-2004, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Well maybe the effort should be directed towards the Pacific Sim then. I think this is the first confirmation that its likely headed in that direction. Which is cool! In that case, the P-47N is vitally important if that expansion/full sim is going to in any way cover the Iwo Jima/Assault on Japan.

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I agree, Icefire. I believe this is indeed the 1st official word that Luthier's secret project is indeed the Pacific. Eagle,I'm fully behind you on this. Perhaps,you could get in contact with Luthier? If Oleg doesn't want a P-47N,maybe Luthier will. Just a suggestion....

Eagle_361st
01-26-2004, 05:18 PM
I have taken a little break, caught my breath and given this extra thought. What I have decided is that I am going forward with the P-47N model and to hell with his approval. After the 3D model and Cockpit are complete I will submit it too both Oleg and Luthier. I will place it in their hands at that point, and hope that the "N" makes it into the PTO add-on. If it doesn't I gave it a try and that is all I could do. SO now I will need to go out and find as much cockpit reference as I can lay my hands on so we can move forward. Unfortunately the P-47M will have to wait until a sim somewhere down the road, but I will put forth the effort then too.

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BS87
01-26-2004, 05:49 PM
Eagle, i'm not trying to get the Sim to be all LW planes. Infact i think its asinine that the 109Z and Ta152 (dont hurt me Zen) Are beeing added, along with others. There are those that would argue that the USAF and RAF should have no place in this game, beeing it is an eastern front game. I am not one of those people. I am all for Western Front planes. Also, i was not trying to say that the P47 sucked. Far from that. I kow lots of people fly them, i'm one of them. I was merely stating that if the P47N did not gett added, its not like the P47 would become useless. What i was trying to say is, that we should be grateful for what we have, and not always pester oleg for more. He doesnt have to give us anything.

Anyway, good luck with the 47N, if it gets added i'll surely trade in my P47 D22 for it.

Copperhead310th
01-26-2004, 07:47 PM
Well well well! now why am i the only 1 ho over looked this in Olegs reply to Eagle???

Looks like Luthier's secert prodject ain't so sercret no more! yeah ha PTO here we come!
(i knew it all along) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

form the P-47 M/N thread on UBI

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Well I heard back from Oleg.....and this is what he had to say. Need advice on what to do next.


Dea Sean,

We are really too busy. Also N and M never saw as I know any combat and are
not under our request in the past for Luft 46 theme.
Also, Except the more grater speed the N model (sure that also M model) has
no advantage over D. I wil say even in all other aspects of combat it will
be even worse (Its why I think it never used later and in Korea).
Also, the cockpits of N and M as I know had also real differences to D
models, so that is also factor that need to be evaluated.

I will repeat, we are really busy and will be more even busy from the summer
time due to work over two projects at once, that will feature the Pacific
using FB 3D engine and BoB using new 3D engine.

So better to redirect the modellr for pacific needs, becauee this title will
still use the 3D thechnology of modelling 100% similar to FB.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Korolov
01-26-2004, 08:03 PM
This is a picture of a restored P-47D-40RE cockpit:

http://www.flightjournal.com/gallery/gallery_images/P47/p47_5lg.jpg

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg

p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 08:05 PM
thats a MUNT load of dials and stuff

MiloMorai
01-26-2004, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Well well well! now why am i the only 1 ho over looked this in Olegs reply to Eagle???

Looks like Luthier's secert prodject ain't so sercret no more! yeah ha PTO here we come!
(i knew it all along) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Better look a couple of post above yours. You are NOT the first.

VW-IceFire:
"Well maybe the effort should be directed towards the Pacific Sim then. I think this is the first confirmation that its likely headed in that direction. Which is cool! In that case, the P-47N is vitally important if that expansion/full sim is going to in any way cover the Iwo Jima/Assault on Japan."



Long live the Horse Clans.

Kasdeya
01-26-2004, 08:41 PM
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/477723/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/477825/M/
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Bearcat99
01-26-2004, 08:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
I have taken a little break, caught my breath and given this extra thought. What I have decided is that I am going forward with the P-47N model and to hell with his approval. After the 3D model and Cockpit are complete I will submit it too both Oleg and Luthier. I will place it in their hands at that point, and hope that the "N" makes it into the PTO add-on. If it doesn't I gave it a try and that is all I could do. SO now I will need to go out and find as much cockpit reference as I can lay my hands on so we can move forward. Unfortunately the P-47M will have to wait until a sim somewhere down the road, but I will put forth the effort then too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sean I applaud you for your efforts. I think that your stated path of doing the model and just submitting it and letting Oleg decide is the right one, and because it is right, that the P-47N will eventually make it into the sim in spite of what Oleg said in his email. Who knows, having a finished model with cockpit to work with idf different from having someone wanting a project done or talking about it. This is not like the FW cockpit issue. It is totally different. Get the model done and submit it. The fact that the PTO is coming leads me to think that the possibility of getting it in FB is still good.
Some people think this is an eastern front sim. It isnt. IL2 is the eastern front sim...FB is a WW2 combat sim. The fact that it is moving westward and eastward says it all. Keep the faith.

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MachineII
01-26-2004, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We are really too busy. Also N and M never saw as I know any combat and are
not under our request in the past for Luft 46 theme.
Also, Except the more grater speed the N model (sure that also M model) has
no advantage over D. I wil say even in all other aspects of combat it will
be even worse (Its why I think it never used later and in Korea).
Also, the cockpits of N and M as I know had also real differences to D
models, so that is also factor that need to be evaluated.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm actually more than a bit speechless by this reply. It's so utterly wrong in so many ways (factually) that I am would LOVE to see some sources. 56th FG was flying sorties over the ETO in P-47M's in March of 1945. The cockpit is well documented...it's the same as a late model D...the only difference being a slotted floor (or was it solid)? And as for "worse" performance all the data I have from NACA, AHT, and BODIE (he wrote a book called THUNDERBOLT! BTW) suggests that that charactization has NO basis in reality. It retained the original peformance of the P-47D but was MUCH faster...faster than P-51's at altitude BTW.

This isn't the first time Oleg has posted something 180 from reality on the P-47 so it isn't surprising. It's just wrong.

Funny how the Go229, a plane NO WHERE near production, gets his approval but not the P-47M which was an ACTUAL combat aircraft that SAW combat in the ETO gets snubbed.

Translating AHT into Russian may be a *****, but it's better than fiction.

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tagert
01-26-2004, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
I'm actually more than a bit speechless by this reply. It's so utterly wrong in so many ways (factually) that I am would LOVE to see some sources. 56th FG was flying sorties over the ETO in P-47M's in March of 1945. The cockpit is well documented...it's the same as a late model D...the only difference being a slotted floor (or was it solid)? And as for "worse" performance all the data I have from NACA, AHT, and BODIE (he wrote a book called THUNDERBOLT! BTW) suggests that that charactization has NO basis in reality. It retained the original peformance of the P-47D but was MUCH faster...faster than P-51's at altitude BTW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I too am very sad that the P47M wont make it in.. They produced like 550+ of them.. They saw service.. They would fit very well into this whole 46 theam.. I dont know.. Just sad really.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
This isn't the first time Oleg has posted something 180 from reality on the P-47 so it isn't surprising. It's just wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think he just values his data over NACA data.. Why.. Dont know.. Would have to ask Oleg why

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
Funny how the Go229, a plane NO WHERE near production, gets his approval but not the P-47M which was an ACTUAL combat aircraft that SAW combat in the ETO gets snubbed. Translating AHT into Russian may be a *****, but it's better than fiction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, to be fair.. it is most likly not due to some conspericy.. purly economic!! There is only so much they can do in x amount of time.. But, it seems like it would have been so easy to do... Espically when you consider what a great job they did of including every 109 that ever flew.. and some that didnt... I just can not understand how the P47M got overlooked.

TAGERT

MachineII
01-26-2004, 10:56 PM
Well...I think the production numbers were like 130 (AHT) but yes...I agree. My point about the Go229 is not conspiratorial...but Oleg has removed the "never saw combat" argument as an excuse not to include an airplane.

Let me make the point more better. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


No combat? My a$$.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Lt. Russell S Kyler. Huntingdon, PA. 61st Fighter Squadron. P-47M 44-21116 HV-J "Lorene" Lt. Kyler and S/Sgt. McGehee check out the repair job on two 20mm cannon shell holes. The shells took out two cylinders of the Pratt and Whitney R-2800 whilst Lt. Kyler was straffing an airfield near Muritz Lake, Germany on 10 April 1945. It says much for the ruggednes of airframe and engine that the a/c made it back to Boxted. This cowling panel with the painting was removed from his earlier P-47D HV-V to be fitted onto this "M" model. The original photo of Lorene from which the noseart was worked is beneath the main photo on the link.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BlitzPig_DDT
01-26-2004, 10:57 PM
Still defending Oleg and getting things wrong Tagert? Some things never change. :|

K's flew. And "every 109"? Where are the C's and D's, just for starters? Or the G-10/AS and G-14/AS? I could break out the books and list several dozeon really.

Fact is, Oleg is so ridiculously wrong on this one that it calls into question *everything* he says about *anything* regarding performance and FM.

Thank god the BPs hooked me on LOMAC. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 11:04 PM
yeah, if its done the community can give oleg a really good grilling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
01-26-2004, 11:09 PM
the 109 C and D are pretty different to the E and later.
i have a thread in orr about plane varients, please add your 109's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
01-26-2004, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:

Fact is, Oleg is so ridiculously wrong on this one that it calls into question *everything* he says about *anything* regarding performance and FM.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed DDT. It would be one thing to say that there was no time to model the P47M/N, and leave it at that, but to completely deny thehistorial documentation is beyond the pale.

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tagert
01-26-2004, 11:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Still defending Oleg<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Defending? No, just applying a little common sense.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
and getting things wrong Tagert? Some things never change. :|<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, I still think your mom makes a great apple pie!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
K's flew.[/QUOE]Never said they didnt.. Hey, how bout the Z? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
And "every 109"? Where are the C's and D's, just for starters? Or the G-10/AS and G-14/AS? I could break out the books and list several dozeon really.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But can you find someone to read them to you?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Fact is, Oleg is so ridiculously wrong on this one that it calls into question *everything* he says about *anything* regarding performance and FM.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! Yup, some things never change!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Thank god the BPs hooked me on LOMAC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yes thanks god!

TAGERT

tagert
01-26-2004, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
Well...I think the production numbers were like 130 (AHT) but yes...I agree.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Whoops, you are correct sir! I stand corrected!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Mighty Eighth pg 192:
All 130 P-47Ms built were at one time or another in service with the 56th Group, but some not until the immediate post-war days<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
My point about the Go229 is not conspiratorial...but Oleg has removed the "never saw combat" argument as an excuse not to include an airplane.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, ok!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
Let me make the point more better. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
No combat? My a$$.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! Agreed 100%

TAGERT

Cajun76
01-27-2004, 02:55 AM
Sorry I'm late, I didn't realize the thread had progressed so far. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Everyone who is interested should check out this site (http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic.html). It's 8 chapters of P-47 development and specs. Chapter 7 deals with the M, mostly and 8 mostly deals with the P-47N development.

It specifically addresses some myths about the developement of the P-47, as well as reasons for design direction. For instance, the P-47M was not designed to shoot down "buzz bombs" It was an 'in house' prototype based on what was learned from the XP-47J and it flew more than a year before the first "Doodle Bugs" were launched. Production P-47Ms used the P-47D-30-RE as the basic airframe.

Hopefully Oleg will see that the P-47N was a significant model of the series, and had an impact during the war. One of the most important aspects, is that the N outperformed the D series in every way. From the above site:


The XP-47N took to the air for the first time on July 22, 1944. Test comparisions were made with a P-47D-30-RE throughout the early potion of the evaluation period. Much to everyone's surprise, the XP-47N, with it's greater wingspan and higher weight actually proved to have better roll performance that the D model. At 250 mph TAS, the N attained a maximum roll rate just over 100 degrees/second. The P-47D-30-RE could manage but 85 degrees/second at the same speed. At higher speeds, the N widened the gap further. In mock combat with a P-47D-30-RE, the new fighter proved to be notably superior in every category of performance. In short, the XP-47 waxed the venerable D model regardless of who was piloting the older fighter. The new wing was part of this newfound dogfighting ability, however, the more powerful C series engine played a role too. The additional horsepower allowed the N to retain its energy better than the older Thunderbolt. Perhaps the greatest performance increase was in maximum speed. Though not as fast as the stunning P-47M (470-488mph), the heavier N was fully 40mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30mph greater than it's principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft., the N could not be caught by any fighter** in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of it's M model sibling. This combination of wing and engine had pushed the N model up to the top rank of the superlative prop driven fighters then in existence.

** Prop fighters


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Diablo_310th
01-27-2004, 06:29 AM
Eagle....I ~S~ your efforts. I am in agreement we won't see the M model. I truly believe that. However I do believe that withe the upcoming Pacific Theater we have a good chance of getting the N model. I applaude urself and Skychimp's work in trying to show Oleg his errors and in attempting to get the Jug fixed and added. If anyone is in the Eglin AFB area there is an N model on display in the museum there. I wonder if a petition presented to Oleg with the names of everyone interested in getting the N model included in the next addon would have any effect? Just a thought.

ShVAK
01-27-2004, 09:14 AM
As the game stands now, the D10 serves me well enough already. But if this game is soon to throw in a Ta152 and a late-war jet, why not a late model P-47?

Good luck.

p1ngu666
03-27-2004, 04:27 PM
bump from the dead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
modeler pestering me for more info...
so post it here or on netwings.. http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/735.html#10
or get in touch with me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
dont worry the modeler will complete the p47n, or he will be transfered to a new devision
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also hear there looking for ppl in there transport dept

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RedDeth
03-27-2004, 06:51 PM
this game needs the P-47M . it was the fastest fighter to see combat in europe!!! if someone models it then i believe oleg will add it. and guess what? that plane will dominate the sim more than any other plane. this is why i believe oleg doesnt want to model it.

it would actually unbalance the game to the point that everyone would need to fly it to be competitive. even more so than the K4. THE truth hurts but i believe thats the real reason we dont see this plane flying now in F.B.

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p1ngu666
03-27-2004, 06:58 PM
ki84c ?:\
m wouldnt be able to turn, so wouldnt be that bad
n will roll faster and be better in a dive anyways

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WWMaxGunz
03-27-2004, 07:03 PM
Faster than 262 and 163?

Oh, fastest prop fighter? This would be up very high? Yes, I think performance ranges are very important!

I also just for me will wait on other claims. Nothing personal.


Neal

RedDeth
03-27-2004, 08:43 PM
P-47M was 40 mph faster than the P-47D27 at all altitudes. i believe that will help a TAD.combine this with less spread on the 50 cals and itll be the monster airplane

and we need not mention that were talking about prop planes after five pages lol

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chris455
03-27-2004, 08:48 PM
P-47M = "Jurassic Jug".

2800hp @ WEP, 473MPH @ 32,000ft.

If I get my hands on that baby stay the Hell outta my way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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p1ngu666
03-27-2004, 09:05 PM
i had a idea of long nose jug... take one of the radials of the b29, stick on jug, after tuning it more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif
u could be looking at 4000hp http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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chris455
03-27-2004, 09:16 PM
Field reps from Republic Aviation knew how to perform modifications to the M to yield 3000+
HP from the R2800-57 powerplant.

All quite unauthorized of course. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The ship was also fitted with the new CE C642S-B40 propeller.

Makes one wonder about how easy the 56th FG ran down those 262's towards the very end of the war though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif
S!

Entire 56th FG was equipped with M's by the end of the war, not sure where Oleg gets his info from.

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[This message was edited by chris455 on Sat March 27 2004 at 08:26 PM.]

p1ngu666
03-27-2004, 09:31 PM
amusing thought, 262 pilot trying to get away from p47M, diving thru b17 boxes etc http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif
&lt;p47pilot&gt;hmm, 100% is not enuff, 110%, with added water http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif, still not enuff :|
*slams throttle to exmergancy hax power* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

and the 262 gets bbq'ed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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johann63
03-27-2004, 11:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Well I heard back from Oleg.....and this is what he had to say. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Need advice on what to do next.
Dea Sean,

We are really too busy. Also N and M never saw as I know any combat and are
not under our request in the past for Luft 46 theme.
Also, Except the more grater speed the N model (sure that also M model) has
no advantage over D. I wil say even in all other aspects of combat it will
be even worse (Its why I think it never used later and in Korea).
Also, the cockpits of N and M as I know had also real differences to D
models, so that is also factor that need to be evaluated.

I will repeat, we are really busy and will be more even busy from the summer
time due to work over two projects at once, that will feature the Pacific
using FB 3D engine and BoB using new 3D engine.

So better to redirect the modellr for pacific needs, becauee this title will
still use the 3D thechnology of modelling 100% similar to FB.

To be sure, I am not ready to totally give up. But I do need advice as to what to do next.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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Thanks for the comment from Oleg. Its great to hear he is working on a Pacific and I dont want to delay that effort, but I agree with allot of other comments in here. His facts are off on the 47M/N, but hes human like the rest of us.

Yes they flew in compat oh and yes they would have use them in Korea if they were not as expensive to produce at the F-51 and had the same fuel range/cost benefit. Actaully several F-51 pilots were quoted in Korea of wishing they had there on P-47 to fly, would have stood up better for ground sorties.


That all being said I WISH OLEG WOULD JUST WORK ON THE CURRENT STATE OF THE FM FOR THE P-47 AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT LOOK AT THE .50 CAL DM.

There is an American saying Oleg "BORKED"


Good luck with your Pacific work though

thanks

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