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MK2aw
09-17-2004, 10:01 PM
Double post but it is it's own thread now :-)

Just saw the movie, quick summary:

Great special effects.
Thin Plot.

In either case the P-40 was real cool and the lead charcater Joseph is a former "American Volunteer" in China during the war.


Mk2aw

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MK2aw
09-17-2004, 10:01 PM
Double post but it is it's own thread now :-)

Just saw the movie, quick summary:

Great special effects.
Thin Plot.

In either case the P-40 was real cool and the lead charcater Joseph is a former "American Volunteer" in China during the war.


Mk2aw

[This message was edited by MK2aw on Sat September 18 2004 at 09:27 AM.]

[This message was edited by MK2aw on Sat September 18 2004 at 09:28 AM.]

Heavy_Weather
09-18-2004, 06:31 AM
that movie reminds me of Crimson Skies, it was kinda silly IMO.

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Chuck_Older
09-18-2004, 06:37 AM
It's a fantasy. I like the movie Yellow Submarine, but it never really happened, and it's ok that it never happened.

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TD_Klondike
09-18-2004, 10:23 AM
It's a fantasy. I knew that going in, and that's what I wanted to see. My capacity for suspension of disbelief was at its peak.

But it still sucked. The gags fell flat on their face, the movie crawled along at a snail's pace, and it was so full of holes that you just had to roll your eyes at it (remember when they had to have their clothes destroyed, and magically got the same ones back again? With a ripped slit and everything).

They tried some creative things with the effects, like that soft glow around everything. It did add a little bit to the whole dreamy fantasy effect, but in my opinion, you reached a point where it lost all point.

A P-40 flies across the pacific and into Asia, with a ruptured fuel tank. Dives underwater at what had to have been at least 6-700 miles per hour.

The characters were shallow; "We have to save these animals!" No you don't. Worry about yourself first.

P.S. I made a very strong effort to bring up some of my pet peaves without giving away any spoilers for the storyline. I don't think I've said any more than the previews did. And that's not easy for me, 'cause there's a lot of things about the movie I'd like to rant about.

AlexDavies
09-18-2004, 10:29 AM
sounds rubbish. i'm not goning to see it just cos theres someone waving an airfix p-40 over a bath.

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capt_frank
09-18-2004, 12:33 PM
i agree it was so full of holes that it was air conditioned...but i enjoyed it for what it was intended to be...and that is to entertain. it reminded me of the movie serials i saw when i was a kid. i would never expect the purists to like it, but it'll sure go over with the young at heart.

plus, the popcorn and coke was really good! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
09-18-2004, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_frank:
plus, the popcorn and coke was really good! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! I plan to see it soon. maybe tomorrow. I'll take your word for it on the popcorn and coke and buy some of my own!

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RedDeth
09-18-2004, 02:13 PM
its a movie made just for fun. its designed in the style of the 30s 40s pulp magazines. thats why it looks the way it does. if your not over 40 you wont have any idea whats going on.


think flash gordan and youll be getting closer. the movie was made that way DELIBERATELY.

its purely for fun and entertainment and has no basis in reality.

imagine a movie maker in the late thirties before ww2 making a movie about the future. THATs what they tried to achieve and i think they succeeded based on the preview reels ive seen.

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HH_Hitcher
09-18-2004, 03:17 PM
Exactly! It was made to be cheesy on purpose. Lighten up and have some fun! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

AlexDavies
09-18-2004, 03:22 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifness has it' limits. this is too far.

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Hawgdog
09-18-2004, 04:34 PM
I guessed it was pulpish.
I'm seeing it sunday instead of going to church.

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-HH- Beebop
09-18-2004, 04:39 PM
Just saw it with my kids. They loved it even though they didn't get many of the references to eariler flicks/serials etc. My son liked the ray gun, the dinos and the jet backpack.

Plot? You must be kidding?

Acting? For the most part you'll see better at your local high school production.

Special effects? Considering what Hollywood is able to do it's every bit as cheesy as the special effects were in the late 40's-early 50's serials.

There are tons of references to other sci-fi stuff. My favorite, right after the initial NYC attack they show a japanese newspaper and in the photo, way in the back, in shadow, is Godzilla. Gotta love it.

Fun Factor. It would have been higher with a better written/acted script but I'd give it a 6 out of 10.

Should you pay good money to see it now? IMO go to the early matinee if you must see it or want to take the kids. (They will love it). Otherwise wait for it to hit a cheap local theatre or Blockbuster.

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biggs222
09-18-2004, 07:32 PM
save all ur film bashing for when "The Few" comes out...

Tom Cruise, plays a US pilot in the BoB, but the pilot in real life never made a single kill and died in a crash landing...but somehow Tom will manage to turn this guy into a luftwaffe killing machine.

ah hollywood, the destroyer of historical facts.

RedNeckerson
09-18-2004, 07:57 PM
Where's that link to the "stupid movie physics" site.

I think they used the CFS-1 engine for this movie.

Eagle_361st
09-18-2004, 07:59 PM
So did the P-51 win the war like in real life?

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BinaryFalcon
09-18-2004, 08:41 PM
I saw it last night and enjoyed it.

Definitely a "check your brain at the door" movie, but I was expecting a live action 1930's comic book on the big screen and that's exactly what I got.

It doesn't attempt to justify or explain the science or physics of the world it's in, it just does what it does and I'm fine with that. It's not meant to be taken seriously or as something even remotely accurate.

In my mind, that makes it worlds better than most other action flicks that have one bullet causing an explosive decompression in a plane that sucks everyone out over the next 12 minutes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The closest thing I can think to really compare it to was The Rocketeer, which I thought was a bit better than Sky Captain. SC was fairly short on plot and was ultimately pretty predictable, but it was still an enjoyable movie. I'd say it's worth seeing, just don't expect high cinema. If nothing else it's worth seeing just for the artistic value, as they obviously put a lot of work into making it look and feel like something out of the 30s and pulled it off almost perfectly.

Either way, in the past I've certainly paid a lot more for movies I've enjoyed a lot less, so I've no real complaints about Sky Captain.

El_Shafto
09-18-2004, 08:46 PM
The Rocketeer was a great movie

Fritzofn
09-18-2004, 08:49 PM
LOL Eagle, no Axis lost the war cause they wasted resources, Japan on Musashi and Yamato, Germany on the Dora gun (it had a 1000 man security crew) and the Adolf gun's in Norway, and not to mention Luftwaffe's complete waste of making strange prototype planes (www.luft46.com (http://www.luft46.com))
Allies only won cause they lay all their trust into 2 tested designes, the M4, and T34, had the Axis layed all designe to the STUG 4, Panther or Panther 2, the allies would be in LOADS of more trouble then they where.then it would be HELL of a more then 7 out of 10 allied tanks killed

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horseback
09-19-2004, 12:36 AM
My eleven year old loved it. I winced a few times, but the movie was definitely true to its genre--right down to its hokieness.

Not up to the level of The Rocketeer, but a young Jennifer Connolly makes up for any number of flaws.

cheers

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Pentallion
09-19-2004, 01:32 AM
Wasn't sure what to think when I saw the trailer. I had just watched Max, the movie about how Hitler nearly became an artist instead of leader of the Nazis. His claim to fame was that his art was centered around futuristic buildings, militaristic symbolism and I don't know how to describe it really but the pictures they showed him painting were not only the kind of stuff he tried to create for real when he became dictator, it was a LOT like the kind of futuristic style of the buildings and the uniforms and such that was in the trailer for the movie.
It was Hitlers style of art and I found that made me feel a little bit uneasy. Even the uniforms.

ElektroFredrik
09-19-2004, 03:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
Where's that link to the "stupid movie physics" site.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here it is
http://www.intuitor.com/moviephysics/
very enjoyable site http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif just hope they understand
Sky Captain goes by comic book physics and don't
bash it too much if they review it.

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Holycannoli
09-19-2004, 06:53 AM
This movie makes absolutely no sense according to the commercials I've seen.

Wemic
09-19-2004, 10:49 AM
I liked it. It sort of had a 1930s, alternate history, pulp comic, Metropolis feel to it.

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jamesdietz
09-20-2004, 09:20 AM
Speaking from the " Art side of the sim community- I give it a big thumbs up in the style catagory ( thats 4 stars) It hit on nearly every "future " designer , film maker & ilustrator/cartoonist of the mid-late 1930s & did it beautifully scene after scene.Its plot & dialog was strictly comic book & weak ( no "Indiana Jones" here, for that matter no "Spy Kids"either) but I believe they did what they set out to do-so it wasn't flawed if you take that into account. I believe that a book on the making of the film ( if there is one to be had) might be a stronger more lasting atatement to the guys who imagined all of the things in the movie & did their home work onthe original designers of the period.

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John_Stag
09-20-2004, 09:30 AM
Ah yes, Rocketeer, a vastly underrated movie, and worth watching if only for Jennifer Connely.

I think I'll go se SC when it gets over here.

May even get Crimson Skies out of the bargain bin... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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'B' Flight Leader: Followed the railway line to Verdun, then the road to base. How about you?

'A': I used the river. What about you Johnny (Sergeant Pilot Johnny Winn), you were first on the ground?

Johnny: Me? I flew a course on the compass. What the F*ck do you think it's there for?"

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John_Stag
09-20-2004, 09:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pentallion:
Wasn't sure what to think when I saw the trailer. I had just watched Max, the movie about how Hitler nearly became an artist instead of leader of the Nazis. His claim to fame was that his art was centered around futuristic buildings, militaristic symbolism and I don't know how to describe it really but the pictures they showed him painting were not only the kind of stuff he tried to create for real when he became dictator, it was a LOT like the kind of futuristic style of the buildings and the uniforms and such that was in the trailer for the movie.
It was Hitlers style of art and I found that made me feel a little bit uneasy. Even the uniforms.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check other artwork from the period mate. Don't give Hitler any credit for originality except in how much he could degrade humanity.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>'A' Flight Leader: How did you get back?

'B' Flight Leader: Followed the railway line to Verdun, then the road to base. How about you?

'A': I used the river. What about you Johnny (Sergeant Pilot Johnny Winn), you were first on the ground?

Johnny: Me? I flew a course on the compass. What the F*ck do you think it's there for?"

The History of 73 Squadron, Part 1, Don Minterne<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BSS_Goat
09-20-2004, 09:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
I'm seeing it sunday instead of going to church.
_When you get to Hell, tell 'em HawgDog sent you! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL So Hawgdog who's going to Hell here! LOL

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Obi_Kwiet
09-20-2004, 10:10 AM
Actaully the T-34/76 (main production T-34) and the Sherman stank. The M-4 was only ment as an infantery support tank. It it didn't do well agaist Panthers. Later in the war the Russians had awesome tanks, but the Germans kept making bigger more unreliable tanks. Still the 5000 Panhters they made sure were way better than the M-4. Good thing our Air Force rocked. The US didn't really have that good tanks until recently with the M-1.

Hawgdog
09-21-2004, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
I'm seeing it sunday instead of going to church.
_When you get to Hell, tell 'em HawgDog sent you! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL So Hawgdog who's going to Hell here! LOL

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WWSensei
09-21-2004, 09:32 AM
Saw it with my 15 year old son. We laughed and enjoyed the "comic book/pulp fiction" atmosphere of it. Pure fantasy and never pretended to be anything else. Yes, I would recommend it as entertainment.

If you are looking for hard core reality then don't bother seeing it or at least leave the your shoulder chip at the door along with the high horse...

El Turo
09-21-2004, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWSensei:
Saw it with my 15 year old son. We laughed and enjoyed the "comic book/pulp fiction" atmosphere of it. Pure fantasy and never pretended to be anything else. Yes, I would recommend it as entertainment.

If you are looking for hard core reality then don't bother seeing it or at least leave the your shoulder chip at the door along with the high horse...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LEBillfish
09-24-2004, 08:38 AM
hehe.....Am dying to see it once my husband gets the reels..The ads reminded me of the old sci-fi where they land on mars and have revolvers as weapons.

Looks fun.....

Ralph_Phillips
09-25-2004, 07:46 AM
I got big kick out of it, too. It is meant to be a retro syled fantasy, and I think they nailed it. It's a very accurate mimicry of a 30's style art deco period film that's loaded with references to lots of great sci-fi flicks from "Metropolis" to "Empire Strikes Back."

Yes, there's one line that's quote from "Empire." All in all, I thought it was great fun with a submersible P-40, ray guns and giant robots.

Here's a link to some Sky Captain-inspired Il-2 screen shots I made flying a P-40 skinned as though it were part of Sky Captain's Legion.

http://homepage.mac.com/atomic/PhotoAlbum39.html

Heavy_Weather
09-25-2004, 10:21 AM
i think it was a true story right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Resident_Jock
09-25-2004, 02:07 PM
I liked it alot. You guys sure scrutinize the effects though. I thought they were good. Did you guys forget that the entire movie was done with actors on a blue screen? The backdrops looked remarkably realistic and at the same time they were fancifully hokey. The whole movie reeked of pulp sci-fi cheese, but that's why it kicked so much ***. Those coming in expecting such essentials as plot or realism came in with the wrong idea entirely http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Resident_Jock
09-25-2004, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ralph_Phillips:
I got big kick out of it, too. It is meant to be a retro syled fantasy, and I think they nailed it. It's a very accurate mimicry of a 30's style art deco period film that's loaded with references to lots of great sci-fi flicks from "Metropolis" to "Empire Strikes Back."

Yes, there's one line that's quote from "Empire." All in all, I thought it was great fun with a submersible P-40, ray guns and giant robots.

Here's a link to some Sky Captain-inspired Il-2 screen shots I made flying a P-40 skinned as though it were part of Sky Captain's Legion.

http://homepage.mac.com/atomic/PhotoAlbum39.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Cool skin, but the serial number should be h11od
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AlexDavies
09-25-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
i think it was a true story right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yeah i think so.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Ralph_Phillips
09-26-2004, 10:39 AM
No. no. no. Resient_Jock.

h-770-d is Sky Captain's plane.

The pic is of a skin if MY plane were part of his legion. I fly under the handle "Ralph_Phillips" but my real name is Neil.

Look at the number again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif