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Crisoliv
05-29-2004, 09:00 PM
Why have not Italians Battleships, Battlecruisers and cruisers in the game???

Crisoliv
05-29-2004, 09:00 PM
Why have not Italians Battleships, Battlecruisers and cruisers in the game???

Beltza-U110
05-30-2004, 02:21 AM
Is a good idea. The war in the Mediterranean is always the forgotten war. And it is a pity because is an scenario full of possibilities.

Cheers

jagtigermk2
05-30-2004, 06:53 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but what is the point, the Italian fleet never left the harbour. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

Profy_le_Troll
05-30-2004, 09:30 AM
Matapan Cape battle you don't remember ?

Better not for italian...

28-29 march 1941

Italian ships :

BB: Vittorio Veneto
CA: pola, fiume, trieste, trento,Zara CL :garibaldi, abruzzi, Bolzano
DD : 4

UK ships:

BB: Warspite, Barham, Valiant
CV: Formidable
CA&CL : Ajax, Orion, gloucester, perth
DD: 13


Result :

Air attack : on Vittorio from Fromidable 1 torpedo hit, Vittorio back to Tarente.

Air attack on Pola from formidable, one hit forcing him to stop.

Night fight at very short distance 4km between UK battleships and italian cruisers pola, fiume and zara. last two were assisting the pola. The three CA were sunk

All other italian ship retreated to brindisi and Tarente.

A great victory for only 2 min of night action. Primary target (bb vittorio) escaped but the major point was that after the matapan cape incident no more italian ship went to sea for fight

Beltza-U110
05-31-2004, 02:52 AM
The goal of the historic simulation is to rewrite the history. The Italian navy was ineffective, but it was a powerfull navy. It could have great battles in the Mediterranean.

Cheers

bertgang
06-01-2004, 05:41 AM
Being one of the few, maybe the only, italian here, I can't disagree with a simulation where italian fleet is involved; in this case, I'll be pleased to see a "what if" surface warfare simulator, not the show of poor results of our surface fleet.
Anyway, I believe that any sort of battles involving capital ships (german and british included) is a bit off topic in a simulation focused on german submarines; they sunk some battleship, cruiser or carrier, but the main duty was another, as you know.
Speaking of a subsim, the only italian ships I really want to see are submarines; mainly our Betasom flotilla (about 30 boats deployed in atlantic, after passed Gibraltar) with a decent total score near 600.000 tons in 3 years.
Less actractive italian sub in Mediterranean, except as carriers of "Maiali" (nickname for slow torpedoes, used as underwater scooters for sabotages in enemy harbours).
Betasom is really easy to do, I suppose; same enemy and same battlefield, just some italian unit to add to u-boats.

Torpedowake
06-01-2004, 07:48 AM
all nice toughts.. I would love to sea :-) it.
However it's not a navy game but a sub sim.

Let's hope Silent Hunter III w/h good tools for mod addons. Then the sky w/b the limit.
Ever wondered what if the German forces combined with Vichy- Italian- and Japanese Navy would/could do together? Of course someone should have the time to make it..

Another title;
Midway from Mithis maybe bring us Global Naval Battles '40-'45.
(Hmmm nice title..) But I dont think so. Reminds me of Greatest Naval Battles series..

Willey
06-08-2004, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bertgang:
Betasom is really easy to do, I suppose; same enemy and same battlefield, just some italian unit to add to u-boats.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy?? Man you've to get past the hell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I wonder how they did that with all the streaming in gibraltar. I remember I couldn't get out of the med in Aces because the streaming pushed me right back into the med. I really hope SH3 will represent this, too. SH2 lacked it completely. Of course, there are possibilities close to the coastline or at a certain depth to slip through; I don't know it exactly.

Saetta
06-08-2004, 09:01 AM
AFAIK, Betasom submarines didnt have to pass Gibraltar every time. They probably shared French atlantic bases with Germans.

Bertgang, you are not the only eyetie around here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TASKFORCE1x1
06-10-2004, 12:51 AM
I'd like to see all those ships back in action. Bring them on! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bertgang
06-10-2004, 05:00 AM
to Willey

Sure, Gibraltar was a nightmare, but what I mean is different.
What is easy to do, for Dev team, is adding some italian submarine to german ones.
The way to reach atlantic is a different matter

to Saetta

Yes, Betasom shared a base with germans at Bordeaux; if you start a career or a mission on a submarine available here, you haven't to pass Gibraltar.
But all italian subs of Betasom, except few from Somalia, went from italian harbours, and had to afford the passage at first.

g0ku883
06-13-2004, 04:37 AM
I would remember that italian submarine passed Gibraltar 35 times!!!
And, what's more, Betasom is Bordeaux Base....

jagtigermk2
06-13-2004, 07:36 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Didnt the Italian Subs have a faster reverse than fowards. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif