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CoyoteXStarrk
04-16-2017, 09:50 PM
There are alot of legitimate reasons to leave a match in this game one of them is due to your team being terrible and losing by an immense amount. To the point where the match is no longer fun and no longer has a point.


If you are gonna force us to stay in matches the least you can do is give us the option to end the match early if the majority of the team wants to.


Otherwise you are just gonna get people who just AFK or screw around until the match is over. Which honestly is my plan once this punishment system is in place. I hate wasting time on an inevitable loss.


Just let us call it a day and move on to the next match


EDIT: To be clear I am talking about Dominion only since its the only mode I actually play for fun.

Kaotic_CipherTV
04-16-2017, 10:36 PM
Both Dominion and Skirmish can use this and was one of the features I forgot to add in my suggestions write up. I cant stand being in either of those modes 200 to 800 or something and just being spawn locked or 4v1d for 5-8 minutes.

Eliminations dont last long as is so dont really need the feature.

Specialkha
04-16-2017, 10:43 PM
Nope because I need to get those executions or farm minions, so you will have to suffer till the end.

CoyoteXStarrk
04-16-2017, 10:54 PM
Nope because I need to get those executions or farm minions, so you will have to suffer till the end.

And this attitude right here is why I leave matches and will continue to do so until they implement the punishment.

Specialkha
04-16-2017, 11:02 PM
cool, so i can get bots and finish earlier my contract. Man up dude.

CoyoteXStarrk
04-16-2017, 11:05 PM
cool, so i can get bots and finish earlier my contract. Man up dude.

No thanks.

I'd rather just leave and find a new match. Which is actually quicker than just standing around waiting for the other team to win.


There is no incentive for a player to stay in a match that is either beyond saving or a match that player doesn't want to be in.

CandleInTheDark
04-16-2017, 11:07 PM
Matches can go a long way before they are beyond saving. One dominion, two of us alone got from 500 to 900 and were so damn close, one skirmish I went from being on a team that was breaking, 300 down and a teammate light due to execution to being the last one standing on the winning team.It is people that quit on their teammates that are the real issue with this game.

CoyoteXStarrk
04-16-2017, 11:19 PM
Matches can go a long way before they are beyond saving. One dominion, two of us alone got from 500 to 900 and were so damn close, one skirmish I went from being on a team that was breaking, 300 down and a teammate light due to execution to being the last one standing on the winning team.It is people that quit on their teammates that are the real issue with this game.

Sorry but if the other team is at 800pts consistently holding all 3 points and my team has yet to hit 200 then I am gonna find a new match because clearly my team cannot capture and hold an objective.


I have nothing against a good comeback and I don't leave ANY match I'm behind in. I just do a mental calculation and ask my self a few questions


- How much longer until the match is gonna be over?

- What are the odds of us winning?

- Is a single person carrying our team or are we balanced in terms of scores?


If we are losing, my team is terrible and we have virtually no chance of making a comeback I finally ask myself if leaving and finding a new match would take less time than staying in this one and waiting for the other team to win.

If the answer is yes then I simply find a new lobby.


That doesn't make me a monster. Its makes me someone who doesn't like wasting time.

CandleInTheDark
04-16-2017, 11:20 PM
Potentially chucking seven other people who have spent 12-18 minutes say out of the game. That's real respect there, that thing that you claim is important to you.

CoyoteXStarrk
04-16-2017, 11:26 PM
Potentially chucking seven other people who have spent 12-18 minutes say out of the game. That's real respect there, that thing that you claim is important to you.

It is and I have stated multiple times in multiple threads that I only show that respect to people who show ME that respect.


As for the game crashing if I leave yeah that sucks but that is something that Ubisoft needs to fix. I shouldn't have to stay in a match I don't wanna be in on the off chance I happen to crash the lobby full of strangers I don't know.

I play with respect but that respect only goes so far.

UbiJurassic
04-16-2017, 11:51 PM
I can certainly forward along the suggestion, Coyote! :)

CoyoteXStarrk
04-16-2017, 11:55 PM
I can certainly forward along the suggestion, Coyote! :)

Much appreciated.


It would save ALOT of headache and probably keep some people from leaving in the first place

Capoupacap
04-17-2017, 01:33 AM
It's actually not a bad idea (at all) but I would say I've seen desperate situation turn so often !

kweassa1917
04-17-2017, 01:50 AM
You don't get to enjoy victories if you aren't prepared to suffer through the defeat.

I don't know what they teach kids these days, but back in my day, we were taught whatever game or match or competition you're in, you were obliged to try your best, and show respect towards other athletes both your taem and the opponent. I'm pretty sure none of these "its ok to just dump the match if you're losing" folk really dump any of their matches when they're winning.

So basically, the whole attitude here is

"I only play games I win"


Such. Frickin'. "honorable". people. indeed.


I'd say let's have the "surrender" option, but only when it is strikingly and undisputedly evident that one of the teams has absolutely no chance of winning at all.

- The "points" difference should be VERY high - for example Dominion, something like more than 600~700 points.
- Not only the "points" but other relative stats should be considered, perhaps something like team average K/D ratio. If one side is just literally getting creamed.
- Only 1 vote attempt, if anyone chooses "NO", no more votes during the match.
- Leaver penalty needs to be not stupid joke like "less Steel", but needs to be penalizing enough to make people think twice
- and most important of all, since NETWORK CONNECTION ISN'T EXACTLY RELIABLE IN FH... ' Rejoin option' is needed to remedy accidental drops.

CandleInTheDark
04-17-2017, 01:57 AM
Rejoin option' is needed to remedy accidental drops.[/b]

Occasionally this happens in dominion if you lost connection at the start and went right back in,, you don't even go to character select but yeah a deliberate option would be good.

And I agree with the rest of your post, 100%, that was just the bit I had an answer to. I have seen 300-400 point turn arounds after breaking that wouldn't have happened if one person involved had just given in, myself until it is game over, there is a fight on.

kweassa1917
04-17-2017, 01:57 AM
On second thought, I changed my mind -- no 'surrender' option, please.

Because, knowing what these people who defend and promote distasteful and unsportsmanly conduct are like, I'm 99% certain that if we get a "Surrender" option, these people are going to ruin the game and grief their teammates ON PURPOSE to get everyone to agree to the surrender vote and just call it quits.


idling. AFKing. friendly fire to disrupt attacks, chat spamming, helping the enemy team.... just make the match so insufferably lame that everyone would just agree to surrender and leave, rather than put up with such krap.

What was I thinking. I've seen other games with similar options before, and now I remember just exactly how it was so thoroughly abused by the very people the system was intended to punish in the first place.

kweassa1917
04-17-2017, 02:04 AM
And I agree with the rest of your post, 100%, that was just the bit I had an answer to. I have seen 300-400 point turn arounds after breaking that wouldn't have happened if one person involved had just given in, myself until it is game over, there is a fight on.


Ever notice how people who talk of "honor" in the game, are posting and advocating the most dishonorable, unsportsmanly, and basically "spoiled kid" attitude towards the spirit of competition and respect towards other players?

I'm worrying if its become a trend these days.

How anyone could ever think of "it's OK to just dump games I'm losing" is really beyond me.

I can sneak in a guess that when these types of people play ranked matches, they're probably the same ones who do that cable-pulling/forced disconnect behavior, as well as stuff like score-padding and rigged matches.

CoyoteXStarrk
04-17-2017, 02:08 AM
On second thought, I changed my mind -- no 'surrender' option, please.

Because, knowing what these people who defend and promote distasteful and unsportsmanly conduct are like, I'm 99% certain that if we get a "Surrender" option, these people are going to ruin the game and grief their teammates ON PURPOSE to get everyone to agree to the surrender vote and just call it quits.


idling. AFKing. friendly fire to disrupt attacks, chat spamming, helping the enemy team.... just make the match so insufferably lame that everyone would just agree to surrender and leave, rather than put up with such krap.

What was I thinking. I've seen other games with similar options before, and now I remember just exactly how it was so thoroughly abused by the very people the system was intended to punish in the first place.

You realize that once the punishment system is in place people will do this anyway right?


People like me who hate wasting time on losses will simply want the match to end ASAP and will do whatever it takes to achieve that.


At least with the option people can end the match. Without it the insufferably lame games will go the distance rather than end early.

CandleInTheDark
04-17-2017, 02:13 AM
Ever notice how people who talk of "honor" in the game, are posting and advocating the most dishonorable, unsportsmanly, and basically "spoiled kid" attitude towards the spirit of competition and respect towards other players?

I'm worrying if its become a trend these days.

How anyone could ever think of "it's OK to just dump games I'm losing" is really beyond me.

I can sneak in a guess that when these types of people play ranked matches, they're probably the same ones who do that cable-pulling/forced disconnect behavior, as well as stuff like score-padding and rigged matches.

Pretty much, yeah, I have noticed it in duels also where the people who insist in bowing after 'fight' each round are the quickest to quit the moment the deathblow is scored to save their win/loss. As for people trying to wreck teammates' play when the punishment system goes in I really hope their team report them for griefing since that is pretty much what they are doing.

CoyoteXStarrk
04-17-2017, 02:19 AM
Pretty much, yeah, I have noticed it in duels also where the people who insist in bowing after 'fight' each round are the quickest to quit the moment the deathblow is scored to save their win/loss. As for people trying to wreck teammates' play when the punishment system goes in I really hope their team report them for griefing since that is pretty much what they are doing.

I have given up almost entirely on any notion of "Honor" in Dominion due to the fact that almost NO ONE shows any in that game mode. I will still salute/bow etc when I find someone and its a true 1v1 moment.

Outside of that I have more or less joined the Dark side of For Honor in Dominion. Ganking, cliff kills, 2v1s etc etc are pretty much the ONLY way to get a win in Dominion So I have had to adjust.


However in Duel and Brawl I refuse to play without "Honor". Luckily the majority of players in those modes do actually play with respect so I rarely have any issues.

bmason1000
04-17-2017, 03:16 AM
I don't understand. What's wrong with losing a round? When you play games, you ocassionally lose. Why does that make you want to quit?

kweassa1917
04-17-2017, 03:23 AM
I don't understand. What's wrong with losing a round? When you play games, you ocassionally lose. Why does that make you want to quit?

You and me both, you and me both .