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Haaskalintu
02-26-2004, 12:17 PM
Must be one of the most asked questions on these boards eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well here it goes...
I'm thinking of getting a new proper stick to replace my old precision pro 2 and I ended up on these two choices: Saitek X45 and Thrustmaster Cougar. I know the features that both stick have instead I want to know some owners thoughts, good and bad things of your X45/Cougar stick. What's the best in it?
So please clarify me on this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Haaskalintu
02-26-2004, 12:17 PM
Must be one of the most asked questions on these boards eh? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well here it goes...
I'm thinking of getting a new proper stick to replace my old precision pro 2 and I ended up on these two choices: Saitek X45 and Thrustmaster Cougar. I know the features that both stick have instead I want to know some owners thoughts, good and bad things of your X45/Cougar stick. What's the best in it?
So please clarify me on this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

georgeo76
02-26-2004, 12:28 PM
the only reason to choose the X45 over the Cougar is value. If you've got the money for Cougar, go for it.

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Heavy_Weather
02-26-2004, 12:28 PM
go to www.saitek.com (http://www.saitek.com) get the X45 w/throttle for around 80 bux, cant beat that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Haaskalintu
02-26-2004, 12:42 PM
Here I could get the X45 for 95.9 euros (64 pounds) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

VF-17_Jolly
02-26-2004, 01:26 PM
I have an X-45 good stick well worth it.But if i had the money i would have the couger, no contest if you can afford it get the couger.

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Cyrano
02-26-2004, 01:57 PM
The Cougar IMO is a total waste of money. I know, I made the mistake of buying one. In the long run in order to get a properly working Cougar you must plan on spending in the neighborhood of $500 minimum, not $300 as advertised. When it works, it's great but make no mistake about it, all of them inevitably break down and mods are very expensive. You can get a much better value in an X45 or CH products sticks. In fact one can make a serious argument that there are a few Force feedback sticks that are better for FB then anything else anyway.

Slammin_
02-26-2004, 02:05 PM
I gave my X-45 away. X-45 is a great HOTAS though, so don't take the fact that I gave mine to my brother as any indication of its worthiness. You can be deadly accurate with it, it has a great throttle, nice programmability and was very comfortable to use.

I'd say the exact same about CH gear too but once you are in that price range, it's time to consider a Cougar too. The Cougar is a different beast from anything you've used, unless you have used an F-22/TQS before. The spring tension is very, very high compared to anything else out. Unless you mount it low enough to where your arm weight can naturally assist with getting the thing moving, you will most likely have to change the spring tension (like I did).

You should head over to CougarWorld and see what's happening.

Bearcat99
02-26-2004, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heavy_Weather:
go to http://www.saitek.com get the X45 w/throttle for around 80 bux, cant beat that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"The wise man is often the man who plays dumb."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go here.... ReconditionedX45FOR$39.00 (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) to beat that. I would higly recommend the X45. Its all about value. For what a cougar would cost me I dont even want to THINK about having to pay to get it fixed a year after I bought it. The X45 is the best bang for the buck...IMO. The cougar IS good mind you...but I can only sy that from hearsay.... and Ive heard a lot of not so good stuff about it too.

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Zen--
02-26-2004, 02:25 PM
Cougars have a problem with spiking pots, but replacements are cheap enough I guess. I never had the serious problems that others have had, but what turned me off is simple practicality...can't shoot well enough with it. Spring tension is too high, though my right arm is strong like mountain now.

I love the stick btw, it's absolutely cool but I do much better with a 30 dollar stick than I do with the cougar, as far as sheer performance in game goes.

No way that I'd say the cougar makes you 10 times the pilot than a 30 dollar joystick pilot is, but I will say with conviction that using a cougar is EASILY 10 times as much fun.


Maybe if I got the spring tension reduced I might change my tune, dunno

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Haaskalintu
02-26-2004, 04:23 PM
Ok thanks for yer answers all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I'll sleep over this so we'll see after that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LeChuck59
02-26-2004, 04:33 PM
The reconditioned X45's Bearcat linked to are out of stock and have been for many months. While you are welcome to wait, I decided it was worth the extra $40 and bought one new. I am very happy with it.

Usberet
02-26-2004, 04:44 PM
Personally I own nethier, but the X45 feels too babish and arcadish to me mainly cause it's a very tight fit on my hands.

Sly_MaGill
02-26-2004, 05:15 PM
Cougar is awesome. I have had mine for a little over a year, and it is absoloutly superb, never had a problem with it.

Programming is Daunting at first, but once you get the hang of it, your set.

Go the Cougar if you got the cash, you won't regret it. While you may need new Pots after a while (I never have) You'll have a good Joystick that will lastyou forever.

and remember, Cougar is the Best, Forget the Rest!

Hunter82
02-26-2004, 05:26 PM
Zen for the spiking pots I use a product called PB Blaster. It is like a WD 40 style lube. Works great and is a electrical system designed automotive product so no conductivity.

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Zen--
02-26-2004, 05:29 PM
Interesting Hunter, thanks for the tip. TX-Deck is a mechanical genius and a ways back procured replacement pots for all of us local cougar users, including all the soldering etc. Nice work and they have a billion repetions or something.

What I'm most interested in is a spring mod or replacement, but I'm afraid that I don't have the tools or the know how http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And I'm terrible at following instructions.

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Slammin_
02-26-2004, 05:41 PM
You could order some F-22 springs but you will still have to bend them a little to fit right. I personally didn't care for the F-22 springs in my Cougar because they were a little too light and instead, I bent the original springs to have less preload against the gimbal stops. It takes some patience and trial and error, but there is a nice picture of the desired spring shape over in the hardware section at CW. My Cougar has about the same stiffness as a Saitek X-45 though the feel is different due to the weight of the stick.

There is absolutely nothing like the feel of cold hard steel in your hand while chasing down bogeys!

Taylortony
02-26-2004, 05:59 PM
I'm in the lucky position to own both of them, the Thrustmaster Cougar Hotas with the elite pedals and the X45......................... Go for the X45 Better stick in my humble opinion, software 1000% more user friendly these days.......... As for the cougar software, they say in there thick manual for the thick that it is copied and is a benchmark by others, yep no doubt it was, Microsoft probably used it for Windows 1.0, its as intuitive.... as for the switches etc, yep they spike due to cheapo pots, but can be replaced at more expense, see cougar world.... They both sit besides one another on my desk and I use the Cougar to collect dust...... the X45 i use for gaming http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Zen, cougar world says removing the rubber boot and replacing it with a sock will reduce the tension on the springs, just use a clean one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif see http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/ for more mods and info, but to pay that for a stick then have to throw money at it to get it right is plain stupid................. But go into a shop and try them, people mention the x45 stick needing big hands well i dont find it does and the cougar is even bigger, by about 1cm, i found i have to slide my hand around to use all of the buttons and some of them are stiff at that..

Slammin_
02-26-2004, 07:02 PM
Sort of like me paying a lot for an exotic sports car and then paying to trick it out even more is stupid, but hey, it takes all kinds!

I have two Cougars and the only thing I've ever done to the pots is spray them out once with some good contact cleaner.

As far as programming, you could always use FoxyGUI, whick is the n00b version of Foxy that is all point n shoot and pretty easy to get along with.