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BSS_Goat
02-02-2004, 07:17 AM
anyone seen this ?

http://www.cebudanderson.com/

Two sweet paintings and p51 screensaver (havent tried)

BSS_Goat
02-02-2004, 07:17 AM
anyone seen this ?

http://www.cebudanderson.com/

Two sweet paintings and p51 screensaver (havent tried)

Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 07:20 AM
Edit: A hasty comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


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BSS_Goat
02-02-2004, 07:34 AM
Oh I agree its a bit much but you should know YOU are gonna catch hell for saying anything like that lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 07:37 AM
Probably. I'm gonna burn! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif What to do, delete my post or dodge bullets? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
Edit: some heartfelt stuff<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right. I stand corrected. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I never ment to insult fighting men, Bud Anderson is one of my favourite aviators of all times. (probably because he was Yeager's wingman).

I have absolutely no issues with Stars and Bars. I love Pontiac Trans Am and Ford Mustang. As a kid I dreamt of flying F-15s, I love doughnuts, Coke and hamburgers. I listen to Bruce Springsteen and speak english with american accent. I have absolutely NO issues with the USA. I just don't like when people openly promote wars. No matter who they are. That's all. OK? I am sorry some of you guys find me insulting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2004, 08:09 AM
I'm not an "over-the-top" patriot, but I really don't see anything that warrants the over-the-top comments regarding the judicious use of apparent propaganda at this site

On the contrary, there are some very good links and background info as well as a link to order a very good read..."To Fly and Fight"

My .02c



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BSS_Goat
02-02-2004, 08:21 AM
Thunderbolt have you read the book? If so was it good? I would like a full review - two paragraphs - typed - single space and no cut and paste.

SparrowThree
02-02-2004, 08:36 AM
It's a great book.

My father sat next to Bud Anderson on the flight home from the Reno Air Races. Bud gave him an autographed copy, which he gave to me.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2004, 08:39 AM
Actually, I have an autographed copy (rare/autographed aviation book collection is one of my vices) and it is a very good read.

Over the years, I've found myself migrating away from the more "reference" type books and leaning towards the "memoirs" or pilot account books. This one is a good one.



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DONB3397
02-02-2004, 12:05 PM
Rhett66, I hadn't seen this site, though I've visited several the links before. Nice artwork. Anderson grew up in our general neighborhood, and still has a home nearby.

The first half of his book has some of the best WWII air combat descriptions I've ever read.

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BSS_Goat
02-02-2004, 12:41 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DONB3397:

The first half of his book has some of the best WWII air combat descriptions I've ever read.

Good I just ordered it, looking forward to reading it!

BM357_Raven
02-02-2004, 12:53 PM
I AM A PATRIOT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Rajvosa

Nice apology/retraction. And I accept on behalf of myself who is a patriot of all that is good about the USA and who objects to anything that is outside of what I believe America should stand for.

One thing I find is that even moderate and liberal Americans tend to stand up for their country when it is bashed.

It's phenomenon that is similar to a relationship one has with his parents... You can object to them, but when someone else bashes them you tend to take offense and stand up for them.

When I meet someone from another country, I am sensative enough to watch how I put things because I'd hate to insult them or their country.

Probably the single most important reason that I am a patriot of my country is that I was born and raised here. My family and friends are here. This is the basis for my sense of 'belonging.' If I were born somewhere else I would likely have very different feelings for the US and probably a very different outlook on the world, for that matter. I think this would be hard for anyone to argue. We'll see I spose.

Having said this, I do not support war in itself. I dont think anyone should including the top brass in the military. I believe the military should be an institution UNDER the state and meant to serve and preserve the state in as melioristic a way as possible.

But I also believe in a kind of Machiavellian reality (spelled it right?).

I know that the world is very complex and that national interests have so many components to them that it is hard to imagine a world that could possibly be free of war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Perhaps we have a modern society OR perhaps the world is made up of people who are just as base as they were hundreds and thousands of years ago and that it is an irony that we have advanced so far technologically. And that the world has the kind of destructive weapons and even finds ways and reasons to use them.

The same issues arise today as they have in the past. National, religious, geographic, and resource based-conflicts erupt all over the world from mirco-cultures and communities, to intra and inter-national arenas.

I speculate that if a dictitorial government had the kind of resources the United States currently has, the world might be a much more dangerous place.

So I think the intelligent patriotic American might say, "hey, look, it ain't perfect. No government ever will be.. But it's the best we have at the moment and it could be a heck of a lot worse."

And the United States continues to examine and legislate itself. The Supreme Court plays a role in helping to shape and modernize inasmuch as it sometimes holds the reigns and pulls back.

Many Americans might argue with me on some or all of these points. And that is part of what I believe makes America great. I am a big fan of the multi-party system (or two-party system, really) and the flow and exchange of ideals or beliefs. Still I am not to naive to disregard the role that corporatization plays not only in the US, but throughout the world. And many times the corporate world is a major catalyst of conflict.

I look forward to coming to the forums. I like to learn about people's ideas and to know what kind of mind is in the plane on the other side of the internet. I also hope we can sometimes recognize that we are all interconnected through Forgotten Battles. We should strive to enhance our community and recognize that mutual respect is a key factor.

At any rate, I think your post is a fine example of how someone can step forward and say 'ya know, I probably shouldn't have said that in that way and I'm sorry.' Then it's our job to forgive and forget.

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BM357_Raven
02-02-2004, 12:55 PM
Oh yeah, Thundebolt... I have Bud's autographed book as well.. A great read, like you said.

Now, you wouldn't happen to have a very rare and hard to find copy of a P-51 Manual would you?

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Cajun76
02-02-2004, 02:02 PM
I can't really add or take anything, one way or another, I wouldn't want to. I can't. If I may, I'll take the liberty of Raven's post saying "Ditto."

Good hunting,
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LEXX_Luthor
02-02-2004, 02:19 PM
Wow! See the uber cumulus clouds in *both* those paintings? Now that is what a real flight sim should look like, not every mission/day, but at least some times.



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LeadSpitter_
02-02-2004, 05:05 PM
I have seen that site, has alot of great info, guncam and photos.




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chris455
02-02-2004, 09:56 PM
What Raven said.

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tttiger
02-02-2004, 11:13 PM
Anderson and Yeager were are are good friends and squadron mates but they never winged together.

ttt

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Tully__
02-03-2004, 05:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Hey Thunak, ritter or Tully can you permantly ban this user we dont need country bashing here and its against the Forum Guidelines, thx
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm satisfied with the retraction already posted in this thread. The comments were apparetnly not intended to cause the reaction that resulted and the poster will now be more careful about engaging his/her brain before putting the keyboard in gear http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Rajvosa
02-03-2004, 05:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
Anderson and Yeager were are are good friends and squadron mates but they never winged together.

ttt

"I want the one that kills the best with the least amount of risk to me"

-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Are you sure tiger? I do not remember very clearly, but I think that in his autobiography, Yeager describes of flying with Bud on the day of the last major Luftwaffe activity or something. But they never saw any of this action since they were flying over Austrian Alps, shooting at mountains. When they returned to base with empty guns, everybody thought they saw alot of action, when they in fact, missed it all. But, like I said, I don't remember it so clearly, it's been a while since I read Chuck's biography.

And, thank you Tully! I definitely was not engaging my brain when writing some comments. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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