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Col_Tibbetts
04-15-2004, 05:55 PM
Sorry but I just need to rant about this.

It is almost like those on teamspeak are arrogantly having their own private game on the server where they are flying. It is rediclous. Teamwork is essential in air combat. Fighters with poor turning abilities must work in pairs in order to survive. This is the way is was (and still is) in air combat.

Take the Pacific for example. The only way to defeat the Zero with any American plane is to work with a wingman. One on one is impossible unless the Zero pilot is ******ed or has some other mental disability. Now go out there and try to do the "Thatch Weave" alone... I rest my case.

What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother? Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!

I don't have time for a squad and I get huge lag from using Teamspeak. I am sure there are other casual players out there who don't have time to foster buddies online and who only play once or twice a week.

Please answer your team members when they ask where u are or if they call for assistance.

The squadless and voiceless are people too!

Flame away!

Col. Tibbetts

Col_Tibbetts
04-15-2004, 05:55 PM
Sorry but I just need to rant about this.

It is almost like those on teamspeak are arrogantly having their own private game on the server where they are flying. It is rediclous. Teamwork is essential in air combat. Fighters with poor turning abilities must work in pairs in order to survive. This is the way is was (and still is) in air combat.

Take the Pacific for example. The only way to defeat the Zero with any American plane is to work with a wingman. One on one is impossible unless the Zero pilot is ******ed or has some other mental disability. Now go out there and try to do the "Thatch Weave" alone... I rest my case.

What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother? Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!

I don't have time for a squad and I get huge lag from using Teamspeak. I am sure there are other casual players out there who don't have time to foster buddies online and who only play once or twice a week.

Please answer your team members when they ask where u are or if they call for assistance.

The squadless and voiceless are people too!

Flame away!

Col. Tibbetts

T_O_A_D
04-15-2004, 06:02 PM
Not saying we aren't but some of us do it do too our lousy typing skills http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I have buddies who fly on dailup and get away with TS and playing at the same time. NO FPS loss. But their comms may be weak though. Sort of repeats real life comms in the 40's I host a TS server for my bunch and there are times I just turn the codec down to the bottom just so we all have the same quality. If your flying a server with the 131st just ask we will let you in TS

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BaldieJr
04-15-2004, 06:06 PM
Ah, that old issue.

Col, use TS anyways. If someone complains about you warping, key the mike and tell them to STFU.

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WTE_Grendal
04-15-2004, 07:51 PM
Well there is always AI to fly with... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Lunix
04-15-2004, 08:04 PM
Please judge the individuals only. I allways try to help when I can. Sometimes between watching my wingy's 6, where the action is, and scaning the skies I dont allways keep up on the chat log though.

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repoman11
04-15-2004, 08:48 PM
Boy do I know the feeling. With my 28.8 connection, trying to squeeze anything else out of my meager bandwidth is hopeless.
I've accepted that fighting against organized TS users is extremely difficult, bordering on suicidal.

But for your teammates to ignore simple requests adds insult to injury.

Luckily, blatant examples like that are rare.

Fehler
04-15-2004, 09:14 PM
A lot of times I fly in the afternoon (US Central) and most of the guys online dont speak English. Generally though, the mission brief, even for dogfight servers, will give you a good clue where the action is going to be. I am in a squad, but generally fly alone, so I do understand your dilema.

I do hate helping a guy with a bandit on his tail, making the bogie break off, and dogfighting with him, and having the guy I helped, shoot over my shoulder, occassionally hitting me with a stray bullet.

Why is it so hard for people to lay off when another has better energy and can clearly take the shot?

The answer to all the above questions, including the points made by the author of this thread are... people suck. LOL

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-15-2004, 09:50 PM
Personally, I make every effort to chat and help others. Even though I'm usually on TS with some squaddys. My (and OUR) goal is usually to fly scripted servers and win the battle and you're right, It's much easier when many are working together.

My most frustrating issue with those who aren't on coms is when I come in trying to help and they are pulling hard turns and not dragging. All this typically accomplishes is me scrubbing off my "E" and him getting shot to hell just as I have lost all advantage.

But I try.



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crazyivan1970
04-15-2004, 10:31 PM
That`s why when i use to host i provided TS server. Still do in COOPs. I think every host should. But that just me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Col_Tibbetts
04-15-2004, 10:31 PM
You are a true gentleman T-Bolt. We need more like you! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S!

T_O_A_D
04-15-2004, 10:34 PM
What we need is some mega connection TS server for us all. My onnection will host both but I have to limit it to 8 players if I'm hosting TS and the game at the same time.

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F16_Petter
04-15-2004, 10:50 PM
Col_Tibbetts
It looks like you encounterd some ******ed bastards I guess..

What server did you play on? was it Full real? Arcade settings?? Scripted???

Normally we always fly on Teamspeak in our squad, and we really feel it is and advantage + its great fun.
However.. just because we are all on teamspeak, doesnt mean that we dont need to use chat anyway.

Even other players that are on same team, are probably on another voicecomm aswell, but on a different server. The only way to communicate with these ppl are via chat.

Personally I dont like the chat in IL2FB, it is one of the most ******ed ingame chatting system ive ever come across..

However I usually type very simple things in chat like:
BANDITS, C5 HI
TGT IN C4, TANKS
FIGHT IN D2 2000M+

etc etc...
You wont find me typing long exciting conversations in the chat, because it sucks. Still you need to share the tactical situation with your team, thats why I at least use the chat especially when someone is asking such as:

where is the enemy??
where are the targets???
whats going on?
who is your daddy??

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WUAF_Badsight
04-15-2004, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Col_Tibbetts:
Sorry but I just need to rant about this.

It is almost like those on teamspeak are arrogantly having their own private game on the server where they are flying. It is rediclous.
Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



asking people to be nice just cause you want them to be is Laudable ..... but not very successfull

if i fly a inferior plane , i dont cry about it & i dont ever join a server expecting people to show great teamwork

thats un-realistic ...... especially a Dogfight server

id say well over half of the people in a DF server are not there for the teamplay ..... they want to have a Dogfight & have some fun

if you want teamplay then only fly Coops or join a squad

the online Flight sim community isnt some happy happy , joy joy enviroment with everyone & his dog offering help & condolences

its squad warfare & the lonewolves have to fend for themselves

antifreeze
04-16-2004, 01:58 AM
I flew VEF yesterday where 13 of the sixteen slots were taken by two or three squads, leaving three single players not connected by comms.
There was *plenty* of chat going on... silly jokes, retorts and rebuffs between the squads, etc.
Could I get a simple 2-character grid reference from my team? Nope. And when I spotted a couple of contacts and asked my team 'anyone near our base, low?' to try to identify whether they were possibly foe coming to chew my lonesome ***, I got the answer 'my granny'.
Well, with support like that and a probability that I was going to get shot down by these contacts, I just landed and left. No big deal; ten minutes later I was in another mission.

But I think squads sometimes forget that the players who are not on comms are not part of the overall joviality; they're outsiders looking in. And getting chat 'snippets' of the hilarity going on in the comms channel appears, when out of context, unhelpful and arrogant, even if it wasn't meant that way.

In the online wars no-one should really take their comms info for granted. If someone spots contacts or a target or a dogfight, chat the heading or grid reference for those not on your comm channel. If not to make the game more enjoyable for non-comm players, do it so that more players are with you to cover your six.

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LuftLuver
04-16-2004, 02:06 AM
Actually Tibbetts, that's not the worst you will encounter via the DF server chatwindow.

My favorite chat message from a friendly:

GBR_Doofus: help

Give a map coord and alt for goodness sakes.

or the anti-chat window behaviour of those simply watch enemy ac pull up on their team mates and never type a word. It's like they're using you as human bait and don't want you to start evasives.

PF_Talus
04-16-2004, 03:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by antifreeze:
I flew VEF yesterday where 13 of the sixteen slots were taken by two or three squads, leaving three single players not connected by comms.
There was *plenty* of chat going on... silly jokes, retorts and rebuffs between the squads, etc.
Could I get a simple 2-character grid reference from my team? Nope. And when I spotted a couple of contacts and asked my team 'anyone near our base, low?' to try to identify whether they were possibly foe coming to chew my lonesome ***, I got the answer 'my granny'.
Well, with support like that and a probability that I was going to get shot down by these contacts, I just landed and left. No big deal; ten minutes later I was in another mission.

But I think squads sometimes forget that the players who are not on comms are not part of the overall joviality; they're outsiders looking in. And getting chat 'snippets' of the hilarity going on in the comms channel appears, when out of context, unhelpful and arrogant, even if it wasn't meant that way.

In the online wars no-one should really take their comms info for granted. If someone spots contacts or a target or a dogfight, chat the heading or grid reference for those not on your comm channel. If not to make the game more enjoyable for non-comm players, do it so that more players are with you to cover your six.

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I pretty much refuse to fly in VOW if there are a bunch of people from one squad on my side. There are some exceptions, but for the most part they will help their own and that's it. They will also call in AI to help, and that generally screws up the mission objective.


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Diablo310th
04-16-2004, 04:07 AM
Tibbets.....I saw you say that last night. Yes I was on TS at teh time with a squaddie...but.....my typing is very poor and very slow...flying at 400kph with someone on your tail is very hard to type location. I frequently type my location even when on TS. By the way..I was using the Warclouds TS too.....it's an open server.....come join us like several others did. The emmersion is so much better and teamwork alot easier.

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JG51_Arnie
04-16-2004, 04:08 AM
Ofourse it would be very nice of people to tell you where the action is. And people should do that if its possible. But sometimes you're busy dogfighting and a second of typing cannot even be allowed because it would mean losing the fight.

Dont expect too much from people and you will find that there's alot of friendly folk out there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AWL_Spinner
04-16-2004, 04:55 AM
Ok, well just to wade in on the side of squads and TS users, we're not ALL like that, Ok?

We (AWL) often have five or six slots in a VOW or VEF and quite often interact with other individual players. Never had any problems communicating tactical information over chat to those not on TS.

DF might be very different, but then I rarely fly DF so can't really comment. Generally people spend so much time waiting for co-ops and online war missions that it pays to be courteous.

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AFJ_Skyghost
04-16-2004, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Col_Tibbetts:
Sorry but I just need to rant about this.

It is almost like those on teamspeak are arrogantly having their own private game on the server where they are flying. It is rediclous. Teamwork is essential in air combat. Fighters with poor turning abilities must work in pairs in order to survive. This is the way is was (and still is) in air combat.

Take the Pacific for example. The only way to defeat the Zero with any American plane is to work with a wingman. One on one is impossible unless the Zero pilot is ******ed or has some other mental disability. Now go out there and try to do the "Thatch Weave" alone... I rest my case.

What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother? Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!

I don't have time for a squad and I get huge lag from using Teamspeak. I am sure there are other casual players out there who don't have time to foster buddies online and who only play once or twice a week.

Please answer your team members when they ask where u are or if they call for assistance.

The squadless and voiceless are people too!

Flame away!

Col. Tibbetts<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is taken from the AFJ rules:

-- The success of the AFJ relies heavily on the communication between everyone in the squadron ranks both in the sky and on the ground. Roger Wilco, the online voice chat program is mandatory for membership. Without voice communications, we cannot operate effectively as a team.--

We don t loose time typping in combat, that's a non sense.
You should ask the squadron you are flying with if you re allowed to join their voice comms sistem and then wing them, but that s just my opinion

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michapma
04-16-2004, 07:23 AM
I'd be willing to bet that, even if you don't have time for a squadron, if you got to know a squadron that often flies when you fly, maybe visited their forum to say hi, and asked if they wouldn't mind letting you on their comms to fly wing with them a bit, you'd find an open door. If you're a team tactics player I'd bet they'd even welcome it.

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TacticalSkirmsh
04-16-2004, 08:10 AM
Personally I think you are citing the problem on the wrong thing. People don't communicate not because of TeamSpeak (i.e., lazy or snobbish), most just don't care to coordinate their efforts in general. Think about it, when was the last time a teammate gave out his position. It is usually only when they are being shot at, right?

I try to give my coordinates so my teammates know where I'm heading. Seldom do I see anyone coming over to fly formation.

So, is it that odd for folks, especially squads/friends, to converse via TS and fly together? However, agree if someone else expresses an interest to join in this coordinated approach, one ought to foster via chat.

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westcoastphil
04-16-2004, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Col_Tibbetts:

What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother? Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!

Please answer your team members when they ask where u are or if they call for assistance.

The squadless and voiceless are people too!

Flame away!

Col. Tibbetts<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just started using TS this past week and one thing I noticed is that I'm not looking at the chat bar as much. I'm really watching the sky and my leads' area. In fact I caught myself wondering if any comments were made that I may have missed (cries for help, targets, ~S~, etc.), so I pressed shift/tab and scrolled.

So if I missed your cry for help, Salute, etc....I may have been concentrating on communicating with my teammate with essential information for flight op. If I catch something on the chat bar or something is up within our combat area, we most certainly will be there to help.

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LilHorse
04-16-2004, 10:41 AM
Tibbets, you really should concider voice comms. If I can run them on my rig with dial up, I'm sure you can too. And I think that your characterization of those on comms and in squadrons is unfair. We aren't all like that. And I think you should concider joining a squad as well and getting into good coops or online wars or at the least scripted servers with ppl in your squad. I don't spend every free moment practicing with my squad (though I'd probably be a lot better if I did http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) and I get along OK. And it's not an issue with my squad nor is it with some others. I'm sure there are those very dedicated squads that require a lot of your time, but I'm certain you'll find one that's more casual that suits you in terms of style and schedule.

XyZspineZyX
04-16-2004, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Ah, that old issue.

Col, use TS anyways. If someone complains about you warping, key the mike and tell them to STFU.

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TS causing warping ?? Which Codec ?

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Dnmy
04-16-2004, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Col_Tibbetts:
What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother?

Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That kind of response is just arrogance.

But no response can mean someone is busy.
Dogfighting.

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HayateKid
04-16-2004, 12:12 PM
Forget teamspeak. Just tag along with others and you don't even have to speak or type.

After taking off, circle your airfield and wait for others to get in the air, then follow them. If nobody else is taking off, wait. Either on the ground or circling in the air. Somebody's bound to have to refly soon and you don't have to look for enemies, they will come to your base.

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Hammer459
04-16-2004, 12:43 PM
Hey Toad, or anyone else, how do you host a server on TS? I just downloaded the program and I am very interested in using it to chat with my wingman. He and I often hop on Hyperlobby, but also run a campaign for he and I. We used to use Rogerwilco, but that kept crapping his system out. Any help on hosting on Team Speak would be greatly appreciated---Hammer

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ASH at S-MART
04-16-2004, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
If someone complains about you warping, key the mike and tell them to STFU.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL

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SithSpeeder
04-16-2004, 05:09 PM
I understand ranting...sometimes you gotta let off steam. BUT...

Insulting all users of Teamspeak is probably wrong. You'd need to include RogerWilco, Ventrillo, etc. users, too.

Seriously, though. Have you ever tried to do a thach weave with someone while typing them when and how to turn, how close to fly, when to continue doing it, when to break? You cite that as an example of teamwork, but that would be very difficult to execute without voice comms.

There have been many times that I get in a server and type "where R U?" and get little or no response. It usually has nothing to do with a squad...frequently the singles won't even respond. I'll even offer to host voice comms and rarely get a bite. I think this occurs for many reasons, including:
1. Not everyone speaks or understands English (which, sadly, is all that I speak/understand...ok, a little French, too).
2. It's not terribly immersive to be flying along, engines blaring, with my HOTAS (and TrackIR and rudder pedals if you're lucky), and then stop to have to type a message. I don't know about you, but my SA is pretty bad and normally I'm looking around trying not to get bounced--trying to type a coherent message is difficult (but not impossible) to do (obviously, it is essentially impossible once engaged). With voice comm running, this is mitigated significantly.
3. In some busy servers, the chat messages occur with great frequency (for example, server reporting the status or such-and-such killed such-and-so). So unless you have your chat box pretty big (which is distracting, re: SA above), you miss some messages.

It may sound like I am disagreeing with you on the principle of typing communication, but I am heartily agreeing with you on the principle of teammate communication (if typing is all ya got, then you got to use it). Teamwork adds tremendously to the immersion factor.

One trick I have started using is Shoot 1.6. I precanned messages like "Salute!" or "Check 6" or "Please give Place-Bearing-Distance so we can coordinate and support" (or the most used one "S! Good kill" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) so that I just say the keywords (like "COORDINATE") and the corresponding chat message gets automagically displayed. Also, nearly all of the wingman and flight commands for AI are also coded up in Shoot 1.6 as well. This is completely independent of your connection speed.

As far as time goes and joining a squad, don't knock it till ya try it. Lately, I fly on average with my squadmates once a month. There are plenty of squads out there with different voice comm packages, philosophies on participation (for example, you just have to post every two weeks in our squad forums to remain an active member), etc.

For you and antifreeze, simply ask whatever groups/squads if you can join them in their server (if you still aren't interested in being in a squad proper). I do it myself quite often as my schedule is kind of incompatible with my own squad. It may appear as arrogance to only see some of the messages/hilarity going on, but asking to join in is easy to do (yes, I am putting the onus on you). JG51_Arnie has nailed it, methinks. AFJ_SG, and michapma, too.

Now if you just don't have the bandwidth to run ANY comm software (which is part of what you alluded to), then do what HayateKid suggests. I end up doing that frequently as of late. :-|

Hope that helps.

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JG6_Oddball
04-16-2004, 05:38 PM
I wonder if oleg could add an "auto location" button to the game..by tis I mean if you hit the F11 key that a message would pop up saying

jg6 oddball: HELP!..C4 heading east

I dont think that would be cheating or arcadish, because it is hard to type when your on the defencsive.

S!

Gibbage1
04-16-2004, 05:52 PM
Two P-38's attacked a group of 8 Zero's in the Pacific. The two P-38's shot down 5 zero's, 1 probable, and 1 got away in cloud cover. During the encounter, the two P-38 pilots broke up and faught seperate enemy's.

Its not all about teamwork, and no. It was not the "only" way US pilots could kill Zero's. The two P-38's Yo-yo'ed the enemy and decimated them using superior speed, climb and tactics.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Col_Tibbetts:
Sorry but I just need to rant about this.

It is almost like those on teamspeak are arrogantly having their own private game on the server where they are flying. It is rediclous. Teamwork is essential in air combat. Fighters with poor turning abilities must work in pairs in order to survive. This is the way is was (and still is) in air combat.

Take the Pacific for example. The only way to defeat the Zero with any American plane is to work with a wingman. One on one is impossible unless the Zero pilot is ******ed or has some other mental disability. Now go out there and try to do the "Thatch Weave" alone... I rest my case.

What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother? Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance! I was just asking for simple map coordinates!

I don't have time for a squad and I get huge lag from using Teamspeak. I am sure there are other casual players out there who don't have time to foster buddies online and who only play once or twice a week.

Please answer your team members when they ask where u are or if they call for assistance.

The squadless and voiceless are people too!

Flame away!

Col. Tibbetts<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

XyZspineZyX
04-16-2004, 08:40 PM
For those who have TS lag try using Codec [Speex 7.2], set the bandwidth to [15] and use [Push to talk].
Most lag I find comes from [Skin Download] being [on], also, it drives the ping up.
Is there anyway for the host to have a master switch that turns this [off] for all players.
[Skindownload] seems also to cause shaky/ shuddery flight dynamics when getting within guns range of a flying target.

Col_Tibbetts
04-17-2004, 12:27 AM
Hey Gib,

I did say that the Americans would be able to outfly the Zero if the Zero pilot was ******ed or has some other mental defect. Translated from my attempt at humorous playground language Zeros were shot down in one on one fights when the Zero pilot was inexperienced.

Toward the end of the war the Japanese were sending up pilots who weren't even trained to land! (Their mission didn't require it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) So I do believe that American 1 on 1 victories were possible. However the average IL2 sim pilot has a better understanding of flight than some of the "devine winders" the Imperial Japanese Army were sending into the air at the end of the war.

So 1 on 1 online is still almost impossible.

BTW. GREAT JOB on the P38! It is the only plane I would take a Zero on with at this point.

Col. Tibbetts

F19_Ob
04-17-2004, 06:36 AM
hi there

Nowadays (im an oldie) I mostly fly with a wingmate (olli72) on voice. Im a very crapy slow writer so this is a must for me.

90% of our kills are from helping friendlies in distress and we seldom miss a firing pass.
We always communicate with text with other players aswell, often more than we talk to eachother. If someone tags along on our flight we often keep an extra lookout even if he thinks we have left him we often stay above.
Many of those have been very impatient flyers who got themselves in unnescessary unfavorable situations. So in order to help these fellows out we also must get in, exposing ourselves unable to use the most favorable tactics, but this is often fun to do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I have noticed that on GG people often try to help a fellow out....I like that.

pinche_bolillo
04-17-2004, 07:00 AM
what do you expect from individualist? team play :O finally I meet somebody crazier than myself.

CO_Eagle_31stFG
04-17-2004, 07:38 AM
What I am saying is that it is very frustrating when you enter a server, take off, and type to your team "Hey where are u guys?" and get no response. Don't they realize that we can help eachother? Finally after much pleading someone responds back, "Hey man, we are on TS. We dont type." What arrogance!
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Doesn't sound like arrogance, sounds like they just told you what they do. Now arrogance would be more as if they would have replied "we're on TS and if your not you're a loser"
Simple fact voice comms are used widely in sims, if you dont have them and/ or you enter a server where people are using them you are at a disadvantage. You really can't blame them but perhaps they should have had the game locked so anyone just couldn't have jumped in.
There are many ways to look at this.
Good luck to you on your next flight experiance.
Perhaps when you enter someones game you ought to ask first if they are using voice comms or not, just a suggestion.

T_O_A_D
04-17-2004, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hammer459:
Hey Toad, or anyone else, how do you host a server on TS?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I gave a brief how to here in this thread. Its on the second page. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=347102333&r=270104733#270104733

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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