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Z1stDan
03-16-2004, 09:51 AM
What is the fastest prop aircraft in Sim now for

1. Level Flight at say 2000 - 3000 meters.
2. In a dive.
3. In a climb.

Z1stDan
03-16-2004, 09:51 AM
What is the fastest prop aircraft in Sim now for

1. Level Flight at say 2000 - 3000 meters.
2. In a dive.
3. In a climb.

BlitzPig_Ritter
03-16-2004, 09:57 AM
I haven't really tested it, but the K4 sure moves like a bat out of hell.

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Hristo_
03-16-2004, 10:01 AM
Participated in several chases this weekend.

D-9 1944 is definitely one of the best at low level. Outran P51, P63, P38, Yaks, only Lame-7 seems to be as fast or even faster.

Against heavy planes like P51 or P47 you might add little climb component as well. Against light ones like Yaks you might drop the nose down a little.

109K is the best climber, maybe Yak comes close at very low level. First start with shalloe climb, then go to zoom or spiral climb, depending on your pursuer. Generally, you can outclimb any US plane, but be careful about P38 and P63. P38 can hang long at low speeds and fir at you while you zoom. P63 is very good climber, it seems.

At 3000m I'd put 109K in fron of 190D-9 speedwise.

Acceleration is by far better in 109 than in 190. so if you start from low speed and without space ti dive, 109 will leg it better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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WUAF_Boxer
03-16-2004, 10:10 AM
Here are te results of my sea level tests. Radiators where closed.

1st La7/D9 45" 590 kph
2nd D9 44"/A9/109Z 580 kph
3rd Ki84 570 kph
4th A5/P36/K4 560 kph

I found that opening the radiator to open would generaly decrease top speed by 20 kph.

DONB3397
03-16-2004, 10:29 AM
You'll see some good charts in this thread, I suspect, showing relative speed and acceleration.

From personal experience, I still seem to cover ground faster (in flat flight) in a D-9 than any other prop a/c. Don't fly the La's that much.

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Zen--
03-16-2004, 10:34 AM
The D9 '44 will pretty much outrun anything except an La7 on the deck.

At 2000 meters both the D9 and the La7 should achieve in the neighborhood of 630kph.

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Z1stDan
03-16-2004, 10:50 AM
Seems like the D9 and LA7 are tops for level flight. Does the D9 have an advantage over the LA7 in dive speed because it can take a higher speed before breaking apart? Which one of the two is the fastest climber?

l6lst_Elite
03-16-2004, 11:27 AM
IF you want to know the real facts(not saying ur testing isnt accurate).Go and find the iL2compare program.Saves years of experimenting on which plane is better.

Hristo_
03-16-2004, 11:29 AM
Lame-7 is certainly better climber and accelerator of the two. Not so pronounced the higher you go.

D-9 might be a better diver, but I haven't tested it for certain.

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03-16-2004, 11:36 AM
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TacticalSkirmsh
03-16-2004, 11:51 AM
Level flight stats are interesting when flying commercial planes. Yak-3 remains on top for speed and climb under dogfight conditions for Allies. Not an Axis pilot.

Like the spits and enjoy certain American planes.

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Hristo_
03-16-2004, 12:12 PM
Here's a nice online track (http://easyweb.globalnet.hr/easyweb/users/ntomlino/uploads/getaway.zip) showing how D-9 is faster than a P-51 down low.

At first P-51 had alt on me and was catching me in the dive. P-51s are grreat divers and one should never understimate them.

I had to slow it down and then use D-9's better acceleration to get away. It worked http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BfHeFwMe
03-16-2004, 12:50 PM
We'll grant Dora's good run away speeds, got to respect the guys what like to run too. Can it fight any? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Zen--
03-16-2004, 01:00 PM
If flown properly, the Dora is the most dangerous plane in the game imho

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Hristo_
03-16-2004, 01:07 PM
Depends on what you call a fight. Many here consider a fight what in real life would be a suicide.

If it is your usual whirling-dervish-pull-stick-to-the-gut-until-you-die flight, Dora isn't a good choice. Something like Ki84, Lame-7, Spit, Hurri or even I153 are by far better rides for this.

But if you fly like your life is on the line, Dora is one of your best bets. It can stay fast through attacks and extensions, attack when it suits it, run to safety when things go bad, is durable enough to take some stray shots, can even scissor if you really mess up....flying like you have only one virtual life can be very demanding sometimes. Especially when you're surrounded by 16 y.o. kamikazes who will follow you to hell and back just to tag you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I've tried the other side as well, flying biplane servers with nothing but turn and burn, but it just bores me so much.

robban75
03-16-2004, 01:12 PM
Achieved speeds on the Crimea map @ 50m or less, rads closed 110% throttle and boost. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

D-9 - 608km/h('44 version)
D-9 - 613km/h('45 version)
A-9 - 604km/h
A-5 - 586km/h
A-4 - 562km/h
P-51D - 583km/h
P-63 - 604km/h
La-7 - 613km/h

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robban75
03-16-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Z1stDan:
Seems like the D9 and LA7 are tops for level flight. Does the D9 have an advantage over the LA7 in dive speed because it can take a higher speed before breaking apart? Which one of the two is the fastest climber?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The D-9 has some advantages over the La-7. One of them is divespeed and the other one is topspeed at 5000m. To use the divespeed to an advantage you have to reach speeds above 820km/h IAS. The La-7 will break up if it goes any faster. And that's about it. Rollrate should be an advantage but the La-7 can keep up well enough. The La-7 has superior acceleration aswell, so if you are slow and at low altitude the La-7 will easily catch you, even if you have the same topspeed. The La-7 will reach it long before you do. Thanks to its superior climbrate the La-7 maintains energy better during vertical manouvers, it will also outclimb the D-9 from 0m to 3000m. At 2700m the D-9 gets new life and outclimbs the La, but at 4000m the La-7 will begin to show its superiority again and it will maintain this superiority to at least 8000m.

The D-9 is however IMHO, the best overall fighter in FB. And although the La-7 pretty much has all the advantages, most of these are only marginal.
Remember that an already fast Dora is virtually uncatchable. Even for an La-7. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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RedDeth
03-16-2004, 04:46 PM
ive been reading in janes fighting aircraft of world war 2 that the TA152H has a top speed of 465 miles per hour down low with mw50 and at high alt with gm1 speed is 472 miles per hour. the other ta152s were even faster.

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mortoma
03-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Too bad we don't have a Do-335, that should be faster than all the rest.

JG27_BLACKHART
03-16-2004, 07:47 PM
A pilot by the name of Richard I. Bong that created the WWII Heritige Center who happened to be a pilot of the P-38 stated that the P-38 cruised at speeds as speeds of 422MPH .. I doubt that it was the fastest though. Another pilot stated that it dove at speeds as fast as 450MPH.

As for This sim I would have to say P-47 in dive, LA-7 in straight away and in a straight verticle climb is hard to state ...

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WUAF_Badsight
03-16-2004, 08:49 PM
at high alt the LA-7 has been hodbbeled since v1.11

now the KI is more of a whale up high (as both should be compared to other planes in FB)

Gwalker70
03-16-2004, 08:58 PM
Zen the Dora isnt the must dangerous fighter in HL even if you know how to fly it.. the 151's are not modeled well enough.. it takes a hanging plane or a straight plane to nail in some good shots..it takes like a 3 or 4 second burst minimum to take something out thats not messed up as far as weak damage model cuase of messed up FM you wont die in a dora for sure but you aint killing much either

WUAF_Badsight
03-16-2004, 09:03 PM
are you crazy ?

the MG151/20 are the best A2A 20mm in the whole game !

accurate !

hard hitting !

they are soooo good for deflection its not funny

maddvmaxx
03-16-2004, 09:18 PM
I'll have the P-38 with dual 50's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif