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doug.d
01-30-2004, 05:09 AM
Il2 FB is the best game ever and my absolute online favourite. BUT, I am partially disabled in that I have very poor eyesight and cannot play on servers with high realism settings (i.e. no views/icons, which is almost all servers) because I cannot see the enemy.

I know I represent a commercially unattractive minority but PLEASE give IL2 FB the ability for those running the servers to selectively switch settings for individual players. Don't give the game or ME that ability because then it would encourage cheating and a huge attraction of the game is the lack of cheating. I ask only for this to be a server option.

It would be a great help also to squadrons training noobs to be able to set the server according to individual skill levels, instead of having to have more than one server.

Pleeeease
Doug (South Africa)

doug.d
01-30-2004, 05:09 AM
Il2 FB is the best game ever and my absolute online favourite. BUT, I am partially disabled in that I have very poor eyesight and cannot play on servers with high realism settings (i.e. no views/icons, which is almost all servers) because I cannot see the enemy.

I know I represent a commercially unattractive minority but PLEASE give IL2 FB the ability for those running the servers to selectively switch settings for individual players. Don't give the game or ME that ability because then it would encourage cheating and a huge attraction of the game is the lack of cheating. I ask only for this to be a server option.

It would be a great help also to squadrons training noobs to be able to set the server according to individual skill levels, instead of having to have more than one server.

Pleeeease
Doug (South Africa)

GT182
01-30-2004, 09:10 AM
Great idea Doug. S!

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CO_Eagle_31stFG
01-30-2004, 09:16 AM
For your case doug That might be a good thing.
For other cases though it could be a Bad thing depending on the host, he/she might give one side an unfair advantage. In the case of this option being availiable to one hosting the server, I would think it would be also good for those playing to be able to see who would have what options, for agreement purposes,otherwise it could just be seen as a way to allow cheating.

SeaFireLIV
01-30-2004, 09:24 AM
I really want to say yes to this, but I have similar concerns to Co Eagle. I`m not sure it`s feasible... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

SeaFireLIV...

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noshens
01-30-2004, 02:10 PM
glasses don't help?

J30Vader
01-30-2004, 03:25 PM
Not always.

Mine allow me to see, but not chase dots.

Recon_609IAP
01-30-2004, 07:23 PM
more reflective aircraft might help?

S!
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J30Vader
01-30-2004, 10:48 PM
They would, but then someone would moan about about camoflauge not working....

Winter maps help too. At least they do me. Padlock can be a big help. It may have its shortcomings, but I consider it a necessity

For all practical purposes, I am blind in my left eye. So PL is needed, at least for me.

Doug has good ideas, but I don't think it is feasible either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[This message was edited by J30Vader on Fri January 30 2004 at 09:58 PM.]

doug.d
01-31-2004, 04:03 PM
I feel sure Oleg's wizards could write this up to ensure it does not lead to cheating-type situations i.e. create transparency by permitting players to be able to see the settings of others. Perhaps by being able to go to the settings screen and having another button that will show all the players on the server with their unique settings.

It should be a walk in the park for the writers of a complex game like IL2. We in South Africa are having to run 2 servers, one for the aces and one for the noobs and visually impaired like myself. Trouble is it splits the small community and both servers suffer from low numbers.

I know of a fair number of potential players that suffer from visual problems in IL2 that would have their game significantly enhanced. Many of them have given up IL2 for reasons of visibility.

Come on Oleg & co, lets hear from you, is it feasible? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

J30Vader
01-31-2004, 10:57 PM
How about sun glinting off the canopies? Works in Mig Alley.

Mike_Green
02-01-2004, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by doug.d:

I know I represent a commercially unattractive minority but PLEASE give IL2 FB the ability for those running the servers to selectively switch settings for individual players.Pleeeease
Doug (South Africa)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I may be being simplistic here, but doesn't flying on easy settings level the playing field? If you can see icons, and the other guy can see icons, then isn't everyone all square?

Previously known round these parts as mikeyg007

CH_D-Fender
02-01-2004, 08:42 AM
A mono-sound option would be nice also.

Using a headset and only hearing on one side.

Maple_Tiger
02-01-2004, 09:15 AM
N/A

[This message was edited by Maple_Tiger on Sun February 01 2004 at 08:16 PM.]

doug.d
02-01-2004, 09:24 AM
Oh, oh, looks like it's time for the "I'm alright, stuff everyone else" fraternity to butt in.

Doug_Dread
Hawker Hunter Driver

Saburo_0
02-01-2004, 10:01 AM
Hey Doug!

um, don't know about your i-net connections, but our squad flies with icons & has members in Europe which might be online when you fly.
Give us a look, no need to join to fly with us, the more the merrier. Some good pilots & some like me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.fighting-irish.org/index2.htm

You might look around for some friendly souls who would enable icons but the people who don't like them can cycle them off.
I have found that over time by seeing what people post you can recognize people & squads that are flexible & friendly. You just have to ignore the rest.

Oh, & Maple....bad form old boy! Imagine how horrible it'd be to loose your sight, can't read look at plane pics, or play any games. Can't see smiles.

doug.d
02-01-2004, 01:31 PM
Thanks Saburo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif will check out my ping to your server.

My local ping with 56K modem is about 150 but I find I can play internationally up to about 500 without serious problems if the connection is smooth. If my ping is spikey to a particular server, then it's very warpy and I have to get out.

Yeah Maple, try finishing 2 bottles of champagne, then break off the bottoms of the bottles and tape these over your eyes and play IL2. Done it? Well now you know about eyesight difficulties. Your homework for this week is to try getting back in touch with your human side chum. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Doug_Dread
Hawker Hunter Driver

Snoop_Baron
02-01-2004, 06:42 PM
HI doug u might want to check out my server when it's up: ":FI:SnoopBaron"

I normaly have limited icons + padlock so that should help u out.

s!
Snoop

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ef891e3f86abf2ffeb387de347ad2851
02-01-2004, 09:10 PM
Maple, what is wrong with you?...I know the pain of having a vision impairment and trying to do what most people take for granted like playing FB.........I cant beleive you would say something like that. Doug seems like a great guy and he made a reasonable request.

Maple_Tiger
02-01-2004, 09:13 PM
Im sorry doug.d

I thought is was funny and i never even thought about what others would think. I realize now that it was inapropiat.

ef891e3f86abf2ffeb387de347ad2851
02-01-2004, 09:15 PM
Claws retracted http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks.

doug.d
02-02-2004, 12:50 AM
Aileron: Thanks m8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maple: Np m8, welcome back to the human race. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You finished your homework really quick, you over the 2 bottles of champagne already? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Mmmm.... a braille server, you might have something there... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Mike: Right on both counts. 1) Easy settings do level the playing fields and 2) Yes, too simplistic. The South African 'aces' have switched off all views (cockpit only) and icons (on-screen and map) and won't play it any other way. This excludes me from 'their' server.

Padlock helps a bit, but mostly I get jumped from my 6 'cause I didn't see them circling me. It's also disconcerting to have my head whipped around to leave me contemplating my crotch while the enemy gets into position and I know there's a dirty great mountain just ahead somewhere... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

S! Snoop and Saburo. Where can I find your servers? Looked on Ubi & ASE {couldn't get into Hyper last night).

Oleg & co, please break radio silence.

Doug_Dread
Hawker Hunter Driver

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2004, 09:32 AM
&lt;Group hug&gt;

I, for one, don't see the "cheating" aspect as much of an issue. It's kind of like locks being for honest people. If someone want to cheat that bad, they'll use something. Always have, always will. FB's developers have done a good job in keeping most of the cheaters in check and Doug's idea has merit. If I use another golf analogy...most golfers keep their own score and it's a self-policed sport in most cases.

Bottom line: This would be an interesting addition, but likely won't warrant a second look...sorry. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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Saburo_0
02-02-2004, 10:50 AM
Doug,

Hyperlobby has been horrible for me to get into lately. Snoops server isn't always up, but I'll let him reply with more info. At work now but will try to get back to you before too long. Snoops Server is in the US tho IIRC, will have to see who runs the European one- i'm a newbie .
Well keep smilin'

crazyivan1970
02-02-2004, 11:14 AM
Hyper was maxed out couple of times...

doug, there are at least 80% servers at Hyperlobby running settings that you are asking for... let me think of few... Slammins, JG27_Bogeys(cockpit on, but icons on both sides), Trollville, AJF MASTIFF... those servers are always around and also load of similar ones at any time. Cannot answer for UBI tho, i don`t fly in there.

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doug.d
02-02-2004, 11:47 AM
Crazyivan... familiar...have we met in the air? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Your right there are many servers with views and icons. Trouble here is that my 56K modem is about as good as my eyesight when looking for servers from far away South Africa.

Don't get me wrong, I do sometimes find gr8 games, but these have to be within the top couple of servers on the various lobbies (ping limit 500), not a wide choice and often these are high realism. I exclude Hyperlobby, for some reason, don't ask me why, I have yet to have a troublefree game there.

It's these gr8 games that leave me wanting more and what I am asking Oleg for is to increase my choices immensely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Doug_Dread
Hawker Hunter Driver

p1ngu666
02-02-2004, 11:55 AM
u basicaly asking for bigger icons? i dont have any issues with thathttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
well, if its a icons on server, icons off it could be abused by normal sighted players.
if u see me on hl msg me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ill join a server with u http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Snoop_Baron
02-03-2004, 08:53 AM
I try to keep my server which is hosted in Austin TX up as close to 24/7 as I can but sometimes HL drops me or I need to take it down for maintainance. Give it a try and see how the connection is for you.

:FI:Snoop Baron
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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
02-03-2004, 05:05 PM
I have a squad member who suffers from colour blindness which currently makes landing and taking off from grass strips very difficult (I am hunting around for a solution but the only one I have found is to mark out grass strips with camp fires). Is it possible to play Il2 in greyscale ?? Is there some driver hack that could enable this ?? Just curious and thanks for your time

131st_BaLrOg

VF-17_WOODMAN
02-04-2004, 05:02 PM
I seem to remember a post about someone using a fresnal lense over the moniter to magnify the icons maybe this might help?...

(serious sugestion)

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doug.d
02-08-2004, 11:23 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Hi Saburo and Snoop, Have found my ping to FI servers to be too high. Got into FI:snoop_baron once but soon got kicked. Thanks for trying though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Doug_Dread
Hawker Hunter Driver

RobertNighthawk
02-09-2004, 12:51 AM
I too have cataracts and color blindness et cetera. My really best advice is to get the biggest monitor you can afford, my friend. I know this seems obvious but is my best "remedy" to date. I suggest asking your eye doctor or optician about making you some dedicated "flying glasses". I have some. They are my reading prescription with a slight magnification. Again obvious, perhaps, but if you have not had your vision checked for a year it might be time to see if you need a new prescription. I have to get one every 9 months to a year as do many over 40 folks. I hope some of this helps. Regardless, enjoy your flight!

[This message was edited by RobertNighthawk on Mon February 09 2004 at 12:01 AM.]

LEBillfish
02-09-2004, 01:08 PM
Consider also trying adjusting your contrast, brightness and color settings.......

doug.d
03-04-2004, 12:26 AM
Oleg, if you're not quite as frantically busy now, please give this your consideration.

Doug_Dread
Hawker Hunter Driver

PlaneEater
03-04-2004, 05:30 AM
Hate to say it doug, but apart from the options already built into the game, Oleg probably can't afford the effort, time, and possible exploits or problems that could be introduced by altering the visibility functions of the gameplay,--spotting, dot sizes, color contrasts, etc--for what is, in all honesty, a very limited portion of his user base. Most of those visibility aspects are set the way they are to mimic real life challenges to pilots, and we've already got icons.

While I guess he could make icons somewhat bigger, that's the only change I can think of that would be *mostly* problem free. Anything else would be opening very large cans of worms.

I don't mean to sound callous or unsympathetic, but there is a reason that military pilots are required to have 20/20 uncorrected vision in real life. :\ You have to in order to function effectively; even moreso in a sim that is so closely modeled to real life, with the added problems of a small, flat screen as our viewpoint.

VOL_Mountain
03-04-2004, 06:35 AM
I may have an unpopular opinion with the author but I'm 100% against changing the game code to allow visually impared pilots an advantage; Sorry.

Why? Who's to decide what pilot get's to have the advantage? Me 'cause I wear glasses and don't have 20/20 vision? Or the pilot who suffered cataract surgery?

Here's my reason: This feature would become abused; used by the masses to gain an advantage over others.

There have been suggestions posted in this string such as adjust your monitor (colors/brightness/contrast), purchase a HUGE monitor or maybe even a projection screen to cover your entire wall with the game. That would be easy to see.

How about this for a suggestion: Form a league of disabled pilots who fly with settings of their choice. That would work because you can fly with whatever setting you find appropriate.

My 2 cents for the day,
Mtn.

Gen_Strike
03-28-2004, 07:42 PM
low resolution big screen seems to work well for me, seems high resolutions make small dots in the distance smaller