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KarayaEine
09-02-2004, 12:02 PM
I must say I am not that disappointed with the sim as a whole but IL-2/FB/Aces is still much better IMO. I like the fact I can fly bigger aircraft in a real world environment; planes I know I'll never fly with IL-2 (not a bad thing, just nice to have different choices) The scenery on FS is not as nice as IL-2 but I guess when you're flying at 40K feet it really doesn't make much difference. Still it's nice to have eye candy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the IL-2 community and support is much, much nicer. The IL-2 forums are a real benefit you do not appreciate until you have to use another sim. Most all FS websites are pay sites and they don't have any forums. I went to MicroSoft's website and they have no forum, no add ons, nothing. Just advertisement for the sim. At least UBI provides this wonderful resource for us. And IL-2 skinners are the best!!!!!!! If I had to put up with the skin quality you see on FS then I doubt I'd still be flying the unfriendly skies of the Eastern Front.

I guess I was spoiled off the bat because I went with IL-2 first and foremost from other flight sims. The folks at MS could take a clue from the forums here.

Only gripe is that I wish IL-2 has as dynamic weather like FS2004 has. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Johann

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KarayaEine
09-02-2004, 12:02 PM
I must say I am not that disappointed with the sim as a whole but IL-2/FB/Aces is still much better IMO. I like the fact I can fly bigger aircraft in a real world environment; planes I know I'll never fly with IL-2 (not a bad thing, just nice to have different choices) The scenery on FS is not as nice as IL-2 but I guess when you're flying at 40K feet it really doesn't make much difference. Still it's nice to have eye candy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the IL-2 community and support is much, much nicer. The IL-2 forums are a real benefit you do not appreciate until you have to use another sim. Most all FS websites are pay sites and they don't have any forums. I went to MicroSoft's website and they have no forum, no add ons, nothing. Just advertisement for the sim. At least UBI provides this wonderful resource for us. And IL-2 skinners are the best!!!!!!! If I had to put up with the skin quality you see on FS then I doubt I'd still be flying the unfriendly skies of the Eastern Front.

I guess I was spoiled off the bat because I went with IL-2 first and foremost from other flight sims. The folks at MS could take a clue from the forums here.

Only gripe is that I wish IL-2 has as dynamic weather like FS2004 has. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Johann

Horrido!
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THE_Bu11dog
09-02-2004, 01:32 PM
Well I guess that is what to expect when you pay $50.00 for a $20.00 sim.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I like the fact I can fly bigger aircraft in a real world environment; planes I know I'll never fly with IL-2<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet if your personal income was unlimited, you could get to fly a 747 a lot easier than you could say an I16 or IL2. Furthermore... how many bombs have you dropped in FS9? Not many I would assume.

So if you just want to fly from point a to point b stick with the boring one.

Zayets
09-02-2004, 01:37 PM
Whatever they say , FS9 is a very good sim.For many reasons.I'm quite tired now to expose all the reasons I play this game.
Is a very good sim , be prepared for FS10 though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Weather_Man
09-02-2004, 01:45 PM
http://www.avsim.com has everything you need to make it better. Much better.

The default stuff is ok, but somewhat lacking. Good thing is you can modify it to your heart's content and it really becomes something beautiful. I just downloaded 3GB worth of professional quality terrain for the US...for free. Look for FSGenesis 30M mesh.

Take a look at some of the screenshots here if you still think it's ugly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img88.exs.cx/img88/3105/WMSig2.jpg (http://screenshotart.com/index.php?s=20844ce5f27b48a7c1f9edc9e099e7e8&)

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LStarosta
09-02-2004, 01:45 PM
The scenery blows, but you can download scenery that is more detailed than IL2's.

www.simviation.com (http://www.simviation.com)

www.surclaro.com (http://www.surclaro.com)

If you're looking to download airplanes, try and find bigger ones that are several megabytes in size and include a virtual cockpit. Don't bother with any of the other ones that are several hundred kilobytes in size. ALSO, make sure that when you're downloading something that you're not just downloading a set of textures but the actual aircraft instead. It's a good sim, especially if you're a real civil pilot.

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KarayaEine
09-02-2004, 01:52 PM
Actually I only paid $20 for it at Wal-Mart

And there are times I do like the point to point flying. I know anytime I want to blow another plane out of the sky I can fire up IL-2. The point is each sim has it's purpose and use. I happen to like both and plan on flying both as the mood fits me.

I was just making some observations.........

Johann

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Beirut
09-02-2004, 02:14 PM
I always get a kick out of the guys who trash the FS series. I have FS2002 and with my 9800 Pro at 1600x1200x32, even some of the stock scenery is pure Haagen-Dazs. LA International is gorgeous, especially at night.

And for those who think only A2A combat takes any skill, try landing a 747 in high winds, at night, in a thunderstorm. It's all so easy until you're 1000' from the runway and you realize you're about to plow into the control tower while at a 45 degree yaw.

The FS series has plenty of chess-like challenges if you are willing to take the time to explore the game.

"Official Lancaster whiner"

KGr.HH-Sunburst
09-02-2004, 02:19 PM
dont know what you guys talking about "the scenery blows"
i find it pretty detailed when maxed out and there is much more variety in landscape and the city's and towns look way more detailed then the cartoonish look of FB wich is rather plain and boring (except gulf of finland http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

oh and thanks for the link Weather man i was looking for that site for some time
but i forgot the name (didnt play FS9 in ages)

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AdEridanus
09-02-2004, 02:36 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks FS9's scenery is nice: Flying around mountainous areas is wonderful! And one thing that I like about the series is that MS gives you the (sometimes rough) canvas, and you can paint whatever you like with the add-ons. Lighting, weather, scenery, buildings, aircraft, utilities, and even the star counts can be adjusted. Now if you mean CFS3, after you neutered the game enough to play with at least 20FPS, its scenery sucks!

LStarosta
09-02-2004, 02:37 PM
IMO the default textures are AWFUL in FS2004. The default buildings look AWFUL. Trees look AWFUL. That's what I mean by scenery blows. I think the cities and towns are far more detailed in IL2, but maybe because FS2004 gets choppy when there's any real dense scenery loaded on my computer. FS2004, however, is a good sim if you're a general aviation or commercial aviation enthusiast. It offers what no other sim can: full customization. It's excellent for virtual airlines or flying clubs, and there are a lot of those on the net.

The mediocre scenery problem can be fixed easily. Get good scenery for places you fly at most often. Most can be downloaded free at places like www.avsim.com (http://www.avsim.com) or www.simviation.com (http://www.simviation.com). Then find some good planes. The default ones are extremely high quality, but may get boring after a while.

As someone said before, FS2004 and IL2 co exist, because one can't substitute the other. Fly whatever you are in the mood for. Personally, I find nothing more satisfying than calculating a route, doing your weight and balance, and then flying that route, usually without autopilot.

However, for aerobatics and combat flying, FS2004 can't touch IL2.

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Capt.LoneRanger
09-02-2004, 03:30 PM
Bad Scenery!?

I beg your pardon, but to compare the few little maps of IL2 with the world-spanning environment of FS-series is a little naive. If you then consider the load of addons available, that replace the textures by photorealistic satellite pictures, well, if you still like the layered woods and solely trees of IL2 more, it's definately not a question of better graphics.

The water is absolutely awesome, btw, but you need a DX9 graphics card to make use of them.

Community

You couldn't be more incorrect. The FS-community is much, much larger than the IL2 community. Of course with that bigger community, there comes the people who don't host all the files for free.
But look at the ammount and the dimensions of the files! It's not a 1 Meg skin here and there and a 100kb mission, but a whole new plane, complete with hi-res-textures, clickable 3D-cockpit and interiors. These range from 20megs to over 100megs. That's a little out of the usuall download range for IL2-files.
Still, there are many, many brilliant sites, where you can download these magnificent files.

Skinquality

You must be kidding. FS9 uses DX9-textures, with reflection masks and transparent-layers. That means no more one-1024x1024x256 files for one plane, but multiple layered 16bit textures! Just look at all the details on the DC3. You call these worse than IL2?


Sorry, but I suggest you test FS a bit further.

greets
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Weather_Man
09-02-2004, 03:36 PM
Oh yeah, the DC3 is awesome! Incredible detail.

http://img80.exs.cx/img80/3614/DC3_Storm10.jpg

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Vladimir_No2
09-02-2004, 03:40 PM
I play fs9, and I like it quite a bit, even though flying in it isn't always as "real" as Il-2. Still, with addons, it can be very good. In addition to what was mentioned above, I would suggest
www.flightsim.com (http://www.flightsim.com)

-Vlad
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KGr.HH-Sunburst
09-02-2004, 03:57 PM
the only problem is although i find the scenery very nice and the textures are good ,but the RENDERING of the textures are waaay to slow and they mess up the detail and everything is very blurry i.e when you switch views quickly it takes along time to load those textures wich is kinda cr@p IMO

does anyone know how to make the textures come up nice and smooth with an ATI based card?

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capt_frank
09-02-2004, 04:37 PM
the default ground textures at "ground zero" really turned me off...splotches of this and that colour which looked terrible. it's not until you gain some altitude that the default scenery begins to shine. and yes, i've been buying this product since fs 5.1...

i ended up giving it away.

but i do love the dc-3!

maybe when the ms team comes up with a default ground texture like we see in ils/fb....

fs 10?

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Capt.LoneRanger
09-02-2004, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> maybe when the ms team comes up with a default ground texture like we see in ils/fb.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehehe, I just imagined flying through the IL2-maps in 2 minutes from side to side in a Leatjet....
But at least the textures would be fine for &gt;100ft flight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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KarayaEine
09-02-2004, 05:14 PM
I love LA at night on FS2004! In fact any night time scenery in FS2004 is just plain AWESOME! That's when the scenery looks the most realistic. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Johann

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WTE_Galway
09-02-2004, 05:16 PM
FS2002/2004

Downside .. pathetic flight models at edge of envelope and in specific areas like flare on landing

Upside .. amazing number of totally free addon aircraft, airports scenery and terrain mesh

Beirut
09-02-2004, 05:31 PM
If you want scenery, check out the payware add-ons at megascenery.com. It's nothing short of superb.

Not sure if the free demo is still there, but I loaded up a small 10x10 mile demo and it was outstanding. If you flew at the suggested height, between 4K and 10K', it was as close to photorealistic as I've seen.

I think people dump on the FS series because it's a MS product and there's no shooting in it. But if any of the A2A hotdogs want a real flying challenge, try some of the test flights included in in the sim. Humility will kick you in the *** real quick.

"Official Lancaster whiner"

mortoma
09-02-2004, 11:42 PM
I buy every new version of MSFS, ever since it was on floppy disks. But for some reason, I prefer X-plane and spend much more time flying in it than I ever did MSFS. The scenery in X-plane is even worse than MSFS, but I prefer good flight dynamics any day. A real pilot that tries X-plane will never or rarely go back to MSFS. Flight model accuracy is what really counts for any sane person. What good does scenery do you if the FMs stink??? Eye candy won't land your plane for you.

WTE_Galway
09-03-2004, 12:12 AM
the FM's in the FS sims are OK for normal GA flying, with the exception of landings but not for fancy stuff


Xplane seems good, Flight Unlimited also had better fm's for aerobatics and stuff than the FS series

there are actually addons for FS2004 which have far better flight charecteristics than the stock planes .. you have to wonder why they cannot get it right in the first place http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tfu_iain1
09-03-2004, 02:55 AM
ok, for anyone who thinks the scenery blows on fs9... it probably does on your machine. looks gorgeous on mine. go into the directcd settings on the graphics card advanced properties panel and make sure textures are set for high quality, not performance or application preference. et voila, gorgeous graphics. thats it.

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