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zugfuhrer
04-06-2004, 09:06 AM
Why is the sight of the FW190 placed so low. Kurt was a very good engineer. I would prefear to have it higher.

zugfuhrer
04-06-2004, 09:06 AM
Why is the sight of the FW190 placed so low. Kurt was a very good engineer. I would prefear to have it higher.

BlitzPig_DDT
04-06-2004, 09:37 AM
It's the wrong Revi placed in a pit with the wrong view. But it'll never be changed in spite of it being obvious, and not only that, proven undeniably in the old ORR on several occasions. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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zugfuhrer
04-06-2004, 09:53 AM
To bad. Is there lot of prestige in the matter?

crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 10:12 AM
zug, do we really have to have 10,000 threads on this issue? I think there is enough of this in ORR. If you looking to catch some fish, you already did, good job http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 10:24 AM
I was going to reply to Stiglr...but now the post is gone?

I didn't think it was too bad, but I didn't get to read all of it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Anyway....

zugfuhrer-
Do not take simulated planes on a computer to be exactly what the designer intended the real plane to be like.

To the best of my knowledge, Oleg actually used a real FW-190 as his model. He had access to the aircraft. The Maddox Games team uses blueprints when possible, too. The problem with the FW-190's sight seems to be one of the wrong Revi placed in that cockpit at one time, and Oleg used it for his model. 60 years is plenty of time for things to be added to a plane! Unfortunately, there was a problem with the Revi being wrong in some way, either the model gunsight or it's mounting location.

There were so many "Oleg you dummy" type posts in ORR that not only did Oleg just flat out declare that it wouldn't ever be fixed, he stayed away from that forum for a long time.

Now, you might look at my registration date and say, "how do you know?"

Chuck Older isn't my real name, he was an 18 kill ace in the AVG and USAAF. I wasn't always Chuck_Older here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I used to be BBB462CID (Big Block Buick, 462 Cubic Inch Displacement http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif ), and when the forums changed, I lost my log-in.

I was involved with some of those discussions, and it isn't Bias, or loss of face, or Kurt Tank being strange in his designs. It's a matter of too many complaints being expressed in the wrong way, and too many personal jabs at Oleg. Thanks to a very vocal few who shouted too long and too hard about it, the gunsight remains unfixed.


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crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 10:32 AM
I deleted Stiglrs post. Why? Because i am sick and tired of his accusations and senseless rants. This is one of those scenarios where we say : it`s a pilot. Besides he doesn`t even own AEP... so you be the judge.

As far as 190`s view goes, yes it was brought up in ORR and turned into disaster. Last week i offered to take over this issue and get it resolved to some extent...but only received one PT about it. If you want to get it done or at least moved, i can try. But so far 190s view thread is growing and that`s about it.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 10:38 AM
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I never thought it was that big a deal. You can still use the sight- heck, I fire blind on targets in deflection in a P-51!

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crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 10:44 AM
I never had probs with 190 either mate. The bird is fenomenal, i didn`t even know that revi was wrong, and if it is, i don`t care. But i`m willing to help...but oh well.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Fehler
04-06-2004, 10:59 AM
I was flying the P38 yesterday and deflection shooting in that thing is awesome! And with the dispersion, you dont even need to be a good shot...

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TooCooL34
04-06-2004, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I deleted Stiglrs post. Why? Because i am sick and tired of his accusations and senseless rants. This is one of those scenarios where we say : it`s a pilot. Besides he doesn`t even own AEP... so you be the judge<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Flamin_Squirrel
04-06-2004, 11:45 AM
No offence, but shouldnt Oleg be profesional enough to rise above obnoxious comments and fix what needs to be fixed?

crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel:
No offence, but shouldnt Oleg be profesional enough to rise above obnoxious comments and fix what needs to be fixed?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Flamin_Squirrel.

Maybe we should be profesional enough to behave like adults? Is it that hard? I can`t comment on what Oleg thinks when he reads childish rants, but i can tell you how i feel....rather not tho. I stated it 100 times, i`ll do it 101st... he is not under any obligations to post and respond on this forums...and only doing it because he cares. Is it too hard to appriciate?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

JG7_Rall
04-06-2004, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel:
No offence, but shouldnt Oleg be profesional enough to rise above obnoxious comments and fix what needs to be fixed?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Flamin_Squirrel.

Maybe we should be profesional enough to behave like adults? Is it that hard? I can`t comment on what Oleg thinks when he reads childish rants, but i can tell you how i feel....rather not tho. I stated it 100 times, i`ll do it 101st... he is not under any obligations to post and respond on this forums...and only doing it because he cares. Is it too hard to appriciate?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 01:59 PM
Rall, Please tell me you are not serious....

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

AFJ_Locust
04-06-2004, 02:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
It's the wrong Revi placed in a pit with the wrong view. But it'll never be changed in spite of it being obvious, and not only that, proven undeniably in the old ORR on several occasions.

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zugfuhrer
04-06-2004, 02:57 PM
Ooops I must have touched a nerv. I didnt know it was inflammed.

Oleg wrote that the FW was his favorite a/c to model.
So I assumed that Oleg got the cockpit right, the guns right, the avionics right.
So I must have used the FW the wrong way, when trying deflection shooting and hitting nothing, stalling because of that I tried to curve etc etc.
It was so odd that a gun that needs a wide angle of view got a cramped one.
And I have the highest respect for german engineers. There must be a cause.

Psst the best way to please a customer is to give him right.

Honest customer are hard to get and easy to loose. Perhaps its the market economy.

dahdah
04-06-2004, 03:15 PM
zugfuhrer,

The Fw is OM's favourite a/c from the technical side.

Because refraction is not modelled, the sighting line is lowered ~30mm. With the 25 deg slope to the glass, this gives the Fw in FB the worst view for the pilot while shooting.

crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
Ooops I must have touched a nerv. I didnt know it was inflammed.

Oleg wrote that the FW was his favorite a/c to model.
So I assumed that Oleg got the cockpit right, the guns right, the avionics right.
So I must have used the FW the wrong way, when trying deflection shooting and hitting nothing, stalling because of that I tried to curve etc etc.
It was so odd that a gun that needs a wide angle of view got a cramped one.
And I have the highest respect for german engineers. There must be a cause.

Psst the best way to please a customer is to give him right.

Honest customer are hard to get and easy to loose. Perhaps its the market economy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You are player zug, aren`t you? Nice recovery http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

LEXX_Luthor
04-06-2004, 03:35 PM
zugzug:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have the highest respect for german engineers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL German infantry may disagree. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Rivercube
04-06-2004, 03:41 PM
Hi all,

two month ago we visited the air museum in Hannover Laatzen. Because of good connections
of a teammate :-) we were allowed to sit in
the cockpit of a BF109G2 and FW 190 A8.

If you sit in the FW you have a fantastic all
arround view! You even can see the front of the engine from cockpit - and you see not this big
line?? under the Revi. Or say easy...you are sitting higher in the seat than in the game.
The view in FW 190 is definately better than in
G2! and not only at behind you...

The only thing i cant tell you is the Revi...
it was not the original one, but i think and the man from museum - an old pilot from WW2 told us that it was higher (this old old pilot was the first LW pilot in Africa).

You cant see it correctly on a foto..just go
to Laatzen, sit in and you will see...ahhhhhhhhh
lol

Regards

Rivercube

Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dahdah:
zugfuhrer,

The Fw is OM's favourite a/c from the technical side.

Because refraction is not modelled, the sighting line is lowered ~30mm. With the 25 deg slope to the glass, this gives the Fw in FB the _worst_ view for the pilot while shooting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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I'd take the gunsight view from a Fw-190 over the one from the P-47D10 any day of the week month or year! I contend that the two earlier P-47s are the worst views in FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

One of the reasons that the FW gunsight issue fascinated me and still does is because it's as if nobody ever noticed some of the restricted views from other gunsights (a couple early Russian aircraft come to mind), but instead it's a constant litany about the FW's gunsight view.

Being a wondeful person http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif this made me wonder.

Why not complain about the others? I think it's because the FW-190 is not only an aicraft that is one with a semirestricted gunsight (again, ceheck out the cockpit of a razorback P-47 for a restricted view on two sides of the gunsight, plus a vertical windscreen brace smack dab in the middle of the view!), but it is an aircraft wildly misunderstood by the community in general.

They read about it, from actual pilot's recounts, and it's said to be "a pilot's airplane" and "easy to fly" and "gives a great view" and they think, "OK, it's a plane I can use to get Instant success when in combat, and it's a snap to fly which means it's more manueverable than others, and I have an unrestricted view in all direction." When the truth is, while the Revi certainly has a restricted view in FB and has been proven to be 99.999% without a doubt a mistake, the FW-190 is not a plane with which to get instant succes, it is not a "snap" to fly (none of these taildraggers are), and it is not more manueverable than other planes, and it does not have an unrestricted view.

It's easy to fly compared to the plane the Luftwaffe pilots could compare it to- the Bf109. It had stable widely spaced landing gear (landing accidents were common in war service Bf109s) made the plane popular. It could do certain things the 109 couldn't- but then again, roll rate does not equal great performance in every situation and every manuever. It's cockpit was not cramped like the 109's and set up better (not that a Virtual pilot would notice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif) and the cockpit bracing (which was not really a huge issue in the 109 IRL) was replaced by a teardrop canopy with better general vision, including that to the rear (which a fighter pilot appreciated a LOT).

None of this means it turns a chicken into a hawk in one 30 minute lesson! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So what gets the blame? the virtual pilots flying the FW-190 in a less than advantageous manner?Heck no, it must be the gunsight!

Lots of online players seem to excell with the FW-190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Which means it ain't a crap plane.

I can hit a target with it, but I fly it in a manner that makes no difference if the target is below the gunsight- just like I do with a P-51 or P-47. My only complaint about the FW-190 is that my joystick settings are too responsive for it's roll rate and I roll too far in a manuever.

I like the FW-190 just fine. I am trying to get better with it and the P-47. Practice will make me good at both http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Black Sheep
04-06-2004, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel:
No offence, but shouldnt Oleg be profesional enough to rise above obnoxious comments and fix what needs to be fixed?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Flamin_Squirrel.

Maybe we should be profesional enough to behave like adults? Is it that hard? I can`t comment on what Oleg thinks when he reads childish rants, but i can tell you how i feel....rather not tho. I stated it 100 times, i`ll do it 101st... he is not under any obligations to post and respond on this forums...and only doing it because he cares. Is it too hard to appriciate?

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Nicely put.

For what it's worth, I work in the videogames industry myself, managing QA teams. I've also worked on sims, most notably Microsoft Train Simulator which came out in 2001 and also has a reasonably large online community. It too had a few flaws on first release and ultimately ended up receiving one small(ish) patch.

A few of us who worked on that project spent some time afterwards lurking on various forums, and would note the items that people seemed least happy with and areas we may have got wrong and could perhaps look at for the patch.

I'm not going to comment on Microsoft's attitudes or views on releasing patches but I have to say that nothing turned me or my colleages off the idea of working on the title again - one which we had already busted a gut over through long hours - than seeing someone rant over and over about how stupid we were to have done this that way or how the performance of this engine or that was so far off their percieved reality etc.

The truth is, Oleg is pretty much unique in his passion and commitment to what he does. No other developer out there is so open or so willing to discuss the behaviour of his sim with its online community. No other company releases patches that contain not just bug fixes but brand new content, major tweaks, performance improvements and so forth; and not just once but numerous times.

In my view, Oleg is something else and goes way beyond the call of duty. Long may he continue.

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zugfuhrer
04-06-2004, 04:02 PM
Hi lexx I dont understand, try to be specific. This forum is perhaps not the right place. Send me a mail instead.

Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moo.Cow:


I'm not going to comment on Microsoft's attitudes or views on releasing patches<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You don't have to, we already know!


also, nice to hear input from someone in the business

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Rivercube
04-06-2004, 04:12 PM
Hi,

i dont expect the FW as a ├╝berplane..i still fly BnZ with it..but thats the problem.
With this crappy gunsight your aiming is
mostly luck. None plany is flying straigh ahead
and so you have to make a deflection shot with out seeing the enemy. I can hit with the 190, but as i said...50% luck. The gunsight destroys the benefits the 190 has...great speed and good
weapons.

But as i said above - the sight if you sit in the real cockpit is way better to that in the game because you sit higher!! The angle in game is definately wrong and should be corrected.

If i can aim better i will fly a brick and be succesful with it.

Regards.

Rivercube

crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rivercube:
Hi,

i dont expect the FW as a ├╝berplane..i still fly BnZ with it..but thats the problem.
With this crappy gunsight your aiming is
mostly luck. None plany is flying straigh ahead
and so you have to make a deflection shot with out seeing the enemy. I can hit with the 190, but as i said...50% luck. The gunsight destroys the benefits the 190 has...great speed and good
weapons.

But as i said above - the sight if you sit in the real cockpit is way better to that in the game because you sit higher!! The angle in game is definately wrong and should be corrected.

If i can aim better i will fly a brick and be succesful with it.

Regards.

Rivercube<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Rivercube.

I can only make couple of suggestions to turn 50% luck into 100% - how good is your aim. Maybe i said it wrong lol, not questioning your gunnery skills, just trying to illuminate 50% luck factor.

First of all, try flying 190 series in max zoom out, Page Down - default key. It gives you much better observation and MG flash is muted.

Second i would recomment different approach in B&Z attack, meaning as you fall on your opponent you open fire not from above, but from under enemy plane, meaning at the final stage of your appoach you fall under enemy plane at approx 500m and about 200m below. Then you open fire at 200m or closer (better) from down under. That way enemy plane is always in your sight and taking under consideration weapons of FW190... works pretty well. Then you simply pull up behind his tail and watch him suffer. That`s how i do it...at least.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Black Sheep
04-06-2004, 04:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moo.Cow:

I'm not going to comment on Microsoft's attitudes or views on releasing patches<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You don't have to, we already know!
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dahdah
04-06-2004, 04:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dahdah:
zugfuhrer,

The Fw is OM's favourite a/c from the technical side.

Because refraction is not modelled, the sighting line is lowered ~30mm. With the 25 deg slope to the glass, this gives the Fw in FB the _worst_ view for the pilot while shooting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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I'd take the gunsight view from a Fw-190 over the one from the P-47D10 any day of the week month or year! I contend that the two earlier P-47s are the worst views in FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

One of the reasons that the FW gunsight issue fascinated me and still does is because it's as if nobody ever noticed some of the restricted views from other gunsights (a couple early Russian aircraft come to mind), but instead it's a constant litany about the FW's gunsight view.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well those other a/c had historically restricted gunsight sighting views.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif Now if the 'sighting view' would be in its historical place, ~30mm higher, the Fw family of a/c would be even better 'shooters' with 2 or 3 degrees more for deflection shooting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Be thankful those Fw aces don't have that increase.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Obw, the 190 always had a teardrop canopy.

Il2pongo
04-06-2004, 04:44 PM
Or dont sweat it and turn off the cockpit like the developers obviosly did when they tested the thing.

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Chuck_Older
04-06-2004, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dahdah:

Well those other a/c had historically restricted gunsight sighting views.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif Now if the 'sighting view' would be in its historical place, ~30mm higher, the Fw family of a/c would be even better 'shooters' with 2 or 3 degrees more for deflection shooting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Be thankful those Fw aces don't have that increase.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Obw, the 190 _always_ had a teardrop canopy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Yes, I know the 190 always had a teardrop canopy...I was comparing it to the 109 when I said that the 190 "got a teardrop canopy". Maybe I made a typo, and typed "190" when I meant "109"? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


By "restricted" I do not mean "accurately restricted" or "historically restricted" I mean Restricted as in "I can't see through it well" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I also do not contend that what you say about that is untrue, but by "worst" I don't mean to indicate "inaccurately modelled", I mean "worst to look through" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Certainly the historically accurate restricted view in a razorback P-47 is more of an impediment to gunnery than the mistakenly mis-modelled, historically inaccurate FW-190's gunsight is. The average player both doesn't know, and doesn't care about, what is accurate and what isn't; he or she wants a good view through the sight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Rivercube
04-06-2004, 04:52 PM
Hi Crazyivan1970,

thanks for your reply, but thats what i exactly do...zoom out and dive below the enemy pull up and fire.

And its right, most time i hit him :-).

What i mean is, that sometimes you are so low, that you cant dive below the enemy...or your dive angle is too steep. Then you have to make a deflection shot. Or your enemy recognises you and turns..there is almost no chance for defl. shot on him.

I dont know where you come from, but if you have the possibility to sit in a 190 do it.
Then you know what i mean. You can see the front of the nose!!

Regards

Rivercube

crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 04:58 PM
With my height i`ll probably will see landing gear lol. I wonder if there is FW somewhere in NY/NJ/PA area, i`d go.

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-06-2004, 05:00 PM
When is that Reading air show? Or is it over already? lol

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crazyivan1970
04-06-2004, 05:11 PM
http://www.maam.org/wwii/wwsched.html

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

zugfuhrer
04-07-2004, 11:38 AM
Ivan can u send me a track of the b&z where you comes up from below.
I have tried that on AI-oponent and they arnt fooled by that sort of tricks.
They have a 6:th sense of where you are. With perfect timing they make a manouvre at the split of a second when you hit the trigger.
But as lithe as an eel it wiggles to the perfect position outside the trajectories.