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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:16 AM
It is too fast, it never overheats, it sucks up .50 cals of three P47s, climbs too fast, dives at Mach 1 and other planes explode when you sneeze at them.

Why can't I kill it in my Hurri or P40 ?

Please, fix it !

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:16 AM
It is too fast, it never overheats, it sucks up .50 cals of three P47s, climbs too fast, dives at Mach 1 and other planes explode when you sneeze at them.

Why can't I kill it in my Hurri or P40 ?

Please, fix it !

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:26 AM
I can kill it, flying the P-40 - Online./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:27 AM
good post hristos!

finally the bird is just like it should be!

fast, nice high speed maneuvering, might roll a bit fast though....

but, it is right there now....after 2 years of incessant whining it is finally a decent plane.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:30 AM
Hristos wrote:
- It is too fast, it never overheats, it sucks up .50
- cals of three P47s, climbs too fast, dives at Mach 1
- and other planes explode when you sneeze at them.
-
- Why can't I kill it in my Hurri or P40 ?
-
- Please, fix it !


Dont know if it's to fast I never have trouble catching it I also dont have a problem out turning it but if YOU would try to shoot one down you will see that it is over done in the DM.

And when you do try it do so with 50cals not the 37mm then you can repost with a real idea of how bad it is.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
08-22-2003, 09:35 AM
The FW190 spits fire and smoke easily, especially Dora-Versions. I killed FWs online with P40 and Hurris. It's all a question of tactics, IMHO.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:46 AM
I'm getting addicted to the A9, with wing cannons.

Flight model is really challenging but I am enjoying it.

I get taken out on a regular basis by LA7's, P39's etc.
Perhaps because I'm such a lousy pilot!

If I get the evasive manouvurs right I can take a lot of shots. But the performance does suffer.

Managed to fly it with one wing on a DF server Wednesday night. Gained altitude and made a 270 degree turn towards base.

Tried to bail but the model now seems to take into account spins when bailing (perhaps it did before) so I went down with it.

Curious thing is when I replayed the track it swapped the wings!

michapma
08-22-2003, 09:48 AM
pourshot, shoot for the wings and cockpit/engine area, you'll have more success than in the fuselage.

I tried ground attack with an A5 last night. Even with combat flaps, low power/airspeed and trim adjustments it was downright hard to keep it steady enough to hit trucks (convergence at 200m). All 3 axes are just extremely responsive.

Cheers,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:50 AM
The only thing i really dislike about the 190 right now...is it's rollrate.
I was on a 190's six and he was jinking and rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling some more. I couldn't get a shot on him. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:54 AM
Actually, I have unloaded about a hundred of so 0.50 cal rounds into a FW-190 before it went down before. Got the track too, the plane looks like a pin cushion with Arcade=1.

Not that it really matters though. What with the mess of this last patch, I've given up on FB for the time being.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 09:54 AM
michapma wrote:
- pourshot, shoot for the wings and cockpit/engine
- area, you'll have more success than in the fuselage.

Exactly!

All 3 - axes are just extremely responsive.


And then some!
Takes a lot of patience and nerve to fly it anywhere near well IMHO.

Especially with that wing drop!

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:01 AM
pourshot wrote:
- if YOU would try to shoot one down you will
- see that it is over done in the DM.
-
- And when you do try it do so with 50cals not the
- 37mm then you can repost with a real idea of how bad
- it is.

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sometimes it helps to aim...
do not say the DM is overdone if you are unable to aim.

if the guns are into optimal range than you'll have to push the trigger about secend to kill it.

but if you guys shoot at distancesc 200m and more it's your fault.



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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:06 AM
Hristos wrote:
- It is too fast, it never overheats, it sucks up .50
- cals of three P47s, climbs too fast, dives at Mach 1
- and other planes explode when you sneeze at them.
-
- Why can't I kill it in my Hurri or P40 ?
-
- Please, fix it !
-
- there

Are you High ???

It is not overmodled there dialing it in closer to what she should be im positive in the final patch it will find a perfect ballance of lethal killing power, rollrate, Acceleration,Top end speed

PS I killed a fw190a4 with my Huricane fieldmod

actualy ive killed plenty of them

Try again !!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:11 AM
I don't know if FW.190-As are now overmodelled.
BUT I can tell you this: before "discovering" IL-2-FB, I was playing with Combat Flight Simulator 3.
In CFS3, FW190A is just like how FW190A was in IL-2-FB BEFORE the patch. That is, it can't turn, has a "heavy nose", it rolls crazy and no way use it in a dogfight, just to B'n'Z.
Now we have in FB some FW190-As which behave in a completely different way and look like a more sensitive Yak9.
Is it realistic? I have no idea, since I've never piloted such birds (the real ones, I mean!!), but two weeks ago I had the same plane on 2 different sims behaving 90% the same, and now we have 2 completely different planes bearing the same name... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:14 AM
Yea, I know of all those 190 historical fame, that Channel front dominance in 1942, it might have shot Chuck Yeager and such - but I want to kill it in my 1940 Hurri.


Come on, guys, make this bad dream go away !

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:23 AM
B16Enk wrote:

- I get taken out on a regular basis by LA7's, P39's
- etc.
- Perhaps because I'm such a lousy pilot!

I've experienced your lousy piloting skills up close.. normally ends in your prop slicing me up!! LOL

Hehehehehe LA7 (used to rock) I love the LA7 just less now the patch has been released. It's high speed, low altitude maneouvres are a nightmare. I've put in a request with the ground engineers to strap 2 machine guns and 2 planks of balsa wood to a washing machine and launch me from 10,000ft. I'm sure it would have a better FM than the LA7. LOL (don't mistake this for whining.) I'm always happy to fly what I'm given and after all with so many planes to go at I'm just spoilt for choice!)

- If I get the evasive manouvurs right I can take a
- lot of shots. But the performance does suffer.
-
- Managed to fly it with one wing on a DF server
- Wednesday night. Gained altitude and made a 270
- degree turn towards base.
-
- Tried to bail but the model now seems to take into
- account spins when bailing (perhaps it did before)
- so I went down with it.

I think there has been an improvement in sticky cockpit covers not allowing bails!

- Curious thing is when I replayed the track it
- swapped the wings!

LOL

BTW, Is Arcade=1 the setting for unrealistic gunnery?

A9 = Howitzer with wings!


BBloke

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:26 AM
ToP_BlackSheep wrote:
-
- pourshot wrote:
-- if YOU would try to shoot one down you will
-- see that it is over done in the DM.
--
-- And when you do try it do so with 50cals not the
-- 37mm then you can repost with a real idea of how bad
-- it is.
-
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- sometimes it helps to aim...
- do not say the DM is overdone if you are unable to
- aim.
-
- if the guns are into optimal range than you'll have
- to push the trigger about secend to kill it.
-
- but if you guys shoot at distancesc 200m and more
- it's your fault.
-
LOL you have no idea /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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michapma
08-22-2003, 10:28 AM
Hristos, look in your sig, you did hit it. See, it's bleeding. And the cowl flaps are all the way open, so it must have engine damage! So is that a Hurri pilot doing the victory clutch???

Taking out the 190 is easy! Just jam the throttle and shoot at that bad boy and the pilot will spin it into the ground guarateed or your money back!! I could show you some tricks how to fly the Hurri faster than the Butchburdy, and it will NOT overheat!!! JUST THINK OF IT! The 190 sux man.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:37 AM
michapma wrote:
- Hristos, look in your sig, you did hit it. See, it's
- bleeding. And the cowl flaps are all the way open,
- so it must have engine damage! So is that a Hurri
- pilot doing the victory clutch???
-
- Taking out the 190 is easy! Just jam the throttle
- and shoot at that bad boy and the pilot will spin it
- into the ground guarateed or your money back!! I
- could show you some tricks how to fly the Hurri
- faster than the Butchburdy, and it will NOT
- overheat!!! JUST THINK OF IT! The 190 sux man.
-

That is Hristo Stoickov, a world famous 190 whiner. He whines about undermodelled 190, of course.

Fact is, 190 now is too good now, it renders planes like I-16, P11c and Hurri obsolete. This has to stop !

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:51 AM
I dont notice any of these complaints. FW-190 was a VERY TOUGH aircraft (well at least the A series) as all radial engine aircraft in general were. It did dive very well, but remember Soviet aircraft could not. You CAN dive with it in a P-39 or a P-47. Yes you can take them down with .50 cals. You need to use convergance. I have no problem popping them with my 37MM's, and I do often. The key is AIM!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:52 AM
As a FB newbie but avid military historian what struck me about the FB1.0 FW190 is that it didn't seem like the plane that struck fear into the hearts of Allied pilots who first saw it. The FB1.1b Fw190 seems to resemble that plane a bit more, IMO

Since I never flew a FW190 of any sort of actual combat situation I can't make any claims about the FM, However I have driven sports cars quite a bit. I currently own a modified 1972 Porsche 911E and an almost stock 2002 Subaru WRX. On paper the power/weight ratio and lateral Gs are similar. So given equal drivers they should preform sililarily but they dont. Sometime the 911 will pull out of a corner faster other times the WRX. Although numbers don't lie, they tell only half the story,

I have both downed a 1.1b fW190 in a Yak3 with ammo to spare and been downed by a yak while flying a new fw in its first burst.I like the new FW190s, so much so that I actually fly them now

Finally, could anyone tell me the advantage/disadvantages beteewn the A4/5 ans A8/A9, and how usefull is an F8 in a DF, remember I'm still a newbie

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 10:59 AM
What are you talking about?
I think U2 with its machine gun should be more than enough to render 190 useless. Its also superior for fishing because its slow speed and because there is no canopy.


Hristos wrote:

- That is Hristo Stoickov, a world famous 190 whiner.
- He whines about undermodelled 190, of course.
-
- Fact is, 190 now is too good now, it renders planes
- like I-16, P11c and Hurri obsolete. This has to stop
- !

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:03 AM
I dont fly 190's often, but this is what I know. The A4/5 are lighter and turn better. The A8/9 have more hitting power and armor and more engine power and faster but cant turn as well. F8 is ground attack, and D9 is very light and fast but has a vulnerable engine. The A4/5's are nice, but you dont want to get into a turn fight with any Soviet fighter, and they dont have the get-away power you need in late war servers. Stick with A8/9's for late war servers, or a D9 if you want to B&Z and generally annoy the hell out of your targets. Damn I hate D9's. Little wussies. Anyone who fly's them is just a chicken wearing leather and a flight mask.

Gib

MZ6 wrote:

- Finally, could anyone tell me the
- advantage/disadvantages beteewn the A4/5 ans A8/A9,
- and how usefull is an F8 in a DF, remember I'm still
- a newbie
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:32 AM
gorillasika wrote:

-- Fact is, 190 now is too good now, it renders planes
-- like I-16, P11c and Hurri obsolete. This has to stop

What!!?? That must be a joke right? I'm Polish and I had a Great Uncle who initially flew a Pzl p11, then a Hurricane in the RAF, In hus opinion ( which I will tend to believe over any PC fighter jock ) the Bf109E4 outclassed them both, let alone a FW190.

Why else during the BoB were Hurricanes relgated to attacking bombers while Spitfire took on the 109s?

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 11:59 AM
MZ6 wrote:
-
- gorillasika wrote:
-
--- Fact is, 190 now is too good now, it renders planes
--- like I-16, P11c and Hurri obsolete. This has to stop
-
- What!!?? That must be a joke right? I'm Polish and I
- had a Great Uncle who initially flew a Pzl p11, then
- a Hurricane in the RAF, In hus opinion ( which I
- will tend to believe over any PC fighter jock ) the
- Bf109E4 outclassed them both, let alone a FW190.
-
- Why else during the BoB were Hurricanes relgated to
- attacking bombers while Spitfire took on the 109s?
-


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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:15 PM
so it was a joke, I did in infact ask

- MZ6 wrote:

-- What!!?? That must be a joke right?

In retrospect, it should've been obvoius, hope I don't seem like too much of a schmuck.

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:23 PM
I think all planes are a bit arcadish after 1.1b - you can´t stall or spin anymore.

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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:23 PM
Overmoldelled my ***!! Always something to complain about when you always get outflown by someone:0

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:39 PM
BBloke wrote:
-
- B16Enk wrote:
-
-- I get taken out on a regular basis by LA7's, P39's
-- etc.
-- Perhaps because I'm such a lousy pilot!
-
- I've experienced your lousy piloting skills up
- close.. normally ends in your prop slicing me up!!
- LOL

Thats only because you close your eyes on those head ons!
And if the flash of eight cannons is causing it can I suggest tinted lenses?

Got some smoked Milk bottles to hand......./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

- Hehehehehe LA7 (used to rock) I love the LA7 just
- less now the patch has been released. It's high
- speed, low altitude maneouvres are a nightmare.
- I've put in a request with the ground engineers to
- strap 2 machine guns and 2 planks of balsa wood to a
- washing machine and launch me from 10,000ft. I'm
- sure it would have a better FM than the LA7. LOL
- (don't mistake this for whining.) I'm always happy
- to fly what I'm given and after all with so many
- planes to go at I'm just spoilt for choice!)

There was a post a few days ago where they appeared to be modelling you washing machine for you!
Just at outline stage at the moment - very cubist /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

-
- BTW, Is Arcade=1 the setting for unrealistic
- gunnery?
-
- A9 = Howitzer with wings!

Actually it's more like four howitzers strapped together, with wings!
The recoil is very dramatic and makes for some spray!

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:51 PM
- Thats only because you close your eyes on those head
- ons!
- And if the flash of eight cannons is causing it can
- I suggest tinted lenses?

And remove my hand from the joystick in shear dred of whats to come. I have some shades but then I really wouldnt be able to see anything.

- Actually it's more like four howitzers strapped
- together, with wings!
- The recoil is very dramatic and makes for some
- spray!

With my meagre resolution the smoke just about fills the whole screen, when I'm doing the shooting and being shot at. There's no saving me!!


BBloke

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 12:53 PM
My my how the tables turn, before all you heard about was the LA-7 being overmodeled and not over heating etc etc etc. Now with the tone down aircraft from the patch all the other planes that weren't so hot are now better not overmodelled.

Oh for the arcade question. No arcade 1 turns on the white spots where you can see your hits on a plane and the blow up boxes of the pilot yelling one thing or another. To turn on realistic gunnery thats under the diffacult settings where you turn on or off everything else.

May you not become a dirt torpedo.


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XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 01:07 PM
Hristos wrote:
- Fact is, 190 now is too good now, it renders planes
- like I-16, P11c and Hurri obsolete. This has to stop

Yeah absolutely! How dare they?

Nic

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 01:10 PM
MZ6 wrote:
- I currently own a modified 1972 Porsche 911E

Lucky man! I'd love a 1968/69 one, but 1972 is close enough.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 01:12 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Damn I hate D9's. Little wussies. Anyone who fly's them
- is just a chicken wearing leather and a flight mask.

I think the allied pilots hated them too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Allo allo meet Gerhard Barkhorn and his D9. Scary thought.

By the way the A4/A5 were extremely good planes too. don't remember they were deemed superior to contemporary spitfires.

Hubert Strassl got 30 victories in 4 days in the battle of Kursk with his A4!

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/Strassl.htm

Nic

Message Edited on 08/22/0302:28PM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
08-22-2003, 02:11 PM
Good one Hristos, but be careful, Oleg will probably take this seriously as he is not too good at recognizing sarcasm.
Still funny though.

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