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F19_Ob
03-21-2004, 05:20 AM
As U know, all ac in FB have simplified flightmodels, out of nescessity.
There wouldnt be a fb community if only few had time to learn.


I greatly enjoyed thr FB Gladiator, and as a small thanx to the creators, including mr Haddock and mr Orheim, I have gathered this small ammount of "quickinfo" for the community to share.
The info comes from various books and tv-interviews as well as an article in "Aeroplane" march 2001 "Flying the gladiator" by shuttleworthpilot D.Mackay.



1 Takeoff: Throttle up slowly. There is a risk off an uncontrollable swing

to the right if tail is raised too early. (not in fb) Generally be carefull on ground.

2 Liftoff at 55kt= 105 km/h and at safe hight climb is continued at 95kt=about 180-90 km/h.

3 The Gladiator had an extra small fueltank for takeoffs and landings in case of enginepump failiure, with 30 mins of fuel (switches automatically in fb)

4 Maneuvers. If U fly correctly, loops and barrelrolls are ok but avoid all negative g maneuvers or u will flood the engine and and lead to the "rich cut" and stop the engine.
Rapid throttlemovements will also overfuel the engine and lead to "rich cut". The only solution when this happens is to throttle down and wait for the engine to clear (30 secs) and then slowly throttle up again.
Most rich cut features are not modeled in FB and if the engine stops u just have to restart it again (10 secs). In FB negative maneuvers actually can be performed but the engine will cough and eventually stop.

5 "Loop and climb" directly after takeoff. U might want to try this.
Takeoff and when u reach 120-140km/h do a halfloop and roll level and another halfloop and continue in this manner to 18000 feet. Skilled Gladiatorpilots could do this in RL. It works too but I haven't tried it to such hights.


6 Landings are problematic and made into wind. Crosswinds are very difficult. Go arounds are dangerous bcause of the risk of overfueling the engine with quick throttlemovements and cause rich cut.
It was said that if u haven't groundlooped the gladiator yet, U will soon.(no problems in fb though)



7 Final note.
In RL it had fantastic maneuverability and it have so in FB too.



Cheers

F19_Ob
03-21-2004, 05:20 AM
As U know, all ac in FB have simplified flightmodels, out of nescessity.
There wouldnt be a fb community if only few had time to learn.


I greatly enjoyed thr FB Gladiator, and as a small thanx to the creators, including mr Haddock and mr Orheim, I have gathered this small ammount of "quickinfo" for the community to share.
The info comes from various books and tv-interviews as well as an article in "Aeroplane" march 2001 "Flying the gladiator" by shuttleworthpilot D.Mackay.



1 Takeoff: Throttle up slowly. There is a risk off an uncontrollable swing

to the right if tail is raised too early. (not in fb) Generally be carefull on ground.

2 Liftoff at 55kt= 105 km/h and at safe hight climb is continued at 95kt=about 180-90 km/h.

3 The Gladiator had an extra small fueltank for takeoffs and landings in case of enginepump failiure, with 30 mins of fuel (switches automatically in fb)

4 Maneuvers. If U fly correctly, loops and barrelrolls are ok but avoid all negative g maneuvers or u will flood the engine and and lead to the "rich cut" and stop the engine.
Rapid throttlemovements will also overfuel the engine and lead to "rich cut". The only solution when this happens is to throttle down and wait for the engine to clear (30 secs) and then slowly throttle up again.
Most rich cut features are not modeled in FB and if the engine stops u just have to restart it again (10 secs). In FB negative maneuvers actually can be performed but the engine will cough and eventually stop.

5 "Loop and climb" directly after takeoff. U might want to try this.
Takeoff and when u reach 120-140km/h do a halfloop and roll level and another halfloop and continue in this manner to 18000 feet. Skilled Gladiatorpilots could do this in RL. It works too but I haven't tried it to such hights.


6 Landings are problematic and made into wind. Crosswinds are very difficult. Go arounds are dangerous bcause of the risk of overfueling the engine with quick throttlemovements and cause rich cut.
It was said that if u haven't groundlooped the gladiator yet, U will soon.(no problems in fb though)



7 Final note.
In RL it had fantastic maneuverability and it have so in FB too.



Cheers

LEXX_Luthor
03-21-2004, 05:24 AM
Thanks. I will experiment with softer throttle~ups.

It ~is~ very maneuverable. Awsum

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Capt_Haddock
03-21-2004, 06:33 AM
These are excellent pilot's notes. Thanks a lot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

About the extra fuel tank I'm not sure how exactly it has been inplemented in the game, but we did discuss with Oleg. Bjorn Orheim has tons of information on the subject. Apparently it was a simple "gravity-drained" auxiliar tank added by the Swedish engineers on top of the main tank, and unique to the J8 and J8A.

The plan for FB was to let the fuel drain from this tank first and them move automatically to the main tank. The fuel gauge should only start moving after the auxiliar tank was empty. But I could be wrong. I'm sure Orheim knows exactly how it all works http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks again.

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DeerHunterUK
03-21-2004, 06:36 AM
Just what I needed thanx!!! Now that I've got AEP installed I can now go grab those Glad skins. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Cheers Haddock!

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F19_Ob
03-21-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
These are excellent pilot's notes. Thanks a lot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

About the extra fuel tank I'm not sure how exactly it has been inplemented in the game, but we did discuss with Oleg. Bjorn Orheim has tons of information on the subject. Apparently it was a simple "gravity-drained" auxiliar tank added by the Swedish engineers on top of the main tank, and unique to the J8 and J8A.

The plan for FB was to let the fuel drain from this tank first and them move automatically to the main tank. The fuel gauge should only start moving after the auxiliar tank was empty. But I could be wrong. I'm sure Orheim knows exactly how it all works http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks again.

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It had a 20 gal gravity tank 30 min fuel.

The "Shuttleworth G-AMRK gladiator" in the article is really a hybrid combining L8032 the last gladiator1, with the mercury VIII engine from another gladiatorII but have the old wooden propeller and reduction gearing.
So if this extra tank was standard on early models I cant say...but Ive seen it mentioned in other articles.

cheers