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Steaky_361st
04-16-2004, 09:38 PM
I flew a Coop with my buddies last night, and I found my Bf109F4 to be almost flying in God Mode. I say this because after a long struggle, I was the only Blue left against about 4-5 Spitfires/Hurricanes. I agree that I should have fell to my watery grave. However, on my long run home, they kept nailing me almost perfectly with most of every shot they fired.

However, Praying to God for my trusty steed to stay together, I was somehow able to out run the four of them back to my base and do some turning, all the while losing my rudder and getting about as many holes in the 109 as is possible in this game. I eventually ran them out of ammo and landed crookedly on my home field.

I must have taken 50-75 (At least) rounds of 20mm, plus countless 12.7mm and .30 cal rounds.

It just seems to me that either there is a DM glitch on the F4 or the weapons need some strengthening.

(This will be my only suggestion, as it is near impossible to improve FB anymore from what it already is)

Steaky

Steaky_361st
04-16-2004, 09:38 PM
I flew a Coop with my buddies last night, and I found my Bf109F4 to be almost flying in God Mode. I say this because after a long struggle, I was the only Blue left against about 4-5 Spitfires/Hurricanes. I agree that I should have fell to my watery grave. However, on my long run home, they kept nailing me almost perfectly with most of every shot they fired.

However, Praying to God for my trusty steed to stay together, I was somehow able to out run the four of them back to my base and do some turning, all the while losing my rudder and getting about as many holes in the 109 as is possible in this game. I eventually ran them out of ammo and landed crookedly on my home field.

I must have taken 50-75 (At least) rounds of 20mm, plus countless 12.7mm and .30 cal rounds.

It just seems to me that either there is a DM glitch on the F4 or the weapons need some strengthening.

(This will be my only suggestion, as it is near impossible to improve FB anymore from what it already is)

Steaky

VW-IceFire
04-16-2004, 10:00 PM
Several things at work here:

1) The DM's are being worked on...right now everything is too strong.

2) Lag is a major factor in some cases...and packet loss in others.

3) Spitfires have a limited amount of 20mm cannon fire (60 rpg) and neither Spitfire nor Hurricane (none of the ones we have) have 12.7mm rounds. So all of the red tracers were .303's. Unless those hit critical components they aren't going to do much in the realm of structural damage. Some but minor...

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BuzzU
04-16-2004, 10:03 PM
I wouldn't expect that all the time. I find the F4 easy to kill. Something weird was going on with yours.

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WUAF_Badsight
04-16-2004, 10:39 PM
Bf-109s do have a measure of resistance to bullets from dead six level

& are super susceptible to any bullets from an angle

crazyivan1970
04-17-2004, 12:43 AM
God mode not for long...trust me.

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Kurfurst__
04-17-2004, 05:11 AM
Yes Ivan is right... it`s a known issue (w all planes) and is/being fixed.

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p1ngu666
04-17-2004, 08:26 AM
k4 can seem ironlike at times. also it was the field mod hurri, so 20shvak and 12.7 brezin i think.
i was there but quit after i did a headon with ace ai :\
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Willey
04-17-2004, 09:32 AM
I've filled a P-63 with a rock stable 2s burst of a single MK 108. It was a pure hit at below 100m range. I'd say all shells hit, 'cos that damn thing didn't evade. You must know, with 660rpg a MK 108 shells out 22 grenades in 2 seconds. It was flying on without a single scratch Shortly after I went off my trigger, I pulled it again, and it's right wing went off with the very first hit. I told him what I saw and he said: "I didn't even notice you were there until my wing broke off". WTF I thought... he didn't notice for ~3secs that I filled his crate with ~20 30mm rounds???

I bet, this is a netcode (anti cheat stuff) issue, and it's going to be fixed in the upcoming patch. As Ivan said. Furthermore I heard Oleg said something about a HE bug not doing "splash damage" or something like that at ICAS. So let's wait till we have this patch before "whining" about any gun issues http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Steaky_361st
04-17-2004, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
3) Spitfires have a limited amount of 20mm cannon fire (60 rpg) and neither Spitfire nor Hurricane (none of the ones we have) have 12.7mm rounds. So all of the red tracers were .303's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The hurricanes were the Mk11B Field Models...they have two 12.7mm UBS (white tracers) in addition to the 2 20mms

Steaky

KaRaYa-X
04-18-2004, 04:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I've filled a P-63 with a rock stable 2s burst of a single MK 108. It was a pure hit at below 100m range. I'd say all shells hit, 'cos that damn thing didn't evade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not an online-only issue! Try it offline and see how many 30mm shells the P63 can handle. If you're lucky you might hit the engine or the pilot but in all other cases the Kingcobra seems to take endless amounts of bullets... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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crazyivan1970
04-18-2004, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KaRaYa-X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I've filled a P-63 with a rock stable 2s burst of a single MK 108. It was a pure hit at below 100m range. I'd say all shells hit, 'cos that damn thing didn't evade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not an online-only issue! Try it offline and see how many 30mm shells the P63 can handle. If you're lucky you might hit the engine or the pilot but in all other cases the Kingcobra seems to take endless amounts of bullets... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

-- flying online as JG=52Karaya-X --<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oleg is aware of that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

KaRaYa-X
04-18-2004, 06:43 AM
Good to hear that Ivan! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

I hope he also knows about the Spitfire, P51, Yak9U being almost immune to 20mm (in the same sense that the Kingcobra is immune to 20/30mm).

All of these birds are also pretty tough when it comes to 30mm (Spitfire the least though, but P51 and Yak9U can take quite a beating). 5 shells are "normal" for these bricks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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crazyivan1970
04-18-2004, 07:03 AM
As i mentioned before, we are up for the big surprize, across the board http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

KIMURA
04-18-2004, 07:10 AM
Sorry guys, but if you're in trouble shooting down a Bf109 you should either learn how to shoot or better leave the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

The 109 - all variants - is a very EASY target, that easy that I could shoot 11 within 75 minutes lasting dogfight. If you can't manage to shoot down 2 Bf109 while flying the Spit during a sortie (Online) you do need some serious flying training. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

There's surely no need for a DM fix.

Kimura

kubanloewe
04-18-2004, 07:17 AM
damage or destroy a 109 is one of the easiest thing in this game; I´m just wonder.....

There are some other flying Tanks in the Game which are better armored than a IL2...f.e. P63,P51,P38,Yak9u,spit´s

just wondering how a single hit makes the TA152 or FW 190 nearly unflyable !

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KaRaYa-X
04-18-2004, 08:12 AM
An addition to this "Bf109 too strong" debate:

Normally I fly the K4 or the G2 online(if it's a 1942 server) but yesterday when I joined one of my squad mates' server I decided to give the P51 a try. I set my convergence up to 180m and took off, heading for the enemy base.

When I was there I saw a K4 several 100m below me and went into a dive. I waited till I was close to approx. 250-300m and started shooting. My 1 sec burst immediately set the K4 on fire.
Only 1 minute later another K came into the area and I decided to engage it. Same tactic, same result...
I bounced it from above and got it's engine smoking heavily. As it was already damaged I turned on its six and shot it up.
Another 2 minutes the same... and so on

Does this seem like the Bf109s are too strong? I don't think so... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
Oh and if you don't believe my story I do have an eye-witness: "LoneVolfen" was there (don't know if he has a board account) and saw me wiping the floor with these planes.

for the kids: set up convergence, get in real close, fire
those 50CAL murder weapons are good as is - no need to "balance" (meaning making them EVEN better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif) them...

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KaRaYa-X
04-18-2004, 08:17 AM
Maybe my squad mate (MadAdler) has saved an ntrk file. I still have to ask him about that

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KIMURA
04-18-2004, 09:24 AM
KaRaYa, there are numerous a/c which rather needs a serious alignment of the DM than the 109.

And for the Fw190, it's actually too fragile. (no I don't fly 190, it's my impression I got, while I fly duels against it) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kimura

crazyivan1970
04-18-2004, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
KaRaYa, there are numerous a/c which rather needs a serious alignment of the DM than the 109.

And for the Fw190, it's actually too fragile. (no I don't fly 190, it's my impression I got, while I fly duels against it) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kimura<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think 190 Is too frigile KIMURA? Versus what weapon? Just curious.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Steaky_361st
04-18-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
Sorry guys, but if you're in trouble shooting down a Bf109 you should either learn how to shoot or better leave the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

The 109 - all variants - is a very EASY target, that easy that I could shoot 11 within 75 minutes lasting dogfight. If you can't manage to shoot down 2 Bf109 while flying the Spit during a sortie (Online) you do need some serious flying training.
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Theres no need for insults...Read my original post dude. Gunnery here is not the issue. I was getting hit...like at least 50-75 (Probably more) times by 20mm plus a ton others by the .30 cal and 12.7mm.

The hits were all over the plane (Wing tips, Wing Root, Tail, Fuselage, Engine). Like I said before, when I landed my AC was full of holes in about every possible place possible in the game and my engine was smoking badly and I lost my rudder....

I agree that the 109 is usually an easy target, but I noticed this and thought I would bring it to attention, even though we all know that the DMs are getting fixed.

Steaky

[This message was edited by Steaky_361st on Sun April 18 2004 at 09:22 AM.]

KIMURA
04-18-2004, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
KaRaYa, there are numerous a/c which rather needs a serious alignment of the DM than the 109.

And for the Fw190, it's actually too fragile. (no I don't fly 190, it's my impression I got, while I fly duels against it) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kimura<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think 190 Is too frigile KIMURA? Versus what weapon? Just curious.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CrazyIvan, the 190 is too fragile to 0.5" and other small calibre arms. It's loosing too rapide on speed and handling ability. It's control surfaces is too prone for damage of light calibres. Of the 3-some 190,109 and Spitfire the 190 is the most vlnearble a/c, even in the beta.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That's a joke.

Instead of considering too much attention at those whiners who don't have a clue how to shoot down a/c, developer rather should fix real bugs and DM which are well known as buggy, such as P-39, LaGG-3 and some Yaks AND for sure the fixing of the damage pontentiual of 20mm shells. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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KIMURA
04-18-2004, 12:06 PM
I would bet my income, that most of the whiners haven't a shot/hit ratio of lesser than 2% - online. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kimura

Steaky_361st
04-18-2004, 12:45 PM
Ill stay out of this one....Flame wars arent my thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Steaky

[This message was edited by Steaky_361st on Sun April 18 2004 at 11:55 AM.]

crazyivan1970
04-18-2004, 01:02 PM
Ok KIMURA, but why do you think it should be 50 cals resistent?
Not picking on you by all means, just curious.

Steaky, come on man. This is not flame war. I`m just gonna ask KIMURA to chose his words wisely, ok KIMURA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Boandlgramer
04-18-2004, 01:34 PM
said kimura " .50 cal resistent " ?


sometimes its very hard to say, how much gunfire is needed to bring down a AC.
sometimes few rounds and another time you need your whoule ammo, but still not going down.
don´t know why. maybe the well know Netmonster.
i am flying almost every plane in the game,
online as well. so i could say,it happens to ALL planes.

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KIMURA
04-19-2004, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Ok KIMURA, but why do you think it should be 50 cals resistent?
Not picking on you by all means, just curious.

Steaky, come on man. This is not flame war. I`m just gonna ask KIMURA to chose his words wisely, ok KIMURA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I don't need a teacher who says how I should take words, and I didn't start a flame. I'm just tired of neewbies who pop in and whine about LW a/c who seems to be too strong.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

I fly both sides Ivan, and I do tell U every Blue a/c is easier to shoot down than a RED. That's not a whine, that's my experience.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

edit:
Example 0.5" Crazyivan. The 0.5" (US) is rather known of a shell with good penetration power but with less HE-power - even with late war explosive 0.5 shells, introduced in to action with USAAF. Actually the damage the different calibres can do is porked up. Look at gun camera footages of USAAF. There are really many hits required to shoot down even a 109, many times attacked a/c flying further without taking any serous damage.


Kimura

[This message was edited by KIMURA on Mon April 19 2004 at 11:19 AM.]

johann_thor
04-19-2004, 12:30 PM
i wonder if we will finally get a real 30mm MK108 ..... i gather you have all seen the pics from the RAF tests ..... one hit = one shredded heep of metal

Steaky_361st
04-19-2004, 02:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
Actually I don't need a teacher who says how I should take words, and I didn't start a flame. I'm just tired of neewbies who pop in and whine about LW a/c who seems to be too strong<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I aint a newb dude. Ive played IL2 since it came out, nor am I whining about LW aircraft always seeming too strong. I say again that it was a freak occurance, and I just wanted to ask about it...sheesh

Steaky

Fehler
04-20-2004, 04:21 AM
Well, here is my take on the subject.

First of all, we all know that the DM is a little off right now and is or has been fixed in the patch.

That said, I will also comment on this. I fly all the top B&Z planes - they fit my style. All of them have their strong and weak points. In no way are the 109's hard to kill. If I am faced with a fight against 3 LW in my new "Fun USAAF plane," the P51C I will try and attack the 109's first because I fear their 30mm nose guns the most. Usually a small burst in a deflection anywhere near the nose of the plane and their paper Benz motors will begin to grind fast. Then Ill go for the 190's because they cant even come close to energy fighting the P51 if I can sucker them in one or two turns. This is on-line, and I cant really comment about AI routines.

Now, just yesterday, I was in a 190 against a couple of P51's. Some guy hit me once in my wing. My revi fell of, no surprise here, just another bug that will be fixed. Then he shot and shot and shot and only scored maybe two more hits. The same guy started crying about the 50 cals, even though he was shooting at about 800M and missing. Yet he still crippled me with the 3-4 hits he made, and I was forced to RTB. I was able to land safely even though I had very little control over the plane.

Now how is it that some people think the 50 cal is a magic bullet that can take out an airplane from 800m with 3 bullets in non-critical areas? The 50 was NOT a cannon, it was and still is considered a heavy machine gun. Yes it has good penetration and muzzle velocity, but it is NOT a wonder weapon. Here is a hint.. That's why the US Navy, Air Force, and Marines all wanted a 20MM cannon in their jets after the war, and that's why as WWII went on longer and longer, the US put more and more heavy MG's (50 cals) in thier planes. They werent worried about bomber intercepts like the axis, they wanted fighter support against other fighters. If 1-3 bullets would have been enough, they could have saved a lot of weight using 2 50's instead of six or eight!

Good shooting is required if you want good results. I am not even a good shooter, and I get pleanty of kills when I fly the P51C (Which has 2 less 50's than the P51D!)

Anyways, we need to wait and see what the patch will bring us. But in my thinking, a lot of the sissy-baby-dig-a-hole folks that cry and cry about their guns will find that they still arent hitting no matter what the DM is.

I personally find the guns just somewhat less effective than they were in 1.22. Not a very earth shattering difference in my opinion. I hope Oleg hasnt gone too far to the "Left" after listening to all the crying going on.

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Kasdeya
04-20-2004, 12:05 PM
I am not sure why this thread turned out like this. I was in the very dame coop in a spitfire, and he managed to stay out of my sights until I ran out of ammo(read here as "Kasdeya sucks at shooting down enemies"). I ran home and so did he. On the way though, Steaks picked up a few spits and hurri's. Now this is late in the fight, and the spits didnt have much 20mm left. To my knowledge, while listening on comms, Steaks stayed straight, flew hard, and didnt look back. He kept his distance from the persuers. The allied planes could only get a straight six shot.
He came asking if there was something more to this and some of you came out blasting. Shame on you. I will not flame anyone, you know who you are.
Steaks , if you're finished with this topic let Ivan know so it can be delt with.

I hate posting like this.

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p1ngu666
04-21-2004, 07:21 PM
just tried a il2L online, good fun but 109's where eating those rounds, was laggy mind up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
but i got a great 1shot kill on a ki84c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif. hit wing and it came right off http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
04-23-2004, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:

I fly both sides Ivan, and I do tell U every Blue a/c is easier to shoot down than a RED. That's not a whine, that's my experience.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao i SO agree . . . .

WUAF_Badsight
04-23-2004, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kasdeya:

Now this is late in the fight, and the spits didnt have much 20mm left. To my knowledge, while listening on comms, Steaks stayed straight, flew hard, and didnt look back. He kept his distance from the persuers. The allied planes could only get a straight six shot.
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i said it once ill say it again

Bf-109's do have a measure of strength in the tail

from dead six level is a waste of ammo

but add an angle to the shot & H E L L O

its incredibly easy to smoke Bf-109's

ive downed 4 flying the Mk1 Hurricane & 5 using the MkIIb model on one ammo load flying within coops

crazyivan1970
04-23-2004, 02:05 PM
Bad example Badsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, LOTS of things depence on the pilot. I`d rather be in 109 then in any other bird in the game, no matter what they shoot at me. And in my experiance red side goes down just as good as blue does http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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LeadSpitter_
04-25-2004, 03:49 AM
dont listen to kimura he thinks the ki84 is the only plane modeled correctly in the game.

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Wizard_361st
04-25-2004, 12:03 PM
Steaks you silly man Look what you started
I'll tell you how you servived that fur Ball Cuz i was there and one of the ones trying to take down the last 109
1. you were the Last 109
2. Cuz you were the last 109 we were all very low on ammo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif Having already taken Out 3 to 4 109s each
3. You evasive flying was Great and you were dodging our fire like a pro

But had you run into a fully loaded spit i realy dont think you would have made it Home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

mortoma
04-25-2004, 12:37 PM
Anyone notice that the IL2 is one of the least tough planes now?? The IL2 should be tougher than it is. I can kill them easily with the poorly armed He-162 Volksjager.

WUAF_Badsight
04-25-2004, 10:11 PM
You Bully !

WUAF_Badsight
04-25-2004, 10:14 PM
CrazyIvan ..... the point i was trying to make is that ......

the Bf 109 has a measure of strength in its tail

if your dead six level its a waste of small MG's as they can absorb a lot from dead six level

add a bit of an angle tho & you hit the motor .... hopefully

S77th-brooks
04-26-2004, 12:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
CrazyIvan ..... the point i was trying to make is that ......

the Bf 109 has a measure of strength in its tail

if your dead six level its a waste of small MG's as they can absorb a lot from dead six level

add a bit of an angle tho & you hit the motor .... hopefully<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> think all planes from six clock are hard,your right about 303 been GOOD we were killing PE-8 and taking wings off like 108mk and i was ,my sq mate was bitting to them i was in bf110g2 he was mk1 1941.but 50,s do need work i just get skin damge which sux lol ,but main fear with 50,s is PK or motor damge from head on which i try my best not to do ,but will say P40 still gets good kills ,got me ??these are same 50,s on p40 as p51 are they not?

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biggs222
04-26-2004, 02:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
As i mentioned before, we are up for the big surprize, across the board http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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AAARGH IVAN!!!! I AM WROUGHT WITH SUSPENCE...ITS KILLING ME!!!

S77th-brooks
04-26-2004, 02:59 AM
spitfire V bf109f4 is hard fight with 20mm i know motor is weak spot in spit but with slow rate of fire this is not easy

WOLFMondo
04-26-2004, 03:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
And for the Fw190, it's actually too fragile. (no I don't fly 190, it's my impression I got, while I fly duels against it) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Wasn't the 190's DM changed in the last patch? There pretty tough planes to shoot down but nothing a few concentrated bursts from 6 0.50's can't take care of from the right angle.

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NorrisMcWhirter
04-26-2004, 11:16 AM
I fly both sides Ivan, and I do tell U every Blue a/c is easier to shoot down than a RED. That's not a whine, that's my experience.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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lmao i SO agree . . . .[/QUOTE]

I agree - without doubt, blues are easier to down.

Only the FW190 is relatively tough but a couple of hits and the gunsight will always fall off rendering you as good as useless...and this leads to a tactical problem; with no sight, you have lost the engagement because, as you cannot really run or climb, your only chance is downing them before they down you. With that gone, it's an easy spray and pray 6 shot, or a head on run (no sight, you have to run head on) that will get you in the end.

Fix it, please..otherwise we'll only see allied planes being flown against each other online.

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JG5_UnKle
04-27-2004, 11:46 AM
Another pain with the 190 DM is any damage to the wing (even low cal 7.62-7.9mm) causes massive control losses and makes the 190 very unstable.

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Erbriac
04-27-2004, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG5_UnKle:
Another pain with the 190 DM is any damage to the wing (even low cal 7.62-7.9mm) causes massive control losses and makes the 190 very unstable.

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