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christopher65
06-30-2004, 01:51 AM
Spent ages last night illuminating Bastoigne on the Ardennes map with campfires to make it look like a real town at night. I can tell you it took friggen hours but the results look amazing!!!
Not to bad a hit on fps either,ok for dogfights but no good for dropping bombs! Has anyone done this and to what cities??? Thinking about Berlin!!! Bastiogne took well over 1000 fires to make it look realistic.What would Berlin take!!!!!

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christopher65
06-30-2004, 01:51 AM
Spent ages last night illuminating Bastoigne on the Ardennes map with campfires to make it look like a real town at night. I can tell you it took friggen hours but the results look amazing!!!
Not to bad a hit on fps either,ok for dogfights but no good for dropping bombs! Has anyone done this and to what cities??? Thinking about Berlin!!! Bastiogne took well over 1000 fires to make it look realistic.What would Berlin take!!!!!

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WTE_Galway
06-30-2004, 01:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by christopher65:
Spent ages last night illuminating Bastoigne on the Ardennes map with campfires to make it look like a real town at night. I can tell you it took friggen hours but the results look amazing!!!
Not to bad a hit on fps either,ok for dogfights but no good for dropping bombs! Has anyone done this and to what cities??? Thinking about Berlin!!! Bastiogne took well over 1000 fires to make it look realistic.What would Berlin take!!!!!

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WWII = blitz = blackouts http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IAFS_Painter
06-30-2004, 01:58 AM
That sounds like an interesting exercise ...

Umm - is this illumination to show up bomb damage - and continuing fires?

In which case you only need illuminate damaged areas (Target for tonight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)


If it's for street lighting ... I would think most of Europe was blacked-out during the war ... it may be pretty, but historical?

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christopher65
06-30-2004, 02:28 AM
Poland the night before the attack???? The week before the attack??? France in 1939? Berlin in 1940?? The germans didnt enforce the strict blackout that we had plus it looks cool!!!!

How historical are hoards of GO 22 whatevers flying around?????? Not very - or lots of He126 jet thingys!! Historical accuracy in this sim is a thin line.How many il-185 saw action???

The point of my post was to highlight the possibilities that we have here-endless ones!

SeaFireLIV
06-30-2004, 02:29 AM
No, NO-ONE would have their street lights on during the war. You would be asking to be killed. If in reality someone did put a light on, even an unhidden candle flame, they would be either heavily incarcerated for putting thousands of people in danger or blown up by the enemy!

Still flames would work for already bombed and hit areas OR for Babarossa at the start of the war where Russia were taken by surprise. Lights were probably still on for a few nights after that.

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christopher65
06-30-2004, 02:30 AM
The lights were on in Berlin long after the war started!!!

SeaFireLIV
06-30-2004, 02:35 AM
Sure but they were winning and they didn`t expect to be bombed until they started being bombed. Then the lights went off. Though I was thinking of attacked Countries like the UK and Russia at the beginning. Besides in Fb by the time you got to Berlin in `44 `45 they wouldn`t have lights on, which I think you know anyway and that`s the period we`re on about.

Nub_322Sqn
06-30-2004, 03:17 AM
Same here in Holland during the occupation, everybody was ordered to blind the windows and if light was peeking through you either got shot right away or send off to a labor camp, and if you where extremely lucky you got a warning.

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christopher65
06-30-2004, 03:32 AM
Sure-I accept that its not historicaly accurate but sure looks good!!!!!!! Go on give it a go!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Longjocks
06-30-2004, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by christopher65:
Sure-I accept that its not historicaly accurate but sure looks good!!!!!!! Go on give it a go!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only aesthetic that most care about around here is whether a plane has the precisely correct roundels or if every cockpit lever/dial is modelled correctly within 0.0012mm.

I'm not likely to find the time to do this personally, although it sounds cool. Could you post some screens?

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ruf9ii
06-30-2004, 04:36 AM
i say good on u chris. actually, i was thinking of doing the same thing just last night! then like everyone else i thought it would be unhistorical. i still reckon it'd be pretty cool tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CD_Turbo
06-30-2004, 04:39 AM
hello!

I've been lighting up cities a long time, the idea with the lights is to show the bombers a target at night, don't need lots of campfires.
But pu tthem in clusters instead.

The idea is to make a city look like its burning when its dark, you put trucks around buildings and a target thats 50% to win the mission.
The heinkels then area bomb the burning city and create firestorms.
People love it!

If you guys come to the coop and see me there then you can play the Bomb Norway mission.
It can take 28 people and with my connection (LAN 10mbit) thats no problem , people have a average ping of 36-80, then we'll area bomb the coast city of kristiansund.
Heinkels, hurris and escort.
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christopher65
06-30-2004, 04:43 AM
Thanks.See you on the UBI lobby often.Next time i'll ask you to put it up! The effect of "street lighting" makes low level passes awesome!! Plus you cant see the barrage balloon cables!!Nice!!!

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christopher65
06-30-2004, 04:44 AM
Could work as a low number coop.Will try it later tonight!!

Bakelit
06-30-2004, 04:50 AM
As Nub said, even here in germany there were loud warnings and worse when Luftschutz patrols found any light showing through windows or otherwise at night.

My mom remembers helping to sew together old fabric for the windows.

However as a partly burning city this is a good idea !

jensenpark
06-30-2004, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by christopher65:
Sure-I accept that its not historicaly accurate but sure looks good!!!!!!! Go on give it a go!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

put alot more fires, and it would represent a small incinderary bombing...

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Obi_Kwiet
06-30-2004, 09:34 AM
Give us a screen shot!

Aero_Shodanjo
06-30-2004, 09:46 AM
During Batlle of Britain, there were posters (i think) that warned even a lighted cigarette should be put down (!) when Luftwaffe strikes.

Just wonder, did bomber crews flying some 10.000 feet above really could see a lighted cigarette?

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Capt._Tenneal
06-30-2004, 09:55 AM
Wait for Pacific Fighters then you can really go wild with "illuminated cities". Tokyo fire bombing anyone ?

DeBaer.534
06-30-2004, 09:58 AM
heres a nice poster the germans made:
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pl004404/index.jpg
it says "The enemy sees your light... BLACKOUT!"
and yes, lights on the ground are seen very easily from above... dont think a cigarette, but a torch probably...

Zeus-cat
06-30-2004, 10:28 AM
I'd like to see what you created. Care to share it? I have plenty of missions I would be willing to trade for it. Anything in particular you are looking for in trade?

If you care to share it, please e-mail it to zeuscat@sbcglobal.net and let me know if want any of my stuff.

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Friendly_flyer
06-30-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Just wonder, did bomber crews flying some 10.000 feet above really could see a lighted cigarette?
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Actually, the human eye is very sensitive. In a totally dark environment, a healthy, young human eye can spot a candle 1 km away. That roughly translates to a single photon. A lighted cigarette may be all it takes...

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christopher65
06-30-2004, 11:47 AM
As a keen scottish climber I can report that a TEA TREE LIGHT(you know these small candles in foil)can be spotted on a clear winters night from 3km+!!!! I know this to be a fact cos it was me who spotted it!!!We use a system of open shelters called BOTHIES(check out their website MOUNTIAN BOTHIES ASSOSIATION.COM)where there is no electric and a candle is usually placed in the window to help weary climbers home.Head torches can be seen for miles.
Back to the thread!! I KNOW that illuminated cities were not historicly accurate BUT they are very very pretty!!! Last year I flew back to Scotland from New York and flew out over Manhatten at approx midnight.Now thats an illuminated city!!!! Amazing!
Will try to post some shots later if I can.
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WUAF_Badsight
06-30-2004, 11:34 PM
can the thread creater plz post some pics

id soo love to see his coop in action

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WTE_Galway
06-30-2004, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Just wonder, did bomber crews flying some 10.000 feet above really could see a lighted cigarette?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the human eye is very sensitive. In a totally dark environment, a healthy, young human eye can spot a candle 1 km away. That roughly translates to a single photon. A lighted cigarette may be all it takes...

_Fly friendly!_

_Petter Bøckman
Norway_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the human eye CAN detect single photons in a completely dark environment

Fornixx
07-01-2004, 01:01 AM
Please post a screenshot. Would love to see what it looks like, don't have the patience or time myself to set up the campfires.

S!

christopher65
07-01-2004, 01:37 AM
How do I unzip the grab files?? WinZip? Have tried this and it just asks me to move it to somewhere and gets very confusing!! Please help! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WUAF_Badsight
07-01-2004, 04:13 AM
they are in the TGA format

you need a program that can view TGA files

i use IrFanview

photoshop or paintshop pro will view TGA files as well

IrFanview is free , you can DL it here . . . .

http://www.irfanview.com/

its only a small DownLoad & will convert the TGA into a JPEG with great quality

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StihlCanuk
07-01-2004, 09:22 AM
I love the idea of illuminated cities.I'm going to try it myself.I don't care if it's not historical...I fly to have fun.
BTW,I also use irfranview.Can't wait to see your pics Chris!

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