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IV_JG51_Razor
04-16-2004, 05:14 PM
Just curious here. In the screen shots of the forward elevator, it at first appears that it was designed to accomodate a plane without folding wings, such as the Dauntless. I realize that the Lady Lex was around long before the Dauntless, but can somebody explain why the after portion of the elevator appears to fold open? It looks like anything sitting on that rear part of the elevator would fall through to the hangar deck if sitting on it when it opens?!!!

It's a beautiful model BTW!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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IV_JG51_Razor
04-16-2004, 05:14 PM
Just curious here. In the screen shots of the forward elevator, it at first appears that it was designed to accomodate a plane without folding wings, such as the Dauntless. I realize that the Lady Lex was around long before the Dauntless, but can somebody explain why the after portion of the elevator appears to fold open? It looks like anything sitting on that rear part of the elevator would fall through to the hangar deck if sitting on it when it opens?!!!

It's a beautiful model BTW!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Razor
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Chuck_Older
04-16-2004, 05:22 PM
I haven't seen it, I'll take a peek. I can only suppose right now, but I 'suppose' that the forward elevator might have been used to ferry more than aircraft to the below decks areas during construction/maintenance/overhaul/repair

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Gibbage1
04-16-2004, 06:02 PM
F4f-3 did not have folding wigns. A lot of the early bi-plane's did not have folding wings. Also the hanger also housed many non-navy aircraft like P-40's and such on ferry missions. This carrier was made in 1920's and housed many 1920's aircraft. I think that lift was changed later on.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h51000/h51380.jpg

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
Just curious here. In the screen shots of the forward elevator, it at first appears that it was designed to accomodate a plane without folding wings, such as the Dauntless. I realize that the Lady Lex was around long before the Dauntless, but can somebody explain why the after portion of the elevator appears to fold open? It looks like anything sitting on that rear part of the elevator would fall through to the hangar deck if sitting on it when it opens?!!!

It's a beautiful model BTW!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Razor
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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

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Texas LongHorn
04-16-2004, 06:53 PM
The forward elevator on both the "Lex" and "Sara" were T-shaped to allow fully assembled aircraft to be raised to the flight deck. The smaller rear elevator was for aircraft with wings folded. Of historical interest is the size of the rear elevator; it was limited by the fact that two of the prop shafts passed by on each side of the lifting gear. Thus the size of the rear elevator was actually limited by mechanical lifting equipment. Huh, you learn something new everyday &lt;ggg.&gt; Also of interest is the mounting of the four 8" gun batteries. In reality, all of the "Lex's" 8" guns were landed after Pearl Harbor to serve as coastal defence weapons. They were intended to be replaced with twin 5" but of course the "Lex" was lost before these could be fitted. The "Sara" also landed her 8-inchers after a Japanese Sub torpedo hit off Hawaii on Jan 11,1942 forced her return to Bremerton (Puget Sound) Naval Shipyard. She was then fitted with twin 5" mounts during her extensive (and prewar planned) refit. Ironically, BuShips had earlier decided the 8" guns could not be used extensively anyway during flight operations. The blast wave would damage aircraft on the flight deck if too close, thus severly limiting the number of aircraft that could be kept on deck. LongHorn

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IV_JG51_Razor
04-23-2004, 07:49 AM
Thanks guys, for the replies. I just got back home from a long business trip, and finally got to read your replies. Some really interesting information here. However, I don't think any of you understood my question. I never did do very well in English during school. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gib, I understand the reasoning behind the shape of the elevator. What is puzzling me, is that in the screen shot (sorry, I can't post it), the after portion of the elevator appears to be split in the middle and hinged on the outboard sides, folding down to open. As such, if any plane were sitting on the elevator waiting for a ride down to the hangar deck, when the aft portion opened, it's tail would fall through. Just take a close look at the screen shot, and you'll see what I mean.

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Korolov
04-23-2004, 09:37 AM
I think what Razor is actually talking about, is the bow elevator, not the aft one.

http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/160404/USS_Lexington_1941_01.jpg

The folding panels behind the elevator there. Appears to possibly be a opening for a small sub elevator.

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IV_JG51_Razor
04-23-2004, 10:21 AM
You're exactly right Korolov, and if you'd read my original post, you would have seen that I am asking about the forward elevator. The screen shot that shows what I'm talking about is the third one from the left. I guess maybe the confusion is caused by my asking about the aft portion of the forward elevator. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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Fennec_P
04-23-2004, 02:25 PM
As far as I know (this is just a guess) that gap was added to accomodate the tail of some larger airplanes without wing folding.

http://members.shaw.ca/fennec/urban.jpg

olaleier
04-23-2004, 06:44 PM
For the love of.....that is narrow! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I'm going to botch so many landings... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Better start practicing...taxiway landings perhaps? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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GT182
04-23-2004, 07:07 PM
Olaleier, mind you this is for practice only now. It's time to dig out CFS 2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Korolov
04-23-2004, 07:09 PM
You should be more concerned about making very short landings at less than 170kmh...

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