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Latico
07-18-2004, 05:33 PM
Just found this web page. Have to scroll down to get to the list of VF squadrons. Some of them have links to web sites.

VF Squadrons (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/9059/Sqns.html)

Sorry didn't get all the address typed in. It's fixed now

[This message was edited by Latico on Sun July 18 2004 at 07:26 PM.]

Latico
07-18-2004, 05:33 PM
Just found this web page. Have to scroll down to get to the list of VF squadrons. Some of them have links to web sites.

VF Squadrons (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/9059/Sqns.html)

Sorry didn't get all the address typed in. It's fixed now

[This message was edited by Latico on Sun July 18 2004 at 07:26 PM.]

IV_JG51_Razor
07-18-2004, 09:54 PM
Thanks for the link Latico. There's an awfull lot of good information in there. I found some additional info on VF-51 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Razor
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heywooood
07-18-2004, 10:20 PM
Oh - heres a real thread... Latico and Razor... two of the more reasonable members of the community...Latico - thanks for the link - it will be very usefull to any mission builders - I have bookmarked it.

...BtW - what have I missed? anything interesting happen since Friday?.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif



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Copperhead310th
07-18-2004, 10:20 PM
hey guys if you run across any regimental images for navy or USMC squadrons please send them to me here:

copperhead@310thvfs.com

please include aircraft type flown
as well as if the where land or ship based.
if based from ship please specify which ones.
i cant say wgy i need them only that IT'S VERY IMPORTANT!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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IV_JG51_Razor
07-19-2004, 11:05 AM
That might turn into a touchy thing Copperhead. While most all of the Navy and Marine squadrons had some pretty flashy squadron patches, most of them were worn on the flight jackets rather than on the fuselages of their planes. The Air Group commanders, or sometimes even the skippers of the carrier they flew from usually dictated what, if any, "nose art" could be painted on the planes. Case in point is that famous shot of the F6F squadron with the shark mouth painted on their aircraft. That didn't last very long at all. The Co of the carrier made them take it off, "..because it made them look like a damn Army Air Corps fighter squadron". Talk about a spoil sport! Some squadrons got away with it forever, and others went from large insignias on the fuselage, down to little ones just below the cockpit. It was so unstandardized towards the end of the war, it would be difficult to be absolutely correct over the broad scope of the simmulation. But, I'll send you links to site where I find good examples of squadron art.

Razor
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Latico
07-19-2004, 11:16 AM
Actually, Razor, it was the Navy high command that dictated what markings were used on carrier based aircraft. There was a great concern that the Japanese could determin what carrier groups were in what area if it could be destinguished by squadron art on the planes. It is also the reason the Navy began shuffling the Air Groups from carrier to carrier. I believe the Enterprise had about 4 or 5 different AG's attached to it during the war.

This may have carried over to the Marine squadrons as well.

Latico
07-19-2004, 11:16 AM
Actually, Razor, it was the Navy high command that dictated what markings were used on carrier based aircraft. There was a great concern that the Japanese could determin what carrier groups were in what area if it could be destinguished by squadron art on the planes. It is also the reason the Navy began shuffling the Air Groups from carrier to carrier. I believe the Enterprise had about 4 or 5 different AG's attached to it during the war.

This may have carried over to the Marine squadrons as well.

Sakai9745
07-19-2004, 11:28 AM
As previously said, thanks a whole lot for that link. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif Great material for mission building!

This got me looking into possible material for other nations' air arms. So far, found one relating primarily to the British Fleet Air Arm during WW2. Added bonus, it also has info on squadrons of Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Squadrons/Index.html

Hope that helps applicable fans.

Cheers,

Al - SF, Calif

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IV_JG51_Razor
07-19-2004, 12:28 PM
You have a good point Latico, but I think things changed a great deal as the war progressed. The Air Groups shuffeling from carrier to carrier was more a matter of training and man power concerns than it was trying to fool the enemy as to which carrier was in the area based on what squadron markings were on the planes. As you well know, towards the end of the war, each carrier had very distinctive markings placed on their air group's aircraft so that they could easily identify each other while forming up for, or returning from a strike, so there certainly wasn't any concern on the Navy's part as to whether the enemy knew which carrier was attacking them. Heck, there were so many, we could hardly keep track of them ourselves!! LOL

But you're absolutely correct about the Navy High Command (BuAir) being the ones who determined what markings went on the planes. My point is that the local COs had a lot of lattitude in permitting nonstandard markings on the planes, and some excersized it more than others. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Copperhead310th
07-19-2004, 06:55 PM
well we ummmm damn.. i can't really say what we have done. all i can say is we have something done. but thanks guys.

as for the size Razor is right it will be very difficult to be compleately historically correct. so we just tread in with it under the same conditions as FB. but it's very important we get as many as we can compleated asap.
7th AF and 13 AF, & 20th & 5th AF. are also needed. as well as RAAF.

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Latico
07-19-2004, 06:57 PM
Point taken, Razor.