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StabIJG1CO
02-01-2004, 05:04 AM
Dear Oleg and Team;

...i saw the preorder message at the home page and check for new available crafts.
Now,... i saw Me163 and some other crafts they, so i think, we dont need here.

IL-2 has start as one of the best simulations and its now better than all we have can buy before.

But now,...we get crafts they havn´t any relationship with the idea of IL-2.
But the He162 ( never flown any combat) we get also the He163.
This craft used only for bomber bulk interceptions over Europe.

WHAT I MISS IS FOLLOWING CRAFTS:

IL-10 Sturmovik
Ju88
Ju188
Do17
Do217
Fw189
Fw200
He111 vers H11; H16; H21
He177
He219
Hs129
Bf110
Me210/410

All this crafts are part of the german airforce.
Also used in most battles in WW2.

PLEASE:
Give us the crafts for the right "SIMULATION".

Best thanks for your great job,.

A Fan and critic,.

Mike

StabIJG1CO
02-01-2004, 05:04 AM
Dear Oleg and Team;

...i saw the preorder message at the home page and check for new available crafts.
Now,... i saw Me163 and some other crafts they, so i think, we dont need here.

IL-2 has start as one of the best simulations and its now better than all we have can buy before.

But now,...we get crafts they havn´t any relationship with the idea of IL-2.
But the He162 ( never flown any combat) we get also the He163.
This craft used only for bomber bulk interceptions over Europe.

WHAT I MISS IS FOLLOWING CRAFTS:

IL-10 Sturmovik
Ju88
Ju188
Do17
Do217
Fw189
Fw200
He111 vers H11; H16; H21
He177
He219
Hs129
Bf110
Me210/410

All this crafts are part of the german airforce.
Also used in most battles in WW2.

PLEASE:
Give us the crafts for the right "SIMULATION".

Best thanks for your great job,.

A Fan and critic,.

Mike

CH_D-Fender
02-01-2004, 07:50 AM
You missing the unproveked unintended flat spin
out of the blue when on the landing approach
with the Me-210 ???

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Curious !

Nazi_Boy_USA
02-01-2004, 07:42 PM
I think the Storch is totally neglected. It was much fun online as a flyable ai

God Bless the Storch

JG26Red
02-01-2004, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CH_D-Fender:
You missing the unproveked unintended flat spin
out of the blue when on the landing approach
with the Me-210 ???

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Curious !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

210 was terrible, the 410 actually could fly.. lol

Future-
02-01-2004, 09:55 PM
Well, I just have to say from what I know the He-162 did see combat, although only on a few minor occasions.

I wonder why you don't mention any VVS, british or US aircraft. Don't want to have some competition eh?

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Huckebein_FW
02-02-2004, 01:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CH_D-Fender:
You missing the unproveked unintended flat spin
out of the blue when on the landing approach
with the Me-210 ???

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Curious !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Me210 was rushed in service, before all it's development problems were properly solved. But only around 80 airframes become operational as Me-210A, the only model that had the problems you mentioned. It is important to note that the allies had a lot of similar cases of rushed development, for example P-47 (47B model was a dog, it's operational status was lifted after a lot of accidents).

Me-210A were lost at a fast pace, in just a few months in '42 (only a few survived in '43). It's interesting to observe Me-210 losses in units that had both 210A and C. You can see there that A model had a very high rate of loss due to enemy and accidents, whereas C model had only a few losses (less than other models available in the same units, beside 210A), even if the crews were not yet familiar with the type.

Elongated fuselage, shifted CG, different rudder, added slats and more powerful engines, modifications found in Me-210C and later solved all the problems Me-210A had.

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[This message was edited by Huckebein_FW on Mon February 02 2004 at 12:33 AM.]

VW-IceFire
02-02-2004, 08:13 AM
At least one Me 163 was show down by a Hawker Tempest in the last days of the war and apparently a Yak-3 also scored a similar kill. It does have a place...but I would definately like to be able to fly a Me 410 sometime...it just looks like a fun plane to fly.

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MiloMorai
02-02-2004, 09:10 AM
For once Huck posts something that is more or less fact.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Except, many of the P-47B crashes were the result of pilot inexperience, though a significant number were caused by loss of control during high-speed dives. Pilot inexperience was not the case in the early 210s.



Long live the Horse Clans.

02-02-2004, 10:27 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Huckebein_FW:
Elongated fuselage, shifted CG, different rudder, added slats and more powerful engines, modifications found in Me-210C and later solved all the problems Me-210A had.
[QUOTE]

True, in fact there was also a small batch of Me 210As with long fusalge but still with DB601s. Too bad Messerscmitt didn`t sort out the problems earlier (I wonder why he didn`t used slats from the beginning, they worked so well on every Messerschmitt a/c), the 210 would have been a hell of a twin engine in 1941.

Willey
02-02-2004, 02:26 PM
163s killed one Il-2 and one and a half (=damaged) Pe-2.

MachineII
02-02-2004, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huckebein_FW:
Yes Me210 was rushed in service, before all it's development problems were properly solved. But only around 80 airframes become operational as Me-210A, the only model that had the problems you mentioned. It is important to note that the allies had a lot of similar cases of rushed development, for example P-47 (47B model was a dog, it's operational status was lifted after a lot of accidents).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's funny how, in a thread from outward appearences has nothing to do with a P-47, some people cannot resist the urge to to bring it up. Almost EVERY fighter has issues at the beginning...but you choose to pick a fight.

Funny how the P-47 went on to be a successful fighter and the 210 was described by its chief test pilot as "having the least desireable characteristics of an aeroplane."

Is there anything German you WON'T defend?

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Cess-Harp
02-02-2004, 05:13 PM
The P 47 had a problem with the canopy comming open in flight and on take off.. and when it did the latch hit the pilot on the forhead and in some cases knocked him out.. this was later fixed , but it did cause some bad times at the first..

You will notice in the old films the 47 pilots left the cockpit open on take off because of this..

BlitzPig_Godunk
02-02-2004, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huckebein_FW:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CH_D-Fender:
You missing the unproveked unintended flat spin
out of the blue when on the landing approach
with the Me-210 ???

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Curious !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Me210 was rushed in service, before all it's development problems were properly solved. But only around 80 airframes become operational as Me-210A, the only model that had the problems you mentioned. It is important to note that the allies had a lot of similar cases of rushed development, for example P-47 (47B model was a dog, it's operational status was lifted after a lot of accidents).

Me-210A were lost at a fast pace, in just a few months in '42 (only a few survived in '43). It's interesting to observe Me-210 losses in units that had both 210A and C. You can see there that A model had a very high rate of loss due to enemy and accidents, whereas C model had only a few losses (less than other models available in the same units, beside 210A), even if the crews were not yet familiar with the type.

Elongated fuselage, shifted CG, different rudder, added slats and more powerful engines, modifications found in Me-210C and later solved all the problems Me-210A had.
QUOTE]

You are a Uber Luftmoron!!!
How does it feel to live in a dreamworld?
WWII is over... Get over it. Quit stewing over that questionable, revisionist data that you've been posting... The past is just that, past... The true test is over. The Axis powers lost. Spend some time studying basic aerodynamics, and give us a break from your moronic copy/paste posts.

necrobaron
02-02-2004, 06:21 PM
Wasn't it true that the 410 was hardly different than the later model(and improved) 210s,but was given a new designation(410) to dispel the bad rap the 210s had gotten?

Btw,many of the planes in the original post are in the works.

"Not all who wander are lost."

MachineII
02-02-2004, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
Wasn't it true that the 410 was hardly different than the later model(and improved) 210s,but was given a new designation(410) to dispel the bad rap the 210s had gotten?

Btw,many of the planes in the original post are in the works.

"Not all who wander are lost."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...the changes they made didn't LOOK all that different and they were afraid that since the 210 was SO bad, nobody would want to fly it. SO, they changed the name. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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lbhskier37
02-03-2004, 01:16 AM
A nice thread about planes that would be good additions turns into a flamefest trying to tear down the me210. ORR is so informative and helpful. You guys tear into Huck, but none of you are any better, did you notice that he actually came in with true useful information? If none of you have any information about any of the planes in the title of this thread why don't you just ignore it?

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Fornixx
02-03-2004, 02:40 AM
Well if I remember correctly didn't Oleg once say that the russians considered captured 410:s superior to (I guess lend lease) Mosquitos.

Not to say that this is some devine truth but someething to think about.

Calm down now and discuss this like adults.

From what I've read
210: Sucked balls. More dangerous to it's own pilots than the enemy
210Ca: Some changes to fuselage and wings made it a good aircraft
410: New engines and the changes from 210Ca + more made it a great aircraft

StabIJG1CO
02-03-2004, 05:14 AM
Dear gents,.....

txs for your replies.

Some of you didnt understand me.
Maybe my "pitch´n english" ,.sry ;-/

First i will speak here only for German side of WW2 aviation"

Next, we keep lost a great part of WW2 aviation.
All the medium and light bombers, twin engine fighters and ground attack crafts.

Should be an right kick to go for ground attack in an HS129 again tank force.

Or let us think at the Ju88 dive bombing.

I miss that realy cause it was major part of german war tactic.

Sure Tempest and Typhoon are great crafts.
BUT MOT ON THE RUSSIAN FRONT!

If BOB will come i guess we get also this kind of crafts.
I hope so ;-)

Howe more crafts we get to use, how more different kind of squads and missions are able to run.

Its not the question about good or right craft.
its the question about whan and where this crafts was used.

DONT FORGET!
IL-2 STURMOVIK is an "SIMULATION".
Pls keep it in this way!

Best txs ...
Stab.I/JG1_CO

MachineII
02-03-2004, 07:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You guys tear into Huck, but none of you are any better, did you notice that he actually came in with true useful information? If none of you have any information about any of the planes in the title of this thread why don't you just ignore it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your post count says you should know better.

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lbhskier37
02-03-2004, 08:32 AM
I know of Hucks history and some of the things he has said, but in this thread everying he posted was legit and in relation to the topic.

StabIJG1CO I totally agree with you. Many guys in my squad have been itching since FB to get some more bombers in this game, it would really make online wars more interesting, and give some new great options for offline play. In addition to those you listed, very important are the Pe-2s, Tu-2s, IL-4s, and even a DB-3 would be pretty cool.

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Fafnir_6
02-03-2004, 10:17 AM
Hello all,

From what I understand, the main problem with the original Me210A-0 and Me210A-1 was that the fuselage was not long enough to give the aircraft the lateral stability required for an operational fighter plane. Repeated testing aimed at rectifying the Me210A's stability issues resulted in leading edge slats and an additional section being added to the fuselage just forward of the tailplane. This solved the majority of the problems with lateral stability and gave us the Me410 which by any standard was a capable heavy fighter. The long fuselage was also implemented on the successful Me210C and was retrofitted onto existing Me210A and Me210B airframes. These later A & B models served with distinction in the mediterranean before being replaced by newer types.

As for the original post I agree heartily with the request which is quite reasonable (especially with the Il-10, Bf110, Fw189, He111H-11, He111H-16, Hs129, Ju88 later models, and Ju188). Throw in an AI Hs126; flyable Hs123, Pe-2 and some nachtschlact types (Ar66, Go145, He50, Fw58)and the game will be Perfect.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[This message was edited by Fafnir_6 on Tue February 03 2004 at 11:06 AM.]