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kidico
02-28-2017, 07:37 AM
I got 108 gear hoping that it'd actually make a difference as seeing the gear bar, max attack on the bar should be 3x damage then normal so I expected a 300% increase in damage.

What I got was 10% more damage but the gear also comes with a defense debuff so now I can kill one light attack faster but also die one light attack faster. So in the end I might as well not have gotten the gear at all.

Now I'm put at a disadvantage since I'm more of a defensive player so dying 1 light faster hurts me more than killing 1 light faster. Ubisoft you sure know how to con ppl and steal their steel.

ThePollie
02-28-2017, 07:38 AM
If you bought steel with real money, I laugh at you.

Braegulfer
02-28-2017, 07:39 AM
Revenge build is the only place worth putting yours steel. Full revenge attack, revenge gain on defense, revenge duration, revenge from injury. That build makes a huge difference, the others...like you said, not so much so.

Also, they are not conartists, it has been stated by UBI many times, AND its all over this board that the advantages are in the 10-14% range with a commiserate drawback. You set unreasonable expectations and got disappointed....sounds like life..the meta version.

TCTF_SWAT
02-28-2017, 07:43 AM
Max atk supposedly gives you a 20% increase in damage. Max defense supposedly gives you 30% in damage reduction.

I'm just still smiling at the people who spent money (and or steel) on loot crates to begin with. I've just been spending mine on emotes and executions.

kidico
02-28-2017, 07:46 AM
Max atk supposedly gives you a 20% increase in damage. Max defense supposedly gives you 30% in damage reduction.

I'm just still smiling at the people who spent money (and or steel) on loot crates to begin with. I've just been spending mine on emotes and executions.

Where did ubisoft officially say that? If it's on the forum, 99% of the playerbase don't visit it and even as the 1% that do, I have never seen that post. So ubisoft are still conartists in my eyes.

Bob__Gnarly
02-28-2017, 07:51 AM
Probably should've done your research before spending that steel hey.

kidico
02-28-2017, 08:01 AM
Probably should've done your research before spending that steel hey.

Good thing I didn't spend money on it but I would still like my 25k steel back.

Zordrage
02-28-2017, 08:16 AM
Defense on weapon is HUGE difference attack is barely make any diff.

max defense make you survive 4 yes 4 extra heavy attacks thats ALLOT

Also stamina regen is ALLOT better then Stamina cost reduction

its just the case of another person who dont know how to optimaly build his gear :P

Seriously get a weapon that has

Max Def

Almost max Attack

Minimal Stam Cost reduction.

there your welcome.

Jarnhand
02-28-2017, 09:16 AM
And where can we find any documented info on this?

kidico
02-28-2017, 09:24 AM
Defense on weapon is HUGE difference attack is barely make any diff.

max defense make you survive 4 yes 4 extra heavy attacks thats ALLOT

Also stamina regen is ALLOT better then Stamina cost reduction

its just the case of another person who dont know how to optimaly build his gear :P

Seriously get a weapon that has

Max Def

Almost max Attack

Minimal Stam Cost reduction.

there your welcome.

Dunno where you're getting 4 extra heavies from, maybe you're referring to the conqueror but on my PK max defense gear vs negative defense, you do need 2 extra heavies to kill which is still significant.

While max attack vs no weapon is 8 lights to kill vs 9, kind of ridiculous. I think a blue weapon would help just as much.

CaptainGelo
02-28-2017, 09:52 AM
Dunno where you're getting 4 extra heavies from, maybe you're referring to the conqueror but on my PK max defense gear vs negative defense, you do need 2 extra heavies to kill which is still significant.

While max attack vs no weapon is 8 lights to kill vs 9, kind of ridiculous. I think a blue weapon would help just as much.
Because Assasins have less health to start with, so they get less benefit from defense, as it is % increase.
Same with attack, as they didnt do that much damage to start with.

Lord_Binz
02-28-2017, 10:26 AM
Hey OP?

You know that literally the entire rest of the community is complaining that 108 gear is too strong right?

Did you optimise your gear stats? Did you research which stats work best for which class? I feel this may have been poor planning on your behalf.

kidico
02-28-2017, 10:34 AM
Because Assasins have less health to start with, so they get less benefit from defense, as it is % increase.
Same with attack, as they didnt do that much damage to start with.

That sux for assassins and non-tanky units since max attack gear barely helps at all while for the defensive type heroes like conqueror, warlord, ect not only do they gain massive health in addition to their already massive healthpool but even in 1v1 with the revenge gear they can revenge after just 4 parries or 2 parries and 3 hits in the face and become invincible.

Max attack should really be buffed, it's ridiculous atm since max defense is making the tanky units incredibly hard to kill if they have 108 gear and can block/parry well that even in 1v1 situations they can proc revenge easily.

Gnarxly
02-28-2017, 10:35 AM
I keep telling people player skill is 99% what matters.
Master your class, master defenses and **** like revange doesn't matter much anymore.

CaptianBeetle
02-28-2017, 10:41 AM
Pick your stats based off your character.

For example, if you're a warlord. You don't really need attack damage, as he hits pretty hard as is. Probably better going for some defense, and stamina reduction/exhaustion recover

If you're a valkyrie, you absolutely need damage/exhaustion recovery

If you're an orochi , sprint speed, stam reduction, and either attack (if you really want to be lel) or revenge gain on injury/defense.

Warden? Throw yourself out the window if you think you need extra stats you Arnold in his prime holding a pointy paperweight made by the gods. n: Jokes. Probably stam and exhaust recover to help with the vortex lulz.

And so on.

-shrug-

But yeah, full attack bar is not a 300%. That would be just insane.

Zordrage
02-28-2017, 10:46 AM
there is a guy that testes all the stats both as maxed out and Totaly minimazed 1 by 1 on youtube.

and yes assassins getting the short end of the sticks with gear.

kidico
02-28-2017, 10:46 AM
Pick your stats based off your character.

For example, if you're a warlord. You don't really need attack damage, as he hits pretty hard as is. Probably better going for some defense, and stamina reduction/exhaustion recover

If you're a valkyrie, you absolutely need damage/exhaustion recovery

If you're an orochi , sprint speed, stam reduction, and either attack (if you really want to be lel) or revenge gain on injury/defense.

Warden? Throw yourself out the window if you think you need extra stats you Arnold in his prime holding a pointy paperweight made by the gods. n: Jokes. Probably stam and exhaust recover to help with the vortex lulz.

And so on.

-shrug-

But yeah, full attack bar is not a 300%. That would be just insane.

I picked my stats off my character and got max attack damage which is negligible even on the peacekeeper. So now I can kill enemies 1 light faster from 9 lights to 8 (PK light vs Beserker max health) while if you max defense and are say a conqueror you survive like 4 extra heavy attacks which is like 10 more lights, absolutely ridiculous.

Ubisoft's balance team, I don't know what to say man. Got conned so hard out of my hard earned steel.

kidico
02-28-2017, 10:48 AM
there is a guy that testes all the stats both as maxed out and Totaly minimazed 1 by 1 on youtube.

and yes assassins getting the short end of the sticks with gear.

U have a link?

Sirrkas
02-28-2017, 11:08 AM
U have a link?

I guess he means this topic: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1591455-Gear-stats-in-action!

kidico
02-28-2017, 11:35 AM
I guess he means this topic: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1591455-Gear-stats-in-action!

The balance is absolutely ridiculous. For gear stats defense is like up to 10 times better than attack if you are a tanky unit such as a conqueror while attack is pretty much negligible maxed out regardless of what class you are, might save you 1 light or heavy attack but in most cases won't matter. You might as well go max defense with some stamina cost reduction as that actually makes a difference.

Revenge attack is like 5x better than revenge defense also, so conquerors with 108 gear will absolutely crush everyone in dominion with their defensive playstyle and massive HP pool they can revenge proc constantly and be impossible to kill and once they get into revenge mode, do insane damage.

Ubisoft's balance team should be fired. Wasted so much of my steel. Fooling people into thinking that max attack gear is so much better than it actually is.

Felis_Menari
02-28-2017, 12:51 PM
OP, you already made a post about this, and I also told you where to find videos showing the significant difference between low and high stats.

CarnivalLaw
02-28-2017, 01:03 PM
You got burned trying to pay-to-win. Nice try, kid.

Aarpian
02-28-2017, 01:27 PM
Local man upgrades car - demands refund when he finds out it doesn't break the sound barrier.

Sephriem
02-28-2017, 01:31 PM
In most cases you're only going to see a 7-13% increase from max. This is to specialise in multi objective game types, i.e. X% survivability to multi VS 1, whether that be revenge mode, throwable cool downs or push distances.

Obviously all of this is character specific too. For orochi and pk, revenge builds are great since it now allows you to survive multi vs 1 instead of 100% loss. Cool down build for a berserker makes it probably the most deadly player with throwing feats and it's dancing speedy boost feat.

Throw distance to warlord, shugoki, lawbringer and raider is insanely powerful.

Revenge mode defenders classes like the conqueror are god tanks I've yet to see one die, but they're rare as hell because mass majority of people just think attack is all they need.

Again the stats are just there to specialise, people just need to think and play more in depth.

There's still plenty of people out there who don't know you can pull off your abilities directly into your chains, or break through an upward block if, block damage/res/def/class is set up a parctiular way between the characters.

The amount of times I break through a raider block because their block dmg res is rock bottom.

At the end of the day having 108 doesn't make you god mode, it SHOULD make you fight in a particular way, the more people play the better they get, the more micro adjustments to their build they'll make.

TCTF_SWAT
02-28-2017, 11:48 PM
And where can we find any documented info on this?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wwr17AtTDFU3BZY_81axLVMKdHdNZuV0wGOb589VKgc/edit#gid=0

It's not all 100% accurate but, I can confirm myself that alot of it (aka 90%) is true. You can try it out for yourself.