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SerArthur-Dayne
02-26-2017, 10:42 PM
... Thats the number of minutes ive been trying to find a dominion match.


My NAT is green
Only person at my place, so no one is using the internet.
Speed test shows 35 down/ 5 up. No problems.
Opened the ports for this game.


If I do find a game today, I know whats coming...


A 40/60% chance of getting kicked from a game.
The constant, unforgiving, relentless host migrations which often freeze for 10+ minutes untill the game is closed.
The cheating that runs rife in P2P games.
Lag switches.
The fact others can see my IP adress, and the lack of security around this setup in general.
Seizure inducing error codes.
Rollbacks after killing enemies, only to reconnect seemingly later and get killed.
Matchmaking wait times that rival the queue at the local DMV.
Game speed slowing down trying to compensate for this terrible system.


13. Thats the number of days this game has released as a completed game. They have been recieving feedback regarding this broken P2P system for a lot longer than that too. A lot longer. Believe me.

Yes, this is a great game, the devs should be proud. Yes, I can wait for bugs to be fixed, however long that may take. Yes, can wait for hero balance, and fixing GB whenever youre ready. But ill draw the line at the very obvious problem that isnt being addressed or even responded too with anything short of deflection... Are you going to get some dedicated servers so we can actually play? or is this going to be a case of "well do our best to fix and tinker with this downright broken and wholly outdated system, but look, we have your money now so theres not much more we can do, our hands our tied, Rome wasnt built in a day".

This stalling for any form of meaningfull response, is now completely affecting the timeframe that anyone could legally persue a refund.

Not asking for you to flip a switch and have servers tomorrow. But 13 days into launch is more than enough time to get the exec's together and make a decision on weather to invest in servers as a behemoth of a company, or weather to cellotape a broken system.

I understand the mods are probably sick of sifting through negative threads, and secretly want to run us all over slowly in a golf cart, and that they only get told so much... But we need a real answer about servers now. Id rather not be 150$ aud out of pocket for a MP game that I can only play the campaign in. This shady No Mans Sky~esque vagueness untill we can no longer get a refund, are the sort of actions that sour the trust between Consumer-Developer, please go back to being fair with us and let us in the loop so we can make informed decisions. Sorry to add a rant to the pile, but please just hit us with a straight answer!

SiewcaRaka
02-26-2017, 10:49 PM
... Thats the number of minutes ive been trying to find a dominion match.


My NAT is green
Only person at my place, so no one is using the internet.
Speed test shows 35 down/ 5 up. No problems.
Opened the ports for this game.


If I do find a game today, I know whats coming...


A 40/60% chance of getting kicked from a game.
The constant, unforgiving, relentless host migrations which often freeze for 10+ minutes untill the game is closed.
The cheating that runs rife in P2P games.
Lag switches.
The fact others can see my IP adress, and the lack of security around this setup in general.
Seizure inducing error codes.
Rollbacks after killing enemies, only to reconnect seemingly later and get killed.
Matchmaking wait times that rival the queue at the local DMV.
Game speed slowing down trying to compensate for this terrible system.


13. Thats the number of days this game has released as a completed game. They have been recieving feedback regarding this broken P2P system for a lot longer than that too. A lot longer. Believe me.

Yes, this is a great game, the devs should be proud. Yes, I can wait for bugs to be fixed, however long that may take. Yes, can wait for hero balance, and fixing GB whenever youre ready. But ill draw the line at the very obvious problem that isnt being addressed or even responded too with anything short of deflection... Are you going to get some dedicated servers so we can actually play? or is this going to be a case of "well do our best to fix and tinker with this downright broken and wholly outdated system, but look, we have your money now so theres not much more we can do, our hands our tied, Rome wasnt built in a day".

This stalling for any form of meaningfull response, is now completely affecting the timeframe that anyone could legally persue a refund.

Not asking for you to flip a switch and have servers tomorrow. But 13 days into launch is more than enough time to get the exec's together and make a decision on weather to invest in servers as a behemoth of a company, or weather to cellotape a broken system.

I understand the mods are probably sick of sifting through negative threads, and secretly want to run us all over slowly in golf cart, and that they only get told so much... But we need a real answer about servers now. Id rather not be 150$ aud out of pocket for a MP game that I can only play the campaign in. This shady No Mans Sky~esque vagueness untill we can no longer get a refund, are the sort of actions that sour the trust between Consumer-Developer, please go back to being fair with us and let us in the loop so we can make informed decisions. Sorry to add a rant to the pile, but please just hit us with a straight answer!

0 Number of fcks rest of us give.

SerArthur-Dayne
02-26-2017, 11:02 PM
0 Number of fcks rest of us give.

Have you read through the forum... Id say 0 is a little off the mark. Nice response though, ill give you that.

SiewcaRaka
02-26-2017, 11:03 PM
Have you read through the forum... Id say 0 is a little off the mark. Nice response though, ill give you that.

Sorry i couldn't hold myself :D But to tell you the truth, number of voices that it doesn't work is too small for some in game problem. We got over 250k players on 3 platforms and what? 100 complains? 200?

SerArthur-Dayne
02-26-2017, 11:13 PM
Sorry i couldn't hold myself :D But to tell you the truth, number of voices that it doesn't work is too small for some in game problem. We got over 250k players on 3 platforms and what? 100 complains? 200?

I think theres a lot more than a few 100 here, theres petitions nearly in the 6 figure range floating around. 3 mates also have this game but havent jumped on the forum despite it not working for them, actually one might have idk.

Bf4 didnt even work on console for about 4 months, and still only saw so many take to the forum too.

As of replying right now it just passed 1 full hour of waiting. Had one lobby fill up and then everyone left, then an error code or two. Im recording this and have a bunch of 10 min clips back to back that I can upload, but its not very fun to watch...

Are you not having these issues or something? and do you play on PC?

BellasaurusRawr
02-26-2017, 11:15 PM
6 my peen size...in millimeters. Wait wut?

Hackfraysn
02-26-2017, 11:28 PM
... Thats the number of minutes ive been trying to find a dominion match.


My NAT is green
Only person at my place, so no one is using the internet.
Speed test shows 35 down/ 5 up. No problems.
Opened the ports for this game.


If I do find a game today, I know whats coming...


A 40/60% chance of getting kicked from a game.
The constant, unforgiving, relentless host migrations which often freeze for 10+ minutes untill the game is closed.
The cheating that runs rife in P2P games.
Lag switches.
The fact others can see my IP adress, and the lack of security around this setup in general.
Seizure inducing error codes.
Rollbacks after killing enemies, only to reconnect seemingly later and get killed.
Matchmaking wait times that rival the queue at the local DMV.
Game speed slowing down trying to compensate for this terrible system.


13. Thats the number of days this game has released as a completed game. They have been recieving feedback regarding this broken P2P system for a lot longer than that too. A lot longer. Believe me.

Yes, this is a great game, the devs should be proud. Yes, I can wait for bugs to be fixed, however long that may take. Yes, can wait for hero balance, and fixing GB whenever youre ready. But ill draw the line at the very obvious problem that isnt being addressed or even responded too with anything short of deflection... Are you going to get some dedicated servers so we can actually play? or is this going to be a case of "well do our best to fix and tinker with this downright broken and wholly outdated system, but look, we have your money now so theres not much more we can do, our hands our tied, Rome wasnt built in a day".

This stalling for any form of meaningfull response, is now completely affecting the timeframe that anyone could legally persue a refund.

Not asking for you to flip a switch and have servers tomorrow. But 13 days into launch is more than enough time to get the exec's together and make a decision on weather to invest in servers as a behemoth of a company, or weather to cellotape a broken system.

I understand the mods are probably sick of sifting through negative threads, and secretly want to run us all over slowly in a golf cart, and that they only get told so much... But we need a real answer about servers now. Id rather not be 150$ aud out of pocket for a MP game that I can only play the campaign in. This shady No Mans Sky~esque vagueness untill we can no longer get a refund, are the sort of actions that sour the trust between Consumer-Developer, please go back to being fair with us and let us in the loop so we can make informed decisions. Sorry to add a rant to the pile, but please just hit us with a straight answer!

Well, they see your name and immediately wet their pants at the prospect of fighting you without their pocket Howland Reedkeeper stabbing you in the back.

Joking aside, I'm really sorry that this game has such insanely massive issues. For Honor was a goldmine and it seriously takes skill to mess this up. Kudos Ubisoft. I think you surpassed EA in terms of being infamously incompetent and notoriously known for runining franchises. If that was your goal, well, congratulations.

SiewcaRaka
02-26-2017, 11:48 PM
I think theres a lot more than a few 100 here, theres petitions nearly in the 6 figure range floating around. 3 mates also have this game but havent jumped on the forum despite it not working for them, actually one might have idk.

Bf4 didnt even work on console for about 4 months, and still only saw so many take to the forum too.

As of replying right now it just passed 1 full hour of waiting. Had one lobby fill up and then everyone left, then an error code or two. Im recording this and have a bunch of 10 min clips back to back that I can upload, but its not very fun to watch...

Are you not having these issues or something? and do you play on PC?

PC without problem. And its about 100. Same people are writing constantly so you can probably round it up to that number. Even 200 is not enough:P

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 12:14 AM
PC without problem. And its about 100. Same people are writing constantly so you can probably round it up to that number. Even 200 is not enough:P

Nah,

So I suppose the 2000+ people who signed this https://www.change.org/p/ubisoft petition did so because they they have absolutely no problems aye?

And if only 100 of them bothered to complain on the forums then obviously theres more that have said nothing.

Drop your disingenuous 'i'm all right jack' attitude. You're not a child.

SerArthur-Dayne
02-27-2017, 12:22 AM
PC without problem. And its about 100. Same people are writing constantly so you can probably round it up to that number. Even 200 is not enough:P

Youtube vid with 21,000 agreeing with For honors P2P problems.and only 500 disagreeing. (not to mention the 100's of independant videos labelled "for honors terrible P2P" you can find with a quick search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sPNZ8QHO4

Petition with over 1000 sigs
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dedicated-servers-for-honor-no-purchase

seperate petition with 1380 more sigs
https://www.change.org/p/ubisoft-for-honor-dedicated-servers

Reddit post with 1,400 upvotes detailing peoples problems with matchmaking and P2P.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/5ix28p/for_honor_ubisofts_upcoming_onlinealways/

All the different independant reviews detailing the huge problem they, and the community have experienced with broken P2P.

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/for-honor-receives-petition-for-dedicated-servers/19313/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3169555/gaming/for-honor-review-impressions-smooth-pc-performance-mediocre-melee-campaign.html

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/for-honor/user-reviews?dist=negative

http://www.windowscentral.com/for-honor-review

http://www.shacknews.com/article/99095/for-honor-review-almost-honorable

Not to mention the (nearly 5,000) negative steam reviews, with almost every single negaitive review solely detailing the garbage that is the P2P system. its currently sitting at 55% positive atm.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/304390/

EDIT: heres another with 2,500 thats just floating round the forum. https://www.change.org/p/ubisoft-ubisoft-please-add-dedicated-servers


This took less than 5 minutes to put together, could easily quadruple the evidence in a half hour as there are so many examples to pick from. No offence but just the stuff here absolutely shreds your statement that its only a hundred or so, of the same people.

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 12:30 AM
Youtube vid with 21,000 agreeing with For honors P2P problems.and only 500 disagreeing. (not to mention the 100's of independant videos labelled "for honors terrible P2P" you can find with a quick search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sPNZ8QHO4

Petition with over 1000 sigs
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dedicated-servers-for-honor-no-purchase

seperate petition with 1380 more sigs
https://www.change.org/p/ubisoft-for-honor-dedicated-servers

Reddit post with 1,400 upvotes detailing peoples problems with matchmaking and P2P.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/5ix28p/for_honor_ubisofts_upcoming_onlinealways/

All the different independant reviews detailing the huge problem they, and the community have experienced with broken P2P.

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/for-honor-receives-petition-for-dedicated-servers/19313/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3169555/gaming/for-honor-review-impressions-smooth-pc-performance-mediocre-melee-campaign.html

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/for-honor/user-reviews?dist=negative

http://www.windowscentral.com/for-honor-review

http://www.shacknews.com/article/99095/for-honor-review-almost-honorable

Not to mention the (nearly 5,000) negative steam reviews, with almost every single negaitive review solely detailing the garbage that is the P2P system. its currently sitting at 55% positive atm.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/304390/


This took less than 5 minutes to put together, could easily quadruple the evidence in a half hour as there are so many examples to pick from. No offence but just the stuff here absolutely shreds your statement that its only a hundred or so, of the same people.

And how many of those own the game? How many are normal anti ubisoft boys? How many petitions were signed on label "hey dude, sign this". Besides it is still 1/148 of discontent players(assuming 2k just for you:P) Sorry, me and my friends got no problem. Also those i meet online in a game show no problem with this.

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 12:38 AM
And how many of those own the game? How many are normal anti ubisoft boys? How many petitions were signed on label "hey dude, sign this". Besides it is still 1/148 of discontent players(assuming 2k just for you:P) Sorry, me and my friends got no problem. Also those i meet online in a game show no problem with this.

Incredible display of cognitive dissonance. Just because you cant see a problem does not mean none exists.

Moondyne_MC
02-27-2017, 12:41 AM
And how many of those own the game? How many are normal anti ubisoft boys? How many petitions were signed on label "hey dude, sign this". Besides it is still 1/148 of discontent players(assuming 2k just for you:P) Sorry, me and my friends got no problem. Also those i meet online in a game show no problem with this.

"I don't have this problem, therefore no-one does"

Nice reasoning there, mate.

Hackfraysn
02-27-2017, 12:43 AM
Youtube vid with 21,000 agreeing with For honors P2P problems.and only 500 disagreeing. (not to mention the 100's of independant videos labelled "for honors terrible P2P" you can find with a quick search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sPNZ8QHO4

Petition with over 1000 sigs
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dedicated-servers-for-honor-no-purchase

seperate petition with 1380 more sigs
https://www.change.org/p/ubisoft-for-honor-dedicated-servers

Reddit post with 1,400 upvotes detailing peoples problems with matchmaking and P2P.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/5ix28p/for_honor_ubisofts_upcoming_onlinealways/

All the different independant reviews detailing the huge problem they, and the community have experienced with broken P2P.

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/for-honor-receives-petition-for-dedicated-servers/19313/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3169555/gaming/for-honor-review-impressions-smooth-pc-performance-mediocre-melee-campaign.html

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/for-honor/user-reviews?dist=negative

http://www.windowscentral.com/for-honor-review

http://www.shacknews.com/article/99095/for-honor-review-almost-honorable

Not to mention the (nearly 5,000) negative steam reviews, with almost every single negaitive review solely detailing the garbage that is the P2P system. its currently sitting at 55% positive atm.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/304390/

This took less than 5 minutes to put together, could easily quadruple the evidence in a half hour as there are so many examples to pick from. No offence but just the stuff here absolutely shreds your statement that its only a hundred or so, of the same people.

And in the other corner we have Ubisoft with zero ****s given.

Just sad.

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 12:45 AM
Incredible display of cognitive dissonance. Just because you cant see a problem does not mean none exists.

Same to you. Just because you see problem it doesn't mean it exists. There is no proof that whole problem is created by some problem with your side than with ubisoft. Even if we assume 10% got those problems - THIS IS WITHIN NORMAL RANGE. Not exactly 2 sigma, but still. You can not prove it is problem of UBISOFT if there are people playing with different people. When you base it on "youtube likes", petitions and 2 month old reddit post then sorry but you lack evidence.

SerArthur-Dayne
02-27-2017, 12:48 AM
And how many of those own the game? How many are normal anti ubisoft boys? How many petitions were signed on label "hey dude, sign this". Besides it is still 1/148 of discontent players(assuming 2k just for you:P) Sorry, me and my friends got no problem. Also those i meet online in a game show no problem with this.

How many gamers have you even known to actually reply "hell yeah ok, id love to go do that" when asked to go out of their way to register & sign a petition that the dont care about!!?!! Most people dont even sign petitions they do care about. I havent even signed them yet. I think its totally safe to say there are more people that agree this P2P is trash but havent signed the petition, than there are people that just went around signing petitions that dont even apply to them.

"How many of those own the game?"; Well at least the 5000 steam reviews because you need to own the game, probably safe to say many of the 50,000 people that have given those negative reviews a thumbs up have done so because of similar experiences. I would say everyone that has actually gone out of their way to register and sign a petition is a fairy safe assumption too. Probably most of the reviewers, as it would be hard to write an article on a game you have never played, but who knows, maybe your right, there may be a hit piece or two just jumping on the bandwagon.

Not to mention statistically there is always a silent majority that reads the forums and is just waiting on the next patch. But your right, to hell with these 100,000 or so people, youre enjoying the game issue free so everyone elses problems are made up or something, ill go let them know...

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 12:55 AM
Same to you. Just because you see problem it doesn't mean it exists. There is no proof that whole problem is created by some problem with your side than with ubisoft. Even if we assume 10% got those problems - THIS IS WITHIN NORMAL RANGE. Not exactly 2 sigma, but still. You can not prove it is problem of UBISOFT if there are people playing with different people. When you base it on "youtube likes", petitions and 2 month old reddit post then sorry but you lack evidence.

Weasel words and pure conjecture.

Indeed there must be some problem somewhere in the pipeline, but as every other program I use behaves and even other ubi games work fine then saying 'problems your end' is redundant.

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 12:59 AM
How many gamers have you even known to actually reply "hell yeah ok, id love to go do that" when asked to go out of their way to register & sign a petition that the dont care about!!?!! Most people dont even sign petitions they do care about. I havent even signed them yet. I think its totally safe to say there are more people that agree this P2P is trash but havent signed the petition, than there are people that just went around signing petitions that dont even apply to them.

"How many of those own the game?"; Well at least the 5000 steam reviews because you need to own the game, probably safe to say many of the 50,000 people that have given those negative reviews a thumbs up have done so because of similar experiences. I would say everyone that has actually gone out of their way to register and sign a petition is a fairy safe assumption too. Probably most of the reviewers, as it would be hard to write an article on a game you have never played, but who knows, maybe your right, there may be a hit piece or two just jumping on the bandwagon.

Not to mention statistically there is always a silent majority that reads the forums and is just waiting on the next patch. But your right, to hell with these 100,000 or so people, youre enjoying the game issue free so everyone elses problems are made up or something, ill go let them know...

100k with problems? Where? If the game would be unplayable for SO many people we wouldn't have so FEW responses.

Have you read those 5000 steam reviews? Does everyone post "it is unplayable"? Or "matchmaking sucks" etc. How many of those are legit and not wrote out of misguided anger towards difficult game mechanic(at least when you got paired with someone much better). You use words "probably", "safe assumption" without providing anything to back it up. You can't expect that thread from 2 month ago, is going to be determinant of how good the game works?

Silent majority works in politics. People usually don't like being scammed(just like you, it doesn't work for you so you are angry) but if that was the case we would see much larger force storming this forum and other places. There would be constant action, not just every couple hours from the same people.

Also, lots of people sign petitions online. Thats why they stopped working. No one care about results of those anymore.

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 01:03 AM
Weasel words and pure conjecture.

Indeed there must be some problem somewhere in the pipeline, but as every other program I use behaves and even other ubi games work fine then saying 'problems your end' is redundant.

Argumentum ad personam and onus probandi. I've stopped discussing with you as you do not provide me with any "argument" that would be rational.

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 01:09 AM
100k with problems? Where? If the game would be unplayable for SO many people we wouldn't have so FEW responses.

Have you read those 5000 steam reviews? Does everyone post "it is unplayable"? Or "matchmaking sucks" etc. How many of those are legit and not wrote out of misguided anger towards difficult game mechanic(at least when you got paired with someone much better). You use words "probably", "safe assumption" without providing anything to back it up. You can't expect that thread from 2 month ago, is going to be determinant of how good the game works?

Silent majority works in politics. People usually don't like being scammed(just like you, it doesn't work for you so you are angry) but if that was the case we would see much larger force storming this forum and other places. There would be constant action, not just every couple hours from the same people.

Also, lots of people sign petitions online. Thats why they stopped working. No one care about results of those anymore.

Fair points. Glad you came round to conceding that there is problems, though faced only by a few comparatively speaking, that would justify them feeling like they have been "scammed" and of course therefore would wish to vent their frustration and 'anger' in the most appropriate place to do so. The forums.

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 01:12 AM
Argumentum ad personam and onus probandi. I've stopped discussing with you as you do not provide me with any "argument" that would be rational.

Said the pot to the kettle.

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 01:12 AM
Fair points. Glad you came round to conceding that there is problems, though faced only by a few comparatively speaking, that would justify them feeling like they have been "scammed" and of course therefore would wish to vent their frustration and 'anger' in the most appropriate place to do so. The forums.

With what? 100 threads? 200? 1000 "dislikes"? 1000 petition signs? You see that numbers do not add up to 280 000 people that are playing on three platforms? You do realize that it doesn't sign that there is problem but that YOU got problem?

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 01:15 AM
With what? 100 threads? 200? 1000 "dislikes"? 1000 petition signs? You see that numbers do not add up to 280 000 people that are playing on three platforms? You do realize that it doesn't sign that there is problem but that YOU got problem?

Ohh, I thought we found a happy place!

SerArthur-Dayne
02-27-2017, 01:46 AM
100k with problems? Where? If the game would be unplayable for SO many people we wouldn't have so FEW responses.

Have you read those 5000 steam reviews? Does everyone post "it is unplayable"? Or "matchmaking sucks" etc. How many of those are legit and not wrote out of misguided anger towards difficult game mechanic(at least when you got paired with someone much better). You use words "probably", "safe assumption" without providing anything to back it up. You can't expect that thread from 2 month ago, is going to be determinant of how good the game works?

Silent majority works in politics. People usually don't like being scammed(just like you, it doesn't work for you so you are angry) but if that was the case we would see much larger force storming this forum and other places. There would be constant action, not just every couple hours from the same people.

Also, lots of people sign petitions online. Thats why they stopped working. No one care about results of those anymore.

If the game would be unplayable for SO many people we wouldn't have so FEW responses.: Not perticularly true. BF4 had the worst launch of any game to date (I stand to be corrected if you can find a worse example) and the forums still only had so many complaining, I didnt bother complaining on the forum either. And there isnt "FEW" responses, you have only claimed its the same people, can you please provide evidence to back up your claim?

Have you read those 5000 steam reviews? No, I have not read 5,000 reviews! What I have done is skimmed the highest rated and top 150-200 or so reviews, and found that P2P is either the sole gripe, or one of the top issues the reviewer had. Assuming linear probability, and allowing for some statistical disparity down the 5,000 or so reviews, it should lead anyone to safely assume a paradigm of causation.

You use words "probably", "safe assumption" without providing anything to back it up. You can't expect that thread from 2 month ago, is going to be determinant of how good the game works : Using those words is simply airing on the side of caution with wording, so as to concede that "maybe there are some false positives". Even though I believe everyone signed that petition because of P2P issues, im simply allowing wiggle room incase there may be a handfull that didnt.

As for evidence.... Ive given you plenty, but you are burying your head in the sand, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Compare the reviews for this game to any other recent AAA, and its clear that people are having issues with P2P.

Also, yes you can expect threads and petitions from 2 months ago to hold relevant now, considering the game has not improved, still has the same P2P system (most have argued its worse than beta, with the popular poll that went around the forum backing up my claim), and has made some mechanics worse (guardbreak) and included bugs that were abscent from beta (PK stabs amoung others). If the game had drastically changed, or in fact changed much at all I would be inclined to agree with you. But since it hasnt, those petitions, reviews, comments, posts, complaints, and videos hold relevant now more than ever.

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 02:03 AM
If the game would be unplayable for SO many people we wouldn't have so FEW responses.: Not perticularly true. BF4 had the worst launch of any game to date (I stand to be corrected if you can find a worse example) and the forums still only had so many complaining, I didnt bother complaining on the forum either. And there isnt "FEW" responses, you have only claimed its the same people, can you please provide evidence to back up your claim?

Have you read those 5000 steam reviews? No, I have not read 5,000 reviews! What I have done is skimmed the highest rated and top 150-200 or so reviews, and found that P2P is either the sole gripe, or one of the top issues the reviewer had. Assuming linear probability, and allowing for some statistical disparity down the 5,000 or so reviews, it should lead anyone to safely assume a paradigm of causation.

You use words "probably", "safe assumption" without providing anything to back it up. You can't expect that thread from 2 month ago, is going to be determinant of how good the game works : Using those words is simply airing on the side of caution with wording, so as to concede that "maybe there are some false positives". Even though I believe everyone signed that petition because of P2P issues, im simply allowing wiggle room incase there may be a handfull that didnt.

As for evidence.... Ive given you plenty, but you are burying your head in the sand, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Compare the reviews for this game to any other recent AAA, and its clear that people are having issues with P2P.

Also, yes you can expect threads and petitions from 2 months ago to hold relevant now, considering the game has not improved, still has the same P2P system (most have argued its worse than beta, with the popular poll that went around the forum backing up my claim), and has made some mechanics worse (guardbreak) and included bugs that were abscent from beta (PK stabs amoung others). If the game had drastically changed, or in fact changed much at all I would be inclined to agree with you. But since it hasnt, those petitions, reviews, comments, posts, complaints, and videos hold relevant now more than ever.

1. And Lineage II on realese of russian official free server was OVERWHELMED with posts about "unable to connect. About 10 new thread with EACH refresh. And that was FREE game. As far as it comes to evidence of same people writing same stuff. This forum. You will see same nicks over and over and over again. You are free to disagree but I do not care that much to spend couple of hours to go through those and prove it to you(you know...cause game works for me)

2. P2P being problem? Did they stated that they are unable to play entirely? Or just exaggerating their problems? I was watching one stream for 2 hours and during that time he had TWO synchronizing issues and one issue with "unable to join full que" and he was ranting as if for whole 2 hours he wasn't able to play.

3.Ok, lets assume that. We go 1500 signs of petition. Not even 1% of players... So we can safely assume that problem is almost nonexisting.

4. No evidence so far besides top 20k likes on youtube video. That is no proof.

5. No they are no longer reliable. Why? Cause it only proves that there is no such thing as GLOBAL problem with the game, 2 month old things are showing that people didn't like this in beta but now? Silence?

In game such as For Honor dedicated servers would mean much higher lags(depending on distance to server) and much more people that WOULD be unable to play because of those.

SerArthur-Dayne
02-27-2017, 02:29 AM
1. And Lineage II on realese of russian official free server was OVERWHELMED with posts about "unable to connect. About 10 new thread with EACH refresh. And that was FREE game. As far as it comes to evidence of same people writing same stuff. This forum. You will see same nicks over and over and over again. You are free to disagree but I do not care that much to spend couple of hours to go through those and prove it to you(you know...cause game works for me)

2. P2P being problem? Did they stated that they are unable to play entirely? Or just exaggerating their problems? I was watching one stream for 2 hours and during that time he had TWO synchronizing issues and one issue with "unable to join full que" and he was ranting as if for whole 2 hours he wasn't able to play.

3.Ok, lets assume that. We go 1500 signs of petition. Not even 1% of players... So we can safely assume that problem is almost nonexisting.

4. No evidence so far besides top 20k likes on youtube video. That is no proof.

5. No they are no longer reliable. Why? Cause it only proves that there is no such thing as GLOBAL problem with the game, 2 month old things are showing that people didn't like this in beta but now? Silence?

In game such as For Honor dedicated servers would mean much higher lags(depending on distance to server) and much more people that WOULD be unable to play because of those.

1. Maybe thats why ive never heard of that game. Because its dead and no one cares about it.

2. Again, just pure speculation. Taking one anecdotal piece of evidence where we just have to take your word for it. And then blanketing that over everyones issues. This is attempting to pidgeon hole one example to fit everyones.

3. This is where I take major issue with your entire form of reasoning. Thats not how statistics and probabilities work at all (which is what we are trying to establish given the evidence we both have). And im sorry but youre using feminist reasoning.

This is your reasoning: 6,300 people have left positive steam reviews. Given the 280,000 players (just quoting your figure of total players) own this game, this MUST mean that 273,700 players are having issues with this game because they havent reported a positive review.

If a shop sells 10,000 cartons of milk that are spoiled, yet say only 200 come in to complain, that does automatically mean only 200 bad cartons of milk were sold. It just means theres probably 9,800 people that will just silently go to a different shop the next time.

A better indication shoud be that 45% of people are leaving negative reviews on steam, evidently because of peer to peer and poor matchmaking.

4. given you plenty & It is

5. Theres no silence now? what? Every second or third thread is a new petition or rant about the P2P. And yes its still relevant because nothing has changed...

SiewcaRaka
02-27-2017, 02:38 AM
1. Maybe thats why ive never heard of that game. Because its dead and no one cares about it.

2. Again, just pure speculation. Taking one anecdotal piece of evidence where we just have to take your word for it. And then blanketing that over everyones issues. This is attempting to pidgeon hole one example to fit everyones.

3. This is where I take major issue with your entire form of reasoning. Thats not how statistics and probabilities work at all (which is what we are trying to establish given the evidence we both have). And im sorry but youre using feminist reasoning.

This is your reasoning: 6,300 people have left positive steam reviews. Given the 280,000 players (just quoting your figure of total players) own this game, this MUST mean that 273,700 players are having issues with this game because they havent reported a positive review.

If a shop sells 10,000 cartons of milk that are spoiled, yet say only 200 come in to complain, that does automatically mean only 200 bad cartons of milk were sold. It just means theres probably 9,800 people that will just silently go to a different shop the next time.

A better indication shoud be that 45% of people are leaving negative reviews on steam, evidently because of peer to peer and poor matchmaking.

4. given you plenty & It is

5. Theres no silence now? what? Every second or third thread is a new petition or rant about the P2P. And yes its still relevant because nothing has changed...

1. 800k players during opening sure might be small game :D
2.You do the exact same thing. "I got problem, and some others got problem so everyone got problem".petitio principi.
3. No. You got 200 cartons of milk that you KNOW are bad. You can test your hypothesis to see if "majority" was bad. But it doesn't mean that 9800 are probably bad right away. You can't connect 2% to whole population when it comes to bad. Then again - People that CAN'T PLAY got reason to complain about game, while those that CAN play just FINE got no reason besides the fact that they want to write review.
4. Ok ill reply in the same manner. You didn't give even one and No it isn.
5.Every second? Exaggerating much? And it is no relevant cause things have changed...Some of those DO NOT OWN A COPY OF A GAME. 2 Months ago they played beta, now not everyone plays official release.

troops_2015
02-27-2017, 10:47 AM
1. 800k players during opening sure might be small game :D
2.You do the exact same thing. "I got problem, and some others got problem so everyone got problem".petitio principi.
3. No. You got 200 cartons of milk that you KNOW are bad. You can test your hypothesis to see if "majority" was bad. But it doesn't mean that 9800 are probably bad right away. You can't connect 2% to whole population when it comes to bad. Then again - People that CAN'T PLAY got reason to complain about game, while those that CAN play just FINE got no reason besides the fact that they want to write review.
4. Ok ill reply in the same manner. You didn't give even one and No it isn.
5.Every second? Exaggerating much? And it is no relevant cause things have changed...Some of those DO NOT OWN A COPY OF A GAME. 2 Months ago they played beta, now not everyone plays official release.

I know you don't want to talk to me anymore but I felt it only fair to say that I do, in some regards, agree with you.

"3. People that cant play got reason to complain..."

But they don't have reason enough to say "the game is broken" as that could well imply that it doesn't work at all for anybody at any time, or even, doesn't work well enough, for enough people, enough of the time and neither of those statements I actually hold to be true.

I think if some one is venting some frustration the nice thing to do would be just let them but that is another matter entirely.