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frag_bravo
01-22-2004, 03:49 PM
I have the Geforce4 ti4200.Is there one better?What are your views

frag_bravo
01-22-2004, 03:49 PM
I have the Geforce4 ti4200.Is there one better?What are your views

lbhskier37
01-22-2004, 04:06 PM
right now, probably Radeon 9800XT.

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badaboom.1
01-22-2004, 04:38 PM
RADEON 9800XT is that the one that costs about $500.00?

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depalmer
01-22-2004, 05:20 PM
It is the one you can pay for. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I am building a new system and would love to get a ATI Radeon 9800XT. It's probably the best Consumer level card. It's also well over $300.
I ended up buying a Geforce FX 5900Se came with a full version of Call of Duty all for $186.00 Is it the best? No it's not but I can afford it. It's also faster then the ATI 9600XT and is just only a bit slower then the fastest Geforce 5950 several of the reviewers on newegg.com say it can easily stand to be overclocked to full Geforce FX 5900 speeds and beyond.Now if only I could decide what motherboard and CPU and Ram to get. (Thinking of Soyo Dragon Ultra Plat with a AMD XP 3000)
http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/gffx_5900xt.shtml
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
I have the Geforce4 ti4200.Is there one better?What are your views<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message was edited by depalmer on Sat January 24 2004 at 11:50 AM.]

LeadSpitter_
01-22-2004, 07:51 PM
the nvidia FX 5950 ultra 256k beats the ati 9800XT 256k now the fx5900 didnt.

The ati beats it slightly in higher res and AA / AF which is cleaner looking graphics but so little the human eye cant notice.

I'd wait 2-5 months the 512k cards are coming out soon

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Bearcat99
01-22-2004, 10:29 PM
Ill get a 256 K card in a few months. They say that todays rigs dont handle the extra ram but I gotta say I saw a 9600 256 and let me tell you...the textures were incredible!! the FRs were so so.. I wound up taking it back and getting a 9500Pro which I dont regret but the textures on the 9600256 were definitely better. They jumped out at you. I will wait for my BoB upgrade and see whats out then. I am just about where I want to be, I just want to get a better video card.....the 9500 Pro is nice mind you but I want a 9800 XT or a 9800 256 at least. I havent ruled out GForce either.....
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Spinne_3.-JG51
01-22-2004, 10:40 PM
I suspect that Oleg's team uses Nvidia hardware to develope FB and now BoB. So FB does give marginally higher framerates with Nvidia hardware. But in general, ATI outperforms Nvidia, especially in the latest Dx9.0 games. It boils down to your gaming needs. If you play a wide variety of recent titles, buy ATI software. If you're only interested in FB, buy Nvidia. In either case, if you want to turn on every bell and whistle in FB, buy only the enthusiast catagory cards - the Radeon 9800XT or the Geforce FX5950. You really don't need the 256MB versions but they're good if you've got money to burn like fuel in an afterburner.

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WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 12:54 AM
Nvidia latest is faster without filtering

ATI9800 XT has a nicer look while being JUST about as fast

the AGP slot is what holds graphics cards speeds down

with PCI-Xpress motherboards you wont have that problem

buy as big & as fast a graphics card as you can afford

next gen , twin CPU graphics cards are only a month or 2 away

now is NOT the time to buy .... sit on the GPU you have now & wait

TaZ_Attack
01-23-2004, 01:02 AM
Stick with ATI whatever you do...nVidia lost a lot of customers due to over-confidence. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Alexi_Alx_Anova
01-23-2004, 01:15 AM
I think the Radeon 9800XT is the fastest at the moment. The GeForce FX5950 may give it some competition but it's just an overclocked 5900 so it comes with the same DX9 deficiencies.

Keep in mind that the new Prescott CPU is being released on 2 Feb. Then there will be the Grantsdale chipset with the new ICH6 some time in March (29 I think is the scheduled release date). By mid year mobos will be changing from the 468 socket to the new 775 socket. I suspect once that happens, PCI-express will be the choice for all mobos. In other words, if you want to upgrade your CPU at the end of the year, you are likely to NEED a new 775 mobo and that will likely NOT support an AGP card. i.e., you may only get 12 months out of your rather expensive card purchase. Personally I'm holding off any computer upgrades until the end of the year. Sad, but this will be an exceptional year for hardware evolution.

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Spinne_3.-JG51
01-23-2004, 02:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alexi_Alx_Anova:
I think the Radeon 9800XT is the fastest at the moment. The GeForce FX5950 may give it some competition but it's just an overclocked 5900 so it comes with the same DX9 deficiencies.

Keep in mind that the new Prescott CPU is being released on 2 Feb. Then there will be the Grantsdale chipset with the new ICH6 some time in March (29 I think is the scheduled release date). By mid year mobos will be changing from the 468 socket to the new 775 socket. I suspect once that happens, PCI-express will be the choice for all mobos. In other words, if you want to upgrade your CPU at the end of the year, you are likely to NEED a new 775 mobo and that will likely NOT support an AGP card. i.e., you may only get 12 months out of your rather expensive card purchase. Personally I'm holding off any computer upgrades until the end of the year. Sad, but this will be an exceptional year for hardware evolution.

Alexi

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PCI Express will make no difference to the speeds with which current graphics cards can render. The AGP 8X bus itself isn't stressed out at present. Dual GPU cards generally don't perform as well as single chip solutions because of problems such as terrible bandwidth between the co-processors, shared memory etc... You'd have to make the card much more expensive to eradicate all these defeciencies. On a per dollar basis, single chip colutions pay better. Currently the only dual GPU card in sight is the XGI Volari V8 Ultra. Tom's Hardware has some very uncomplimentary things to say about this card. I'm posting the link here.

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031107/index.html

Your best bet is to get a Radeon9800XT now. By the time PCIExpress mobos and cards become affordable, it'll be time to change your system anyway( i.e. 1-1.5 yrs from now). You don't need anything more than a Radeon9800XT or a GeForceFX 5950 to play FB, and I suggest you save up cash for a iller rig for BoB.

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Rajvosa
01-23-2004, 02:46 AM
Ahhh... the never ending story! NoVIDIA or ATi? I frankly don't know which one is the BEST, but I would go for R 9800Pro or XT. Pro is much cheaper, but delivers almost the same performance. Should't there be a spring update soon? I mean, on a historic scale, both companies launch new products in March and September...



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WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 03:40 AM
tests show Nvidia making more FPS with no AA or AF


ATI goes to a lower max AF & AA
but makes more FPS when AA or AF are set on

ATI makes for a faster card with AF & AA set on (& with such fast cards why not set it on)

the limitation for GPU's at the moment is the AGP slot

AGP 8X is unattainable ...... is no faster than AGP 4X

PCI-Xpress wont make the GPU faster but will allow more bandwidth between GPU & CPU

PCI-Xpress will make for less traffic jams as well .... info between CPU & periphials will stream better

twin GPU cards with 512 mb RAM are the way ahead

basic horsepower is needed to stress the next gen CPU (.09 micron)

twin GPU will allow even more detail for every frame

for computers the way they are now twinGPU is not needed .... no benefit , they are for the next gen Mobo's (PCI-Xpress)

WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 03:43 AM
for the first time in a LONG time the : ....
1) Nvidia FX5950
& the
2 ATI 9800 XT

....... are not just a small incremental increase in performance

they both show a decent jump in FPS over their perdecessors in real world gaming
(as opposed to benchmarking)

Alexi_Alx_Anova
01-23-2004, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spinne_3.-JG51:
PCI Express will make no difference to the speeds with which current graphics cards can render. The AGP 8X bus itself isn't stressed out at present....etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spinne_3.-JG51, I wasn't making any statements about PCI-express being better graphics and I don't know where double GPU's came from! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

My argument is simply about investing in the face of approaching obsolescence. Despite the pros and cons of PCI-express, both ATI and NVidia have stated that they will no longer be making AGP cards but are switching to PCI-express. That means new mobos will increasingly come with only PCI-express. Sure, for a while there will be hybrid PCI-express AGP mobos, but it is not certain how long this transition will take. It could be by the end of the year, it could be by the end of 2005.

If I invest top dollar in a new graphics card, I'd like to ensure it will be compatible with any new mobo I may buy. Before PCI_express this was no problem, but now it is a different story.

I want to get a Prescott chip with the Alderwood (i925X) chipset (it will handle DDR2 while the Grantsdale chipset will only be DDR). That should be by about the end of the year or start of 2005 (just in time for BoB and Oleg's prediction that we will need to upgrade our computers). By that time I expect the mobos will be 775 slot and PCI-express. I therefore don't want to spend 250+ on a new card now and only get 12 months of use from it and with little re-sale potential.

Just some economics to consider. I agree, it is based on hazy predictions of release dates and is frustrating that I will have to 'put up' with my Ti4600 until then.

Alexi

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B16Enk
01-23-2004, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
I have the Geforce4 ti4200.Is there one better?What are your views<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I went from the same card as you to a 9600XT in it was much, much better.

So much so I then went for the 9800XT, which I get tomorrow.
S*d waiting for the next models, I've spent most of my life waiting for the next best thing.
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