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surlybirch
04-07-2004, 04:45 PM

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04-07-2004, 04:45 PM

crazyivan1970
04-07-2004, 04:49 PM
SURLY, please check your Privat topics.

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BpGemini
04-07-2004, 04:50 PM
Don't ban any planes.
Let them pick their Uber planes, it makes it just that much more challenging and delightful to shoot them down.

It sounds like whining when people complain about this plane or that plane.
Just get up there and kick it's arse.

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crazyivan1970
04-07-2004, 05:02 PM
Surely, i completely understand frustrations that people might have, but... to La7 is just a plane and could be owned by late LW birds, but much depence on the pilot really... You might say what if pilots are equal skills...then it`s a plane. And La7 doesn`t have what it takes... Btw, before you open that flame thrower, i am talking about "full" switch or close to it.

Thanks for understanding tho mate...

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

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04-07-2004, 05:04 PM
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PBNA-Boosher
04-07-2004, 05:14 PM
Dam man, just learn to fly against it.

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04-07-2004, 05:14 PM
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Bearcat99
04-07-2004, 05:16 PM
To ban a plane for any other reason other than you just want a certain plane set or time frame scenario is......... something I wouldnt do... and Ill leave it at that.

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GK.
04-07-2004, 05:16 PM
ban the hell out of it.
and ban the yak3 3b20 when it comes out.

pudsterIV
04-07-2004, 05:18 PM
Always going to be planes that a better than others, la-7 was one of the best late war fighters.

carguy_
04-07-2004, 05:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
and ban the yak3 3b20 when it comes out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LMAO great Idea!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

I say BAN EACH AND EVERY KILL STEALER!!!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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crazyivan1970
04-07-2004, 05:21 PM
They really got to you didn`t they..carguy? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

lil_labbit
04-07-2004, 05:22 PM
I say ban all planes but the ones that are realy crappy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif that way we will have better gameplay online too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif (less data to go over the net) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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VW-IceFire
04-07-2004, 05:30 PM
La 7 is perfectly beatable. It can't manuver well at high speeds (I've run inexperienced La 7 pilots into the ground while they try and follow my much more responsive FW190), its firepower is excellently concentrated but it requires you to be a good shot and lag and defensive tactics usually negate that on all but the more experienced pilots, and at high altitude (i.e. 7000 meters) its pretty much on even grounds or at a disadvantage to most Luftwaffe fighters of the period.

Only fighter I have a problem with at the moment is the 109Z...it has no weaknesses that I have discovered yet.

Comment about the original poster and what he experienced. You may have seen lag and/or a zoom climb and it does not accurately reflect the actual climb ability of the plane if you compaired it against something that historically should climb faster.

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SeaFireLIV
04-07-2004, 05:43 PM
This is getting ridiculous. Western planes are provided and now some want to ban Russian planes like the LA7? What the?! You, in your opinion just can`t take it so you wanna ban it? Start on that road and you may as well ban every single plane that looks at you funny!

To accuse of bias like this with no evidence except `Shouldn`t beat my plane` is sad. First the KI-84 and now the LA7. What next? Very sad.

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faustnik
04-07-2004, 05:43 PM
Surly is no nOOb, he knows what he's talking about. If people want to put their head in the sand fine, but, don't attack him for asking a question.

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lil_labbit
04-07-2004, 05:49 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

Only fighter I have a problem with at the moment is the 109Z...it has no weaknesses that I have discovered yet.

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Maple_Tiger
04-07-2004, 05:53 PM
I voted No, keep'em.

Why?

Bececause they are downable. Even the KI-84's are downable.

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Korolov
04-07-2004, 05:59 PM
No need to ban it. It was there historically - so it has every right to be there as say, a Bf-109K-4.

Only real deterrent to La-7 is to go so high it can no longer keep up (in excess of 7k), or dive so fast that it breaks up.

Also, isn't it possible that the La-7 did a dive and then zoom up?

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04-07-2004, 06:33 PM
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SlickStick
04-07-2004, 06:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by surlybirch:
I mean if I was writin' the code, my favorite plane, the Mustang, would fly like a friggin X-Wing too~!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the Mustang turns as easily as the La7, as do all planes in FB really. I see many flyers out turn La7s with Mustangs.

The only differences in how long each plane can be thrown around is based on where it fits in the turning heirarchy of the game's code and how long it can sustain the tightest circle, meaning E-retention/bleed.

In my experience, and of the late-war planes, the La7 turns almost equal to a Yak3, but with slightly more e-retention and out turns the Ki-84 in sustained loops as well. It out turns all late 109s, although F4s/G2s are a tough turn, and I know Mustang jocks that can turn and climb with an La7 as closely as the two planes' modeling allows.

The La7 was faster on the deck than the Mustang and people have to realize that the Mustang and almost all other planes in the game are not going to out perform the La7 Ace below 3000m without employing some grey matter.

Given the real life place that the La7 actually fits, I think it fits in very well with the currently modeled planeset and as has been posted, the smart pilot uses his plane's strengths to exploit the La7s weaknesses, usually in the vertical or at high speed.

The Mustang is more than capable of bringing down Veteran and Ace La7 pilots. It turns great and I find the B and Z to be quite good when keeping the speed over 650km/h and slammin' those .50s at exact convergence.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I won't say learn to fly or anything rude, but the plane isn't that far, if any, out of the boundaries of the current planeset, IMO. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-07-2004, 06:40 PM
Ice, out turn or out run the 109Z, and shoot it's engines. Grab a Spit or an La7 (hee!) or a Yak3, or a Ki84 and rope him into a turn fight. If he won't bite, climb away and find a perch. If he turns to follow, you can come back around and bite him. Especially with the Ki as he will bleed speed and not be able to recover as quickly as you. If he doesn't follow, find your perch and look for him again, then dive on him and blast him.

Z's aren't much really. I think people just underestimate them.

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Maple_Tiger
04-07-2004, 06:49 PM
At high speeds the P-51 can out turn an La7. The P-51 had very good high speed manuverability in real life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But if your saying that the P-51 can out turn an La7 at med to low speeds then your full of it.

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AKA_PLT_VICTOR
04-07-2004, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
No need to ban it. It was there historically - so it has every right to be there as say, a Bf-109K-4.

Only real deterrent to La-7 is to go so high it can no longer keep up (in excess of 7k), or dive so fast that it breaks up.

Also, isn't it possible that the La-7 did a dive and then zoom up?

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LOL I don't get it why they whine about the LA. Your exactly right though. I love the LA series to death, fly them the most. Their not exactly an even fight against a good LW pilot. I've had them as high as 9k doing great. A little slower, turn a bit slower and don't bother diving to follow him down, you'll kill the engine fast or break apart. If you do dive to get a quik shot on him, the LA acts like a flying brick and as you finally zoom back up you'll lose a bit of altitude where most LW planes tend to regain all their alt faster after a dive. If you don't keep your eye on him, the LW pilot will most likely be above you faster then you and just end up doing circles around while he's sawing away at your wings. lol If you can sneak into a good LW pilot, you got him bagged just like in any other plane. You can get some decent kills against an LW pilot as long as you think of it as a mostly TnB, and keep your alt advantage. Step outside of that tactic in the LA and your dead. It's a good low to mid-range altitude fighter but sucks a bit on those high altitudes.

I love flying the 109 except the GS6/AS and 190 series also and I'll always exploit them against the LA since I know the LA's weakness.Expecially in the 190, that thing loves to dive and zoom.

Their all good planes. No-such thing as a "noob" or "uber" plane. lol It's just a matter of exploiting their strongest points. You wouldn't turn fight with a spit in a 190 would you?

boohaa
04-07-2004, 07:16 PM
Have you guys notice how much Oleg chopped the La7 climb in newest Il2-Compare?

Ki_Rin
04-07-2004, 08:22 PM
Ive heard the turn rate in La7s too high...but I know they are good planes, but they do seem SO noob...like ANY idiot can get kills in it, it sflight is seamless, the gunnery is RIDICULOUSLY easy in it ( the ridiculous part comes from an asymetric gun platform in a (?) 7000lb a.c. with almost no shake, and 17ooolb centerline 38 with mor eshake than Jerry Lee Lewis!)
Dont ban them, just feel pity for the noobs that fly them....BAN THE "fake" 109Z instead

S77th-brooks
04-07-2004, 08:54 PM
i say keep them in ,they give a great dog fight one on one ,sure it sux when theres three hung over base as the same if its k4,s ki any thing well flew, but this is were servers should have two bases for each team /easy /sum were to fall back to as in real life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jrobi888
04-07-2004, 09:46 PM
Lets just all submit screenshots of all of the aircraft that whinebanners want banned from the online servers to prove that they can be defeated so there will be no more talk of banning certain aircraft. The problem might be that the planes they prefer to fly may not be as menaeuverable as one that someone else might choose to fly . Learn how to use your planes strengths and then to exploit the weaknesses of your enemies plane and remember that at he beginning of the war germany had the most agile fighters but the fighters that russia developed toward the end of the war (LA-7 and YAK's) were far more agile than anything produced and put into service by Germany,Britain or America which is hard for me, a proud American to admit but it is true. So if your are going to fly...say, a Bf109 against a '44 Yak or LA than most of the time it will not go good for you but get to Know the capabilities of your own aircraft and you can find ways to win. That is how American Pilots survived and won many battles against the more agile 109's in the early years of the war in slow turners like the P-47 because they did not try to mimic the moves of the 109's they used their speed (Boom and Zoom) to even up the contest. So let's see those screenshots.

WUAF_Badsight
04-07-2004, 10:30 PM
why ban it ?

if its all planes or a 44 plane set then leave it in !

Maj_Death
04-07-2004, 10:45 PM
I voted for banning it but I don't normally do that in my server. The base model La-7 is an important eastern front plane and so you can't ban it and still have a realistic server unless the server is meant to be early 1944 or earlier. I hate the La-7 but I have a better and far more realistic solution to it. Allow the Me-262 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Banning the La-7 is unrealistic and so is banning the Me-262. My approach to fairness is if the majority of players want an important frontline fighter on the other side banned, then that other side gets to ban any plane on the whinners side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. If I ban the La-7, I ban the Me-262. If I allow the La-7, I allow the Me-262.

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Weather_Man
04-07-2004, 10:59 PM
I laugh at the La's. They scare me not. In fact, I rather enjoy going up against them. Leave em so I can kill em.

DangerForward
04-07-2004, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Don't ban any planes.
Let them pick their Uber planes, it makes it just that much more challenging and delightful to shoot them down.

It sounds like whining when people complain about this plane or that plane.
Just get up there and kick it's arse.

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I totally agree, and bytheway that post over on acompletewasteofspace where you say, "Dat'll do pig. Dat'll do." makes me laugh everytime I think of it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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04-08-2004, 11:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
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NorrisMcWhirter
04-08-2004, 12:01 PM
Hi,

No way..keep the La7 - it's a challenge. Get rid of the P38, though, with that ridiculous DM!

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BpGemini
04-08-2004, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DangerForward:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Don't ban any planes.
Let them pick their Uber planes, it makes it just that much more challenging and delightful to shoot them down.

It sounds like whining when people complain about this plane or that plane.
Just get up there and kick it's arse.

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I totally agree, and bytheway that post over on acompletewasteofspace where you say, "Dat'll do pig. Dat'll do." makes me laugh everytime I think of it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Capt.LoneRanger
04-08-2004, 01:17 PM
You just gotta know how to handle the different a/c. La's are, well, a bit tough, but definately not invincible. It's more the fact that there are so many people flying this plane.
If you want to ban a plane, that would be the Bf109Z. It has the flight characteristics of an G2, the firepower of 2 G2 with gunpods and the damage-resistance of a he111.

Oh, one word to the Mustang: Just killed 2 La's yesterday online with it. If you get used to that plane, it's really a lethal weapon, and downing an La is far from impossible.

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Usberet
04-08-2004, 02:06 PM
It's just a plane, I've taken out LA7's a few times w/ HurricaneIIB's and even P40s.

They black out easy and don't dive well, use it agasint them.

GK.
04-08-2004, 02:17 PM
i was flying the la7 arcade style last night in slammin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif
I accumulated 3000 points in under an hour and a half and was shot down once. Most of the people i kept downing got pissed off and left. Then one guy that was flying a bf came back in the server in an la and i downed him instantly and he disconnected for good. I say keep the la7 as long as good pilots dont fly it but keep it in ARGAYDE where it belongs. THis flight model has no business being in servers aimed at historical accuracy.

crazyivan1970
04-08-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
i was flying the la7 arcade style last night in slammin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif
I accumulated 3000 points in under an hour and a half and was shot down once. Most of the people i kept downing got pissed off and left. Then one guy that was flying a bf came back in the server in an la and i downed him instantly and he disconnected for good. I say keep the la7 as long as good pilots dont fly it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LW_lcarp
04-08-2004, 02:36 PM
I say Ban the LA 7 with the 3 shavks.

As not that many seen any action, Heres a link for ya http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/lavochkin_la-7.htm and notice the paragraph that reads "Although the La-7 was initially designed with the three-cannon arrangement, only about 368 were delivered in this configuration, compared with more than 3000 two-cannon La-7's delivered."

Or if they could figure out a way to restrict the amount of planes of a type (ie 3 Yak 3, 3 LA 7, ! LA7 3X 20mmshavks, 3 109G 6AS, 3 190A9, 1 KI 84 Ic) then it wouldnt be so bad and Historical accuracy would be made alot more enjoyable

And you can fly a real LA also you just have to go here http://www.hobby-lobby.com/la-7.htm

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-08-2004, 02:40 PM
You know, the trouble with overall banning (the mentality and the action) is that everybody has a different idea of what should be banned. Eventually, nothing will be left.

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AKA_PLT_VICTOR
04-08-2004, 02:56 PM
LOL Whinners noob this noob that! Sounds to me like some just cant fly their favorite plane right and when something comes along to give them a bit of a challenge they scream "NOOB" or "UBER" plane. Well go ahead and ban it if you like. I'll get kills in the crappiest of VVS fighter there is still. LOL I'll even fly LW planes and get some kills.

Funny thing is, I always see the furball of noobs down at around 2k and never or hardly see any action up around 5-7k. I always encounter the best pilots in that range. Get to know the a/c's strongest, weakest points, use a bit of strategy and quit whinning! LOL

BpGemini
04-08-2004, 03:56 PM
Just say NO to banning and YES to getting up their and kicking E.T.s arse!

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CaptainGelo
04-08-2004, 04:08 PM
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and I almost never fly it(**** now I think about it it must be 6monthe since I last time tryed it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif)...its 2easy..but banning it?!!?! GET A LIVE! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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[This message was edited by crazyivan1970 on Thu April 08 2004 at 03:09 PM.]

crazyivan1970
04-08-2004, 04:08 PM
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

CaptainGelo
04-08-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
more 262s flew in 1942 than Mig-3U's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not realy... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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CaptainGelo
04-08-2004, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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maybe I'm wrong? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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CaptainGelo
04-08-2004, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.: THis flight model has no business being in servers aimed at historical accuracy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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crazyivan1970
04-08-2004, 04:18 PM
You right, but bad choice of words http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

CaptainGelo
04-08-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You right, but bad choice of words http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-08-2004, 04:26 PM
ban it together with the 109K4 109Z Ki84 yak3 and viola
its so simple and every boddy is happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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GK.
04-08-2004, 04:36 PM
k4 climbs a couple m/s too fast but other than that its spot on. The energy retention, turn rate, and dmg resistance of the la7 are hopelessly skewed.

SlickStick
04-08-2004, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
At high speeds the P-51 can out turn an La7. The P-51 had very good high speed manuverability in real life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But if your saying that the P-51 can out turn an La7 at med to low speeds then your full of it.

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I beg to differ and will clarify my above statement. I have flown with several Ace Stang jocks who can get inside of an La7 in the first loop to loop 1/2. I have done it as well.

If the Stang can carry just 20km/h to 30km/h more speed into the first loop, the Ace can open a window of opportunity for a snap shot on the La7. All you have to do is wound an La7 wing and you can just keep following him into the turn and finish him. If you don't get the wounding/crippling shot on the La7 and try to keep looping or circling though, it's usually over for the poor Stang Jock. hehe

As with any statement made by me, your mileage may vary. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Funny thing, Kozhedub downed two P-51s that inadvertantly attacked him. I bet his La7 was over-modeled, too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
04-08-2004, 06:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by oleg86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
more 262s flew in 1942 than Mig-3U's <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not realy... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


yes really

its a fact

SlickStick
04-08-2004, 06:26 PM
Hey Bad, look me up later. I'm putting up an EXT PAD only server later on Hyperlobby. Stop by if you're not busy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sorry for the interruption, I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

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Whatsmypassword
04-08-2004, 07:48 PM
Actually sulrebirch stole this idea from Luftwaffe pilots. They started demanding to ban La-5FN, La-7, Yak-9T, Yak-3 in 1943-44.

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VW-IceFire
04-08-2004, 11:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Ice, out turn or out run the 109Z, and shoot it's engines. Grab a Spit or an La7 (hee!) or a Yak3, or a Ki84 and rope him into a turn fight. If he won't bite, climb away and find a perch. If he turns to follow, you can come back around and bite him. Especially with the Ki as he will bleed speed and not be able to recover as quickly as you. If he doesn't follow, find your perch and look for him again, then dive on him and blast him.

Z's aren't much really. I think people just underestimate them.

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Outrunning the 109Z seems to be a problem since they catch FW190D-9 and Mustangs on the deck (a common place to be after a pitched dogfight with any plane). Out turning I will try for certain. Usually the problem is that once you're into a turn you are still exposed and the awesome firepower comes to bear http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

La 7's are definately the cure for the 109Z since the La 7 can seemingly catch them on the deck and they are generally more agile than the 109Z...but they don't have the firepower so accurate shooting is certainly required. Three rapid fire B-20's will do the trick nicely I do think.

Two things to comment on in this thread as well:

1) Three hundred is not a small number of fighters to be equipped. Some versions of frontline Spitfires numbered around 100 built, the Tempest V which was a fairly prominent RAF fighter by the end of the war was somewhere just under 1000 with less than 100 of the Series 1 fighter built.

2) I've tested turn times of the La 7 and found them to be fairly accurate. I did the test 10 times at 1000 meters with a turn time of 20 seconds...which is listed online and in the object viewer. As others have pointed out...Yak 3, Mustang, Spitfire, and others potentially turn inside of this fighter...you just can't throw them around the same way.

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WUAF_Co_Hero
04-09-2004, 01:17 AM
To be completely frank with you::

Banning an a/c is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard (so long as it's not a jet). The LA-7 is not UBER, and is not impossible to defeat... and a 2500m zoom climb into a loop is only relevant when the amount of E the pilot had is shared.. he could have been going nearly 800 when he pulled into that climb. There are far worse UBER a/c IMO anyways..

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Stalker58
04-09-2004, 02:49 AM
I would't ban anything on full switch servers but on arcade ones, there is a problem because not all palnes are able to fight to its full strength

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

MornJW
04-09-2004, 03:08 AM
Yeah yeah yeah, Russia could never make one of the best fighters of the war right. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
I bet you even think a F-15 is better than a Su-27 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
04-09-2004, 03:09 AM
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good one!

But actually, '43 and later Nazi's wanted to ban many things, like counterattacks, mudd and loosing a battle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Infact, I think with the US entering the war, the Nazis even would have liked to make a screenshot and leave the server, because it quickly became unfair odds. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

To bad for them, there was no quicksave option. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif - maybe if they had one integrated in WW1, they even didn't have to restart the mission in WW2? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-09-2004, 07:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Outrunning the 109Z seems to be a problem since they catch FW190D-9 and Mustangs on the deck (a common place to be after a pitched dogfight with any plane). Out turning I will try for certain. Usually the problem is that once you're into a turn you are still exposed and the awesome firepower comes to bear http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even a hideously nerfed ride like the P-47D-27 can catch it by diving, even gently, on it.

That's the key. It only does about 600kph at 0m. Find a plane faster than that, or, dive on it. What you should not do, is assume you should be able to beat it when at an E disadvantage, unless you are in a turner and successfully rope him into a turn fight.

The P-51, 190, and 152 all dive more than well enough to catch even a flat out running 109Z on the deck.

No matter what you are in, get altitude. Once you get that, get speed. Really, this is advice for any plane vs any plane (well, except for maybe the Yak3, they don't enjoy being above 3Km too much. lol). Don't follow him into a zoom climb, and don't try to run if you can't dive and he can, or if you can't dive and know he's faster.

And as I said, if he runs and you are too low and too slow to catch him, let him go and climb away from him but keep an eye out. If he continues, you'll have a better position next time. If he comes back around, you'll have the advantage.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>La 7's are definately the cure for the 109Z since the La 7 can seemingly catch them on the deck and they are generally more agile than the 109Z...but they don't have the firepower so accurate shooting is certainly required. Three rapid fire B-20's will do the trick nicely I do think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Ki's are fast enough too, but I don't care for flying the Japanese stuff, so I don't know it well enough to say for certain. But it certainly accelerates like a funny car. That could make all the difference. Especially if you are using the C with those cannons.

And like all 109s, it's vulnerable to the engines. Hit them a few times with almost anything and you can just wait for the bearings to start singing and he'll slow down, then you can put enough into him to get the kill credit if nothing else.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>2) I've tested turn times of the La 7 and found them to be fairly accurate. I did the test 10 times at 1000 meters with a turn time of 20 seconds...which is listed online and in the object viewer. As others have pointed out...Yak 3, Mustang, Spitfire, and others potentially turn inside of this fighter...you just can't throw them around the same way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I fought JimmyGiro once with him in a 190D and me in an La7. He was practically turning with me! But, we know those brits cheat. Some of them even admit it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I really like the La7 now. It's no longer an Su-27 masquerading as a WWII prop fighter.

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BlitzPig_DDT
04-09-2004, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Co_Hero:
To be completely frank with you::

Banning an a/c is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard (so long as it's not a jet). The LA-7 is not UBER, and is not impossible to defeat... and a 2500m zoom climb into a loop is only relevant when the amount of E the pilot had is shared.. he could have been going nearly 800 when he pulled into that climb. There are far worse UBER a/c IMO anyways..

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Hero, the last time you were on my server and left once I got in a jet, later on, I went red, and all of blue went in jets. None of us on red followed suit. It was a blast. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jet killin' in a prop is not that hard. Grab a P-51, get an alt advantage and dive on them, and just spray'n'pray. Works with the US fighters since Oleg has seen fit to give them a-histori gun spreads that make bird shot look like a single slug. lol The wide, erratic spray of rounds will almost always tag an engine. Or if not, do enough damage that they slow down and turn worse.

Teamwork for the props helps too naturally. lol We had P-38s, P-51s, La7s and Spits out there and made the jet jocks look like the keystone cops. lol

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