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glottis77
04-30-2004, 12:20 PM
...is that damn I16. i hate it!!!! i guess that the turn characterstics might be o.k., it maybe climbs too well, BUT: since i hate this thing so much i sometimes put myself in a modern plane against it in QMB - today i flew a Me262 - and guess what: we go head-on, i hit it with my 30mm cannons, and...nothing! it survived! it survived a cannon hit which is maybe bigger than the plane!!!!!!!!! o.k., apparently i destroyed some controls since the pilot bailed out, but how can a I16 withstand the fire of a Me262 and come out in one piece???

glottis77
04-30-2004, 12:20 PM
...is that damn I16. i hate it!!!! i guess that the turn characterstics might be o.k., it maybe climbs too well, BUT: since i hate this thing so much i sometimes put myself in a modern plane against it in QMB - today i flew a Me262 - and guess what: we go head-on, i hit it with my 30mm cannons, and...nothing! it survived! it survived a cannon hit which is maybe bigger than the plane!!!!!!!!! o.k., apparently i destroyed some controls since the pilot bailed out, but how can a I16 withstand the fire of a Me262 and come out in one piece???

leadbaloon
04-30-2004, 12:24 PM
Maybe the shells were absorbed by that big fat engine block which protected the pilot?

PBNA-Boosher
04-30-2004, 12:25 PM
I'll tell you why. It's because that I-16 is reminiscent of my Jewish mother. You see, they may seem small and weak on the outside, but on the inside, they've got hearts as cold as iron and as warm as magma at the same time! The Jewish mother, along with multiple others, are some of the strongest women on the planet internally. Who else could handle 5 kids, make borscht, clean the house, and work two jobs all in one day to feed a family while the husband is sick?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

(The above post was a tribute to my mother, I'm not making any societal statements here. It was just a joke about my race and religion, take it lightly and laugh.)


Try taking deflection shots on the top and bottom of the wings, don't aim for the leading or trailing edges of any area of any plane, that's where most of the heavy plating or armor is. Aim for the mid fuselage, wing root, or top of the wing and you should do fine.

WUAF_Co_Hero
04-30-2004, 12:25 PM
There has been talk that the cannons aren't neccesarily registering on every hit. That, and there is also severe problem in the current version with shrapnel of exploding cannon rounds, that is being fixed.

Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day...

Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.

LEXX_Luthor
04-30-2004, 12:28 PM
Yeah, they want that Pk so bad forcing the other guy to Bail is not enough anymore. Ah, the Violence.

What climb rate data have you collected for I~16? hehe, none http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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adadaead
04-30-2004, 12:51 PM
I know its frastrating i had. I think the big fat engine, in there is the problem. And the whole plane is so kinda of fat that it takes a lot of cannon shells to punch thru the wing or whatever, but usually one in the engine will do just sometimes its no going to smoke and staff. Lol i love russian technology. Actualy when you go head to head try to get the cannon shell straight at the wing, if you hit it a little under the wing, where it start from fuselage you chop clean the wing off. That what i did without knowing flying against BF-109 in P-63, i was amazed, i just see him flying turnin to fly above me and then little esxlosion POP and the whole wing just explodes to tiny peace. I shot it clean off right at the fuselage. I wish i could post the video but i don't know how. I just wnated to post that here. Oh yeah BF-109 of FWs they are hard to get donw from behind, they cansink a lot of Cannon shells in them. But the in P-51 where you fire all 6 .50 cals and if every bullet is hitting the plane in the engine it starts to smoke pretty fast.

WOW i typed to much, just had to get it out of the system. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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glottis77
04-30-2004, 12:55 PM
on impact i saw an explosion which was as big as that ugly plane, didn't seem to harm it badly though :-)

LEBillfish
04-30-2004, 01:12 PM
UGLY PLANE!!??.............I actually find it the best looking plane here. Now in truth that is not based on point blank typical "lean and mean"....Yet it is of such an interesting era however very late for it's time as similar designs were of the late 1920's-early 1930's. Things were really changing, and considering most planes of the era I speak of were biplanes, it by far i'm sure looked so futuristic I'm not even sure how it would have been approved. Yet it was obsolete by the 1939 date we have here.

Think back to old sci-fi movies of the era, that sort of design was what was dreamt of in a far off future. Couple that with the soviet look....and consider similar craft like the GeeBee, I franly think it falls into a design that was during one of the most confused times in history....Just enough science to maybe make it work, yet so different it made no sense.

It's hard to explain....I guess the best way to explain it is to say so advanced, it was outdated when it became possible. But when I think of Buck Rogers, Metropolis, old movies like that....Space ships but carrying revolvers. A confused combination of brute heavy machine, with lines only a sci-fi artist could love. That's the plane I see.

I love it....My favorite design here by far. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
04-30-2004, 01:16 PM
LEBillfish:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I actually find it the best looking plane here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Of course, its a right little tubbie plane, it is. And with big fat USA designed engine.



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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
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"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

triggerhappyfin
05-01-2004, 10:18 AM
Once upon time the FM´s of I-16 was way different what we see today... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

One burst from low six under the fuselage made it explode http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Not to mention the difficulties takin of that occured with some of the patches http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Now a days it is impossible(almost) to shoot down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Not to mention the I-153 that cought fire easily...not anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

These two planes that got shot down in great numbers during the war, seem to be historical inacurate in this way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Before you all say I´m whining about this,I´ll
make clear that I´m aware of comrade Stalin´s politics conscerning officers in the red army.

Getting rid of most of them, replacing them with less skilled but rightminded? people. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As wittnesses from war years claim the vvs pilots did´nt do much to avoid beeing shot down or even wathing their six... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

This behaviour is seldom wittnessed in online df servers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

With virtual pilots skillfully wathing their environment and hard manouvers to avoid enemy fire, the planes are and should be hard to down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

But fact still remain....I-16 and I-153 has become very hard to shoot down even with a pilot as the rl WW2 pilots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

There are still other planes acting like flyin torches..Mig´s and Brewster´s among others..

Why make these two planes so hard to damage???

TAGERT.
05-01-2004, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glottis77:
...is that damn I16. i hate it!!!! i guess that the turn characterstics might be o.k., it maybe climbs too well, BUT: since i hate this thing so much i sometimes put myself in a modern plane against it in QMB - today i flew a Me262 - and guess what: we go head-on, i hit it with my 30mm cannons, and...nothing! it survived! it survived a cannon hit which is maybe bigger than the plane!!!!!!!!! o.k., apparently i destroyed some controls since the pilot bailed out, but how can a I16 withstand the fire of a Me262 and come out in one piece???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the man... not the machine

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glottis77
05-01-2004, 10:53 AM
30mm shell hitting plane gives explosion. where's the man in here????

Franzen
05-01-2004, 11:06 AM
He he he, best looking plane here? I like the AMC Pacer too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Fritz Franzen

CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glottis77:
30mm shell hitting plane gives explosion. where's the man in here????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

realy? cool, I see taht u got Mk108 at home and you live close to airport where u play with your MK108 and know that it blows a plane with one hit....

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glottis77
05-01-2004, 11:59 AM
yeah, that's what i do. but what sucks about it is that i have to move quite often.

CaptainGelo
05-01-2004, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glottis77:
yeah, that's what i do. but what sucks about it is that i have to move quite often.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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SeaFireLIV
05-01-2004, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glottis77:
30mm shell hitting plane gives explosion. where's the man in here????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let`s face it. You HATE the I16. It wouldn`t be enough if it was vapourised with a Death Ray from Alpha Centauri by Ming the Merciless. She`s been weakened big time from her 1st incarnation and when the patch is released she`ll go down easier, but I bet you`ll still not be able to blow her up! I love the cheeky little plane especially cos she irritates and FIGHTS back those who like to stomp on the little ones! By the way I LOVE the 16 and hate the 109Z!

Here`s two more to get mad at!
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Fehler
05-01-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glottis77:
30mm shell hitting plane gives explosion. where's the man in here????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let`s face it. You HATE the I16. It wouldn`t be enough if it was vapourised with a Death Ray from Alpha Centauri by Ming the Merciless. She`s been weakened big time from her 1st incarnation and when the patch is released she`ll go down easier, but I bet you`ll still not be able to blow her up! I love the cheeky little plane especially cos she irritates and FIGHTS back those who like to stomp on the little ones! By the way I LOVE the 16 and hate the 109Z!

Here`s two more to get mad at!
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I tend to agree with Seafire.. OMG, did I just say tha?!? The I-16 is by no means hard to kill any longer. In 1.1 it was made of concrete. But now it is just average. They are hard to hit when maneuvering around like the Spitfarter, but hit her in the right place and watch the pilot bail soon afterwards.

I think what you are really experiencig is the gun ineffectiveness. It is being addressed and will be in the patch.. OMG, did I just say that too?!?

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Franzen
05-01-2004, 12:34 PM
I've noticed that the I-16 is an easy kill. The pilots always turn tight which exposes their wings. I like them for practicing tracing. It seems that with one blast to the wing surface they are history.

Fritz Franzen