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SparrowThree
07-08-2004, 08:04 AM
I have a little extra cash and am considering a joystick upgrade. I currently use a Saitek Cyborg EVO, should I...

Add CH Rudder Pedals, keep the EVO?

Add a CH Throttle, keep the EVO?

Get the X45 HOTAS and save for rudder pedals? If I do that, could I use analog pedals with the X45? That would be my quickest route to a decent setup, as I could order it all today.

Get a CH Products Flightstick and save for the rest of the CH setup? That would take a long while, and I would have to use the keyboard for rudder control...bleh.

Scrap all the above and get a Track IR.

Scrap all of the above a get some new goalie sticks? I only have a couple left.

SparrowThree
07-08-2004, 08:04 AM
I have a little extra cash and am considering a joystick upgrade. I currently use a Saitek Cyborg EVO, should I...

Add CH Rudder Pedals, keep the EVO?

Add a CH Throttle, keep the EVO?

Get the X45 HOTAS and save for rudder pedals? If I do that, could I use analog pedals with the X45? That would be my quickest route to a decent setup, as I could order it all today.

Get a CH Products Flightstick and save for the rest of the CH setup? That would take a long while, and I would have to use the keyboard for rudder control...bleh.

Scrap all the above and get a Track IR.

Scrap all of the above a get some new goalie sticks? I only have a couple left.

B16Enk
07-08-2004, 08:19 AM
Hmmmm.

I would get the pedals personally.

But then I already have the X45 and a MSFFB2.

With the X45 you could still use the Evo, and the twisty rudder, and map the rudder bar to, say, flaps.

Pedals however I find to be a more natural rudder control, and once you haev them they will augment whatever you by in the future.

ednew
07-08-2004, 08:45 AM
I'd say you're gonna get alot of opinions on this one, here's mine, with a question or two first.
How much do ya have to spend now?
When you say analog pedals, do you have them now and if so which ones are they? I ask that because mixing and matching some analog pedals with usb hotas can be a bit of a pain to get set up right.
I have thrustmaster elite rudder pedals and a POS thrustmaster foxproII joystick. When I added the rudder pedals it added MUCH more ENJOYMENT to flying.
I had the X45HOTAS for a while, returned it cause I could not get it to work with the pedals I have and the pedals were more important to me. Some people love the x45, some don't.
My advice would be to keep the EVO and get the CH usb pedals for now. Then add the CH joystick(its got a throttle on it) and later the CH throttle when you can afford them.
Then get track IR.

SparrowThree
07-08-2004, 09:04 AM
I have $120.00 to spend and I don't currently own rudder pedals.

The Saitek website says that the X45 will work with analog rudder pedals if the game allows multiple controllers. Anybody actually get it to work?

horseback
07-08-2004, 10:02 AM
Sparrow

why won't the X-45 work with a USB rudder pedal set? If you gradually upgrade to an all-CH Products setup, you can't mix USB with gameport, and XP hasn't struck me as gameport friendly (I've used USB and XP exclusively for flight simming, so I can't offer anything definitive there).

Having said that, I vote for pedals. Much more convenient than you'd suspect, if you haven't used them before.

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

SparrowThree
07-08-2004, 10:20 AM
Not that it wouldn't work, but that analog pedals are far cheaper.

RevvinUK
07-08-2004, 11:37 AM
Hmm you could play it two ways really, the CH Pro Throttle would give you the option of using the minstick on the throttle for rudder input. Alternatively keep the stick you have now and go for a set of CH Pro Pedals. I'd advise with sticking to USB though however cheap you could get a set of gameport ones USB is the way to go. It's hard to say really, I like flying with pedals but then the throttle would give you plenty of buttons to map control onto to save reaching for the keyboard.

Are you in the US? Provantage (http://www.provantage.com/buy-110CHPU-ch-shopping.htm) are pretty cheap, if you could stretch to $167 you could get a Combatstick and Pro Pedals or for $172 you could get the Combatstick and Pro Throttle. Also Flightsim Central (http://www.flightsimcentral.com/chprodhan.html) have some pretty good offers going and they are well regarded for their customer service.

SparrowThree
07-08-2004, 03:43 PM
Thanks for your input.

Hunter82
07-08-2004, 04:51 PM
CH or X45 scrap the evo...you'll need rudder pedals though for the CH

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gates123
07-08-2004, 05:01 PM
Keep what u got and get a tir3, no joystick can compare to how much your game will improve.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2004, 05:13 PM
Anything that gets you pedals is better than some twisty stick toy.

GET PEDALS.

brimigus
07-08-2004, 08:49 PM
Ive got ch rudder peddles and dont even use em for rudder I've changed the config so the right peddle acts like a gas peddle for throttle and the left peddle is the prop pitch.Iv'e also changed to a firestorm gamepad with two analog sticks for airalon and elavator but the real big jump in control came from making the right analog stick rudder,the precision i can get from the right analog stick is way more responsive to small movement and can make that small smidge to the left or right and can more easily shoot down aircraft.plus theres hardley no fatigue that i used to get from joysticks plus the biggest benifit is my track ir stays centerd

SparrowThree
07-08-2004, 10:51 PM
Thanks again.

It looks like I'm going to be getting the x45 and watching Ebay for rudder pedals. I really like the CH line but it's just too much money for me.

Duff4r
07-08-2004, 11:18 PM
Hmmmm......The Cyborg is not that bad! I would go with the throttle. The throttle gives you so much more in the way of controlling the game. I would stay all USB.

I fly the whole CH HOTAS and pedals including the Fighter Stick and love it! That's where you want to end up for sure.

Pedals yeah, well they're cool for sure but, you're going to have to learn to fly all over again. You're going to hate 'em for a bit.
Regards,
Duff4r

WTE_Galway
07-09-2004, 12:22 AM
the CH pro USB pedals are great but you really do not use the differential braking feature in IL2 (only one proportional brake axis can be mapped) .. pedal brakes were rare in planes from that era anyway

aside from the extra features USB pedals are better overall

trumper
07-09-2004, 02:11 AM
I use these Logitech pedals http://tekgems.com/Products/et-9536-joy-fmlagp-usb-r.htm with the X45.
I bought the pedals from here http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=815539980&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=43352
The x45 or track ir 3 you should get for about 60 each,but you may get it cheaper than us in the UK.