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dbuff
07-07-2004, 12:22 PM
Been away for a while and came back to see this insane cheating thread stickied - what a mess.

Anyway - I just popped in to see any patch/upgrade news , but doesnt look like any coming soon....

So - If you are needing a relaxing break - try Red Orchestra mod for UT2004. Very soothing. It will get your mind off the patch.

Then if you want to unwind a little more - purchase a military surplus, re-arsenalled Mosin Nagant 91/30 or M38 carbine. These were "THE" mainstay of Red Army in WWII. They are cheap (less than $90 usd delivered), easy to maintain, and readily availble and fire an inexpensive (about 10 cents a peice) military surplus 7.62 x 54 round. Guaranteed to make your worries go away or anything else that is bothering you.....

I picked up two and 1000 rounds of ammmo. best fun I had all year. BTW - that 7.62 round definely has penetrating power.


non solum armis

dbuff
07-07-2004, 12:22 PM
Been away for a while and came back to see this insane cheating thread stickied - what a mess.

Anyway - I just popped in to see any patch/upgrade news , but doesnt look like any coming soon....

So - If you are needing a relaxing break - try Red Orchestra mod for UT2004. Very soothing. It will get your mind off the patch.

Then if you want to unwind a little more - purchase a military surplus, re-arsenalled Mosin Nagant 91/30 or M38 carbine. These were "THE" mainstay of Red Army in WWII. They are cheap (less than $90 usd delivered), easy to maintain, and readily availble and fire an inexpensive (about 10 cents a peice) military surplus 7.62 x 54 round. Guaranteed to make your worries go away or anything else that is bothering you.....

I picked up two and 1000 rounds of ammmo. best fun I had all year. BTW - that 7.62 round definely has penetrating power.


non solum armis

LeadSpitter_
07-07-2004, 01:18 PM
grow a beard shave it, then grow another

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CzechTexan
07-07-2004, 01:27 PM
I'm doing that exact thing! I'll be getting one pretty soon. The Mosin-Nagant rifle is a great collectors gun for a cheap price. It also comes with a bayonet and cartridge pouch. It seems that after WW2, the soviets had millions of these guns that they refurbished and stocked away in warehouse crates. Now they are selling for as low as $70.


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dbuff
07-07-2004, 01:41 PM
czech tx -
take a look at aztecguns.com out of ocala,fl

good folks - havent heard of anyone getting
a lemon from them.

i am no gun genious, but stripped it down, including disassemble bolt and had it cleaned of all cosmoline and back together in no time.

non solum armis

REDtheWINGMAN
07-07-2004, 02:07 PM
which is better, the Tula or the Izhevsk?

dbuff
07-07-2004, 02:46 PM
same gun - just the tula are "more rare"
maybe they only made 5 million in tula and 15 million of izzy's. not sure of exact numbers, there though.

link to decent forums for these guns
http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?showforum=34



non solum armis

[This message was edited by dbuff on Wed July 07 2004 at 01:55 PM.]

M.R.Maiornikov
07-07-2004, 03:04 PM
Red orchestra doesn't have much peoiple playing it(only 5 or 6 servers i think)I bought ut2003 just to play 1.2 when it was popular i what did i got-one server that doesnt allowed me to enter(atleast i payed 19.99$ for ut2003).So you better stick with il-2 sturmovik offnine maybe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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A130
07-07-2004, 06:37 PM
Right on.

For those of you who don't know it yet, we are currently in the golden age of military surplus small arms. Right now there's an enormous assortment of weapons from all over the world, available in most cases in great shape and at very reasonable prices. If you were thinking of getting one, get it now; the German K98's and Finnish Mosin-Nagants are already starting to dry up. The nations of the world have emptied their WWII-era inventories, once and for all. Twenty years from now there will be a lot of collectors kicking themselves for not acting when the time was right. You will not see a selection like this again.

For those looking at getting a M-N, bear in mind that these are WWII weapons -- arsenal-refinished in most cases, yes, but still very old and possibly assembled under somewhat "rushed" conditions. Inspect them carefully for rust and bore condition before purchasing. Then, check the headspacing. If you don't have the tools to do this, take it to a gunsmith; they'll charge you $20 or so. If you don't know what headspacing is, trust me (I'm currently a military armorer, not to mention a hobbyist gunsmith) when I say that it IS an important safety consideration.

Pick up a Finnish M-N if you can. The Finns rebarrelled captured Russian rifles for their own use in large numbers and were (and are) accuracy fanatics. These rifles are almost always very accurate. The Russian ones may or may not be, but in my experience, are almost always perfectly useable.

If you want a big, heavy, full-sized rifle with a good sight radius, get the 91/30. If you want compact, get the M38. (I currently use one of these as my primary deer rifle.) If you just want plain cool, get an M44 -- very similar in size to the M38, but with a sidefolding, permanently attached bayonet. They are zeroed at the factory with the bayonet extended and the zero WILL change with it folded, so bear this in mind.

The Mauser snobs will tell you that the Mosin is junk. Not two weeks ago, a friend and I were engaging in some friendly competition -- knocking down spent shotgun shells at 25 yards from the offhand position. He had a factory-new Mauser M48, I had a reconditioned M38. He won by one shot, due to his smoother bolt, but neither of us missed even a single shot. These rifles ARE accurate.

Beware -- collecting WWII weapons (Russian in particular) can become addictive. I personally own 7 Mosins of various models and nationalities, and, of course, my pride and joy -- a 1941, Tula-built, SVT 40, complete with arsenal stock repairs. They guy I bought it from thought he was unloading it on me because it didn't work; turned out that he didn't know how to adjust the gas system. This example of "the Russian Garand" shoots every bit as well as she looks. But enough bragging. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As far as Tula vs. Izzy, as dbuff said, don't sweat it -- same gun, same tooling, different plant. They're all built to last, but GET THEM CHECKED by someone who knows how to do it. Then, check out mosinnagant.net to learn more. These rifles often have all sorts of markings on them, telling something of the rifle's career, and are fascinating in their own right. Learn what they mean.

Another thing (as if I haven't ranted enough, but this is a subject near and dear to my heart): if you're shooting surplus 7.62x54R ammo, it's probably corrosive and you'll have to use something water-based to clean the fouling. (Ammonia-based glass cleaner and hot soapy water work well.) The most commonly seen currently-produced ammo in this caliber is Wolf (made at Tula Arsenal, ironically), and while it costs a bit more than the surplus, it doesn't seem to be corrosive and is pretty accurate in this caliber.

One final thought (and then I'm done, I promise): when these rifles were made, labor was cheap and steel was expensive. It's the other way around today. They are built to last, as can be seen by the fact that, 60 years after they were made, they're still ready for use. Pick one up for cheap at Big 5 when they're having one of their sales, take care of it, and your grandchildren will be shooting it fourty years from now.

Dawg-of-death
07-07-2004, 06:45 PM
guess I could get a job


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LStarosta
07-07-2004, 07:04 PM
Yep, I've got a Polish Kbk Wz.48 carbine, which is essentially the Mosin Nagant M44 carbine, except it has a somewhat differently shaped reciever wall.

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She's a beauty, 1953 production, 99% bluing remains (a few chips near or on moving parts, such as the rear sights etc), and totally unfired (other than arsenal checks), and I am keeping it that way, as unfired mint pieces will be pretty rare in the future. It is generally agreed that Polish Mosins as a whole are the best original-Soviet-design Mosins ever made, probably due to better quality materials and the fact that the factories were operated under different circumstances and machines could be better maintained. They are only surpassed by the Finnish modified Mosins, especially the M39. I'm looking to get an M39 from WGA next, and perhaps a Polish Kbks Wz. 48 if I have the dough. These rifles all have interesting histories. I somewhat regret that I got a "NEW" Mosin, but I'll be sure that the next Mosin I get will have an interesting story to tell... I'll just pass on the war-torn bores though.. I'd like to enjoy some of its legendary accuracy.

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PlaneEater
07-07-2004, 07:45 PM
Personally, I'd like to get a new-manufacture M1 Garand, to start a WWII battle-rifle collection. Eventually I'd like to stack up:

--M1 Garand, M1 Carbine
--K98
--91/30 Mosin Nagat
--Arisaka 38
--Enfield, probably a 4 mk.1
--Carcano M91

Most other rifles fieled were derivitives of those--usually the K98 and Mosin-nagat.

Will be fun to shoot. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jettexas
07-07-2004, 09:35 PM
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Cougar_DK
07-08-2004, 03:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M.R.Maiornikov:
Red orchestra doesn't have much peoiple playing it(only 5 or 6 servers i think)I bought ut2003 just to play 1.2 when it was popular i what did i got-one server that doesnt allowed me to enter(atleast i payed 19.99$ for ut2003).So you better stick with il-2 sturmovik offnine maybe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Then try the UT2004 version... there are a lot more servers... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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CzechTexan
07-08-2004, 06:59 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dbuff:
czech tx -
take a look at aztecguns.com out of ocala,fl

good folks - havent heard of anyone getting
a lemon from them.

i am no gun genious, but stripped it down, including disassemble bolt and had it cleaned of all cosmoline and back together in no time.

YES, That's the site where i found these guns. My friend has the Curio-license and a M/N rifle (which i didn't even know he had). He said it's very nice and that he'll order one for me. He's on vacation now so i have to wait to do that. But it's on the way as soon as i can order it!


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Nanuk66
07-08-2004, 07:45 AM
Hmmm, im kinda sad to see a topic like this tbh.

I can understand that the main posters have been gun enthusiasts but the fact that there is links to websites selling weapons so easily is a not really that nice to see.

Is there any checks done wotsoever on the background of the people buying it? I very much doubt it. And if there is is probably just a check on address or something?

I dont wanna bring a downer on this topic cause im all for WW2 collectors stuff, im all for it, but when its as easy as buying a weapon that already fires or spending $20 to get one firing, its quite worrying.

And the US wonders why that have bad problems with gun related stuff!!

I just hope that you guys are sensible, im sure you are, but seems probably easier to pick up a gun/rifle in somewhere like Florida then it would to order IL2! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

dbuff
07-08-2004, 08:00 AM
FYI to worriers -

You must have a C&R license to be shipped direct to you. Otherwise it must be shipped to a gun dealer. Either way they are going to do a "background" check on you.If I wanted to, I could go to any store that has a gun and buy it on the spot.

I am sure you are well meaning, but just uninformed about web generated gun purchases. Thanks for your concerns about america.

non solum armis

x6BL_Brando
07-08-2004, 08:01 AM
Coming from a country where the ownership of handguns and rifles and so on is not a legal right gives me a different angle on the issue. I truly believe that gun-ownership should be left entirely in the hands of the pro's, i.e. the Army and the Police. (And shot-guns for the farming community of course) In the UK our experiences with powerful, military-grade weapons falling into the hands of psycho's have always been grievous, viz. the Hungerford massacre. Psychotics rarely discriminate - they just shoot anyone who gets in the way - and the sight of men, women and children blown away for no reason has led us in the UK to tighten the controls even further.

In my opinion one of the most 'constructive' uses for surplus arms is exemplified by Hammersmith Bridge which spans the Thames in London. Completed in 1887, thousands of surplus rifle barrels from Woolwich Arsenal were used as reinforcement in the concrete bridge-piers.

P.S. Plz don't get me wrong - in my youth I studied to become an armourer, though I never utilised the skills I learnt after deciding not to go to Welbeck and become a gunner. That had a lot to do with not wanting to end up in Belfast, getting shot at by psycho's with military hardware! But I retain a fascination for ballistics and so forth - and I'd enthusiastically agree regarding the sheer punch of the rimless 7.62 round. I fired a lot of .303" in my time as well, from a variety of weapons, but the whiplash crack of the 7.62mm round being fired from a standard issue SLR is unforgettable (as is stopping one I daresay!) I just remember that the rimless ammo meant much fewer stoppages and better extraction in the gas-operated weapons, and consequently a lot less hassle in the Armoury!

I don't mean to put down anyones' native laws and constitutions - I just felt like mentioning my surprise @ the availability of this lethal stuff.

LStarosta
07-08-2004, 08:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
In my opinion one of the most 'constructive' uses for surplus arms is exemplified by Hammersmith Bridge which spans the Thames in London. Completed in 1887, thousands of surplus rifle barrels from Woolwich Arsenal were used as reinforcement in the concrete bridge-piers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in my opinion, that is one of the most DISGUSTING things that could ever be done to an excellent example of industrial prowess... Those barrels were carefully made and grooved to as close as perfect as possible, and now they're just used like they were any other steel pipe just laying around. That is DISGUSTING to me as someone who enjoys old battle rifles, especially considering all the HISTORY involved in these rifles.

Moving on though...

Okay, there's guns, and there's guns. When was the last time someone held up a 7-11 with a 60+ year old bolt action rifle? Seriously. What's really dangerous is handguns, Class III shotguns, submachine guns, and assault rifles. These guns have a lot more potential of harming an individual than a bolt action battle rifle. That is probably why here, you need a license for class III firearms, pistols etc, and don't for long guns, such as bolt action rifles, or shotguns. Hell.. They sell bolt actions and shotties at Wal-Mart here... I live in Michigan, one of the most pro-gun states I've ever lived in. And I have yet to hear of a robbery or murder committed in cold blood with a hunting rifle or shotgun, something every other family has in their household. If you don't like rifles, don't buy them. Simple as that. But there are lots of mature people who do enjoy firearms, for whatever reason, be it collecting, hunting, target shooting, etc. I don't infringe on your right to be safe, please don't infringe on my right to enjoy my hobby.

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Nanuk66
07-08-2004, 08:54 AM
I dont think anyone has infringed your right to do anything.
Calm down laddy.
Im from the UK too.
Your obviously a supported of the NRA or something!
You can do wot u want m8, and have wotever hobby you want too.
But if u cant see that there is a problem with people buying guns so easily, maybe not WW2 guns, but shotguns and rifles from Walmart then you have no common sense wotsoever.
And do u think a crack addict robber is gonna give a flying **** wot type of weapon he/she will use to rob a 7-11? (personally i prefer circle K).
No-ones getting at your hobby. But having guns so freely available is worrying dont ya think? Houses are robbed and guns are stolen u do realise?

'And in my opinion, that is one of the most DISGUSTING things that could ever be done to an excellent example of industrial prowess'

Wot a stupid statement. 'Think of the history'! - wot history? How do you know if the weapons had any history or sat in a locked room for 10 years and then were scrapped! At least now, not only does it make the bridge unique and HISTORICAL but it means that there isnt a bunch of coroded firearms sitting in someones house doin feckall cept giving their owner a *****!

And if you want to see historical rifles over here theres plenty of museums to go to where u can see them. Dont worry about history m8, we got plenty of that stuff over in England!

dbuff
07-08-2004, 08:58 AM
brando - interesting and well worded view on guns, but.....

i mention this because i thought it would be interesting to those who like history of WWII.

why is this thread turning into a gun debate?

non solum armis

Nanuk66
07-08-2004, 09:13 AM
I didnt see this as a gun debate.

Just dont think a world wide game forum thats open to all ages we should have the ability to click on a link to buy a handgun/rifle or a panzer shreck or .50 cal machine guns. Whether its for a hobby or not.
i know it wouldnt take anyone really anytime to find out these sites on their own, but i can find teen double anal action (swordfight!) if i really wanted to easily.....doesnt mean its right.

Maybe thats just me.

x6BL_Brando
07-08-2004, 10:04 AM
Hi dbuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I didn't mean to stir up a hornets' nest m8 - I suppose I think a different pov is useful when it's warranted. That doesn't mean I'm rejecting anyones' enthusiasms out of hand, or denying my own interest in firearms.....it's just that I've seen first-hand what these weapons can do to the human frame, and the idea of their being so readily available shocked that response out of me.

I certainly wasn't taking a pot-shot at the USA in particular, if you'll pardon the pun. It's a global issue - http://www.christian-aid.org.uk/news/features/106mozam/story.htm - and it's about the spread of surplus weapons and its knock-on effect. Sorry to be so serious.....

Perrazi
07-08-2004, 02:33 PM
gentlemen you anti-gun views are normal for those who have never had the opportunity to enjoy the amount of sport that firearms offer. however, they are not shared by a majority of americans, who have ALWAYS had a right to own them. due to your ideas on gun ownership, the american public sent thousands of there own guns to the uk during ww2 so the english home guard would have weapons to defend the uk with after dunkirk. as far as the rest of your ideas about old military guns are concerned, i have never heard of anyplace being robbed with an old bolt action military rifle. in the first place,they take skill to use and second, they don't hide under a coat worth a ****.

A130
07-08-2004, 08:15 PM
This certainly turned political in a hurry, didn't it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Oh, well.

It's not my intention to ruffle any feathers here, but plug "violent crime" and the name of any country that's enacted a fairly serious weapons ban over the last few years into your favorite search engine and have a look. Bans, unfortunately, do not usually work, as the sorts of people who obey them are not the ones typically causing the trouble. I can't support them for that reason alone.

The only remaining options are an Orwellian police state (prohibitively expensive and probably not workable) or levelling the playing field by relaxing the rules. The latter has a proven track record in America -- every state that's enacted a "shall-issue" policy with regards to concealed weapon licenses has experienced a significant drop in violent crime, according to the FBI. Not a perfect solution by any means, but better than the existing alternatives.

Now that we have two sides represented in a contraversial and emotional topic, anyone want to take bets on when the thread gets locked? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bun-bun195333
07-08-2004, 08:36 PM
Everyone take a deep breath and look at the issue from the opposite perspective.
Outside of the US and Switzerland guns are mostly frowned upon. Most societies teach that guns are evil and bad things happen when they are available to civilians.
Inside the US and Switzerland we recoginize that lots of good comes from guns. Freedom is purchased for us by folks willing to fight. Rifles and handguns put food on the table.
It's just a difference of opinion.

Back to the main topic, if y'all keep talking about old battle rifles I'm going to need another gunsafe.

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CzechTexan
07-08-2004, 08:53 PM
The new agricultural problem we have here in Texas is that crops are being destroyed by wild Russian boar hogs which escaped a few years ago and are now muliplying rapidly. They are causing thousands of dollars worth of damage. The TX government makes it legal to hunt and kill these hogs in order to keep down their population as much as possible. It has become a popular sport. I figured I can do my part to help my neighbors by joining them on the hunts.
About this M/N rifle, I would rather have a gun with some history to be proud of and take care of rather than some Wal-Mart gun. I plan to use my M/N for these hogs (hmm a RU gun shooting RU boar hogs). I hear some fellas hunt them with spears. Maybe i could use this bayonet in close-in combat with em too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Oh and of course I'm a defender for the right to bear arms. I have a right to defend loved ones from harm and to defend my property if some fool tries to take it.


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GateKreeper
07-09-2004, 01:39 AM
For those concerned about an average citizen being able to buy a fire arm over the internet, well it's not quite that easy.
First of all you cannot buy a firearm over the internet and have it shipped to your home. It has to be shipped to a licensed firearms dealer and you get it from them.

There is still the mandatory waiting period for handguns and of course the background check.

Now if you want to apply for a FFL (Federal Firearms License) then that will allow you to buy firearms from anywhere and have them shipped to your house. (As long as your home is the registered place of business on the FFL) Also, there are different classes of FFL - Class I, II, III.

Class III being the hardest to get as that allows you to buy and own Full Auto machine guns, such as M60, Browning 1919, etc.

Also two other Licenses allow you to buy firearms but with restrictions, and that would be the Curio license and the Relic License.
Both of which allow you to purchase older/historical firearms such as a M91/30 or a K98. But you would not be allowed to buy modern firearms. (the weapons have to be certified "Curio" or "Relic" applicable by the BATF)

As a lifetime member of the NRA an FFL owner, and an American citizen that owns quite alot of firearms myself, of course, I support a citizen's right to bear arms". However, I also respect another's opinion if they disagree with my stance on the US constitution.

But, lets look at some facts here......

1. Years ago (not sure how many, but a few) when the Austrailian Government outlawed their citizens to own firearms, in 1 single year, violennt crime rose over 300%. Yes thats right, thats not a typo, I didn't mean 30%, it went up 300%. Now Austrailia is trying to pass legislation to ban ALL swords and long knives from ownership of it's citizens.

2. Across the US, for every 1 violent crime (armed robbery, murder with a firearm, assault with a deadly weapon, etc.) you see on the news, there are between 35 and 50 crimes thwarted by law-abiding citizens protecting their homes, families, etc. with a firearm.
How many of those crimes could have been stopped or how many of those citizens would have been "Victims" had they not had a firearm at their disposal?

3. Did you know 89% of US citizens who own a handgun are also LEGALLY licensed to concealed carry said handgun. It has been proven many times over that the ability for a person to concealed carry is the single largest deterrent to a criminal from comitting a crime. Criminals just simply don't know who is or is not armed and will not take a chance. (of course there are exceptions)

Anyways, I could go on forever, but I wont bore you guys to sleep.

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GateKreeper
07-09-2004, 01:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bun-bun195333:

Back to the main topic, if y'all keep talking about old battle rifles I'm going to need another gunsafe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL Iv'e already got 2 and I shopping for my 3rd. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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GateKreeper
07-09-2004, 01:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dbuff:
Then if you want to unwind a little more - purchase a military surplus, re-arsenalled Mosin Nagant 91/30 or M38 carbine. These were "THE" mainstay of Red Army in WWII. They are cheap (less than $90 usd delivered), easy to maintain, and readily availble and fire an inexpensive (about 10 cents a peice) military surplus 7.62 x 54 round. Guaranteed to make your worries go away or anything else that is bothering you.....

I picked up two and 1000 rounds of ammmo. best fun I had all year. BTW - that 7.62 round definely has penetrating power. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bought an M91/30 and an M44 6 months ago, last week I just got done converting the bolt on the M91/30 over to a "bent bolt" and mounted a scope on it. You can drive nails with that thing at 300 meters, consistantly.

Unfortunately, no-one as of yet makes any reloading dies for the 7.62x54r so my shooting is getting quite expensive. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Not like my .45 or my M14 where I can shoot off 1000 rounds then pick up the brass and have them reloaded by the next weekend for more shootin'. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Mitsubishi Zero...the other white meat.

....just my $0.02....give or take a quarter.

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GateKreeper
07-09-2004, 02:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
In my opinion one of the most 'constructive' uses for surplus arms is exemplified by Hammersmith Bridge which spans the Thames in London. Completed in 1887, thousands of surplus rifle barrels from Woolwich Arsenal were used as reinforcement in the concrete bridge-piers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in my opinion, that is one of the most DISGUSTING things that could ever be done to an excellent example of industrial prowess... Those barrels were carefully made and grooved to as close as perfect as possible, and now they're just used like they were any other steel pipe just laying around. That is DISGUSTING to me as someone who enjoys old battle rifles, especially considering all the HISTORY involved in these rifles.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't agree more buddy, hearing him tell that story nearly brought a tear to my eye.

Oh, what I wounldn't do for an "unissued condition" Enfield MkI or MkIV.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jj721/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/P40_Sig.jpg
Mitsubishi Zero...the other white meat.

....just my $0.02....give or take a quarter.

Hardware Specs:
AMD 64 FX-53
ASUS SK8N MB
1024 Corsair XMS Dual Channel DDR-400
ASUS-ATI 9800XT 256MB
Thrustmaster Cougar
CH Products HOTAS w/ Rudder Pedals
Saitek X45 HOTAS
TM Afterburner HOTAS
TrackIR2
Razor Boomslang 2000 mouse
Ideazon Customizable Keyboard
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dbuff
07-09-2004, 06:46 AM
Like I said, let not make this place polictical / policies, we come here to get away from that with our virtual world.

Let get back to original thread.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gatekreeper -
If you dont mind shooting corrosive, try military surplus ammo. can get it for about a dime per round.

Link to picture of new arrivals right out of their boxes.

http://redorchestramod.gameservers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2878

non solum armis

Korolov
07-09-2004, 07:07 AM
I was coming close to almost having enough money for a M1 reciever, but then came up about $100 short and a barrel more. Had a heck of a time finding a good barrel for a reasonable price, and relining didn't look like a good option to me. So, I just gave up on it. Just have to wait till I got the dough.

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

bun-bun195333
07-09-2004, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
I was coming close to almost having enough money for a M1 reciever, but then came up about $100 short and a barrel more. Had a heck of a time finding a good barrel for a reasonable price, and relining didn't look like a good option to me. So, I just gave up on it. Just have to wait till I got the dough.

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Here are some links for you - the CMP rifles vary in quality but all can be overhauled by a good gunsmith who knows M-1's

CMP (http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm)

SA sells beautiful rifles and Clint does excellent work on M-1's

Fulton Armory (http://www.fulton-armory.com/)

Very expensive but excellent (http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1-garand.shtml)



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[This message was edited by bun-bun195333 on Fri July 09 2004 at 12:38 PM.]