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Carolus_XII
04-10-2004, 03:51 PM
Hi all!

I need help with taking of and climbing fast. Every time I fly my fellow comrades in arms climb much faster and just fly away and I can't catch up with them. I always have to enable autopilot to climb fast.

Can you people explain to me how it all works and what I should do climb without loosing to much speed. Settings etc. I would appreciate if you told me which buttons that do which thing. I'm new to this game but it seems awsome. I'm flying the BF109.

Carolus_XII
04-10-2004, 03:51 PM
Hi all!

I need help with taking of and climbing fast. Every time I fly my fellow comrades in arms climb much faster and just fly away and I can't catch up with them. I always have to enable autopilot to climb fast.

Can you people explain to me how it all works and what I should do climb without loosing to much speed. Settings etc. I would appreciate if you told me which buttons that do which thing. I'm new to this game but it seems awsome. I'm flying the BF109.

LEXX_Luthor
04-10-2004, 04:01 PM
Don't climb as steep as them, you can keep up in speed then, and gradually climb while you do it. That's what I do.

Funny thing, after AEP I noticed that at higher altitudes I can leave my wingmen far behind and below when I want to. They can't keep up.

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Maxhome
04-10-2004, 04:52 PM
And don't despair, Carolus. It gets easier. I had exactly the same worry when I set off with this obsession - now, I don't think about it, it just isn't an issue.

Make sure you set off quickly after the guy before you - either turn a little to the left, or use F2, to check when he is setting off, and once he's away, throttle up.

Then don't worry too much about gaining altitude. Get speed. Once you're in the air, there's a real temptation to pull on the stick to get up there, but of course that just = slower = lower. So get fast, first, at a slow climb, then pull back and you'll soon be catching 'em. Keep throttle high, but mostly, keep speed in mind rather than pointing the nose up.

Helped me, anyway.

Tully__
04-10-2004, 05:43 PM
What they said. Below a certain speed drag increases, leaving less power for climbing. You want to be going at least 300km/h in most planes before you even think about climbing. Manage your climb to maintain speed, worry about matching altitude only after you catch up.

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DuxCorvan
04-10-2004, 06:01 PM
AI pilots eat beans before taking off. This gives them an extra thrust of around 1200 kg.

That's why they appear to have big bellies before scramble, and also why are they in closed cockpits so prone to bail out at the minimal scratch: FB planes have not the option to open the cockpit, and they can feel the smell of death...

Later fighters included this as factory default, you can hit a key that says 'WEP', this is, 'Wonderful Energy Peas' that once consumed and released, gives the same effect. Haven't you heard that buzzed noise when you activate it in the game?

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lil_labbit
04-10-2004, 06:11 PM
Now climbing depends....

Do you have your Forest set at (1) simple or
(3) complex - the (2) I wont discuss...

Check it in the file config.ini
Forest=
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Maple_Tiger
04-10-2004, 06:43 PM
In time or i mean with practice you'l leave the AI behind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Note, your rad can slow you down if you leave it fully open.

Note two is that you could use 95 or 100% RPM setting for alied planes, this should be very close to combat RPM. With 95% RPM setting will help keep the engine cooler.

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Carolus_XII
04-12-2004, 07:27 AM
Thanks for all the replies!

But when I am flying the BF109 I can't seem to get up to 300 km/h. What buttons should I use when changing the diffrent settings? What are the things I should check when I take off? I need a checklist so to say. How should the propeller swith be? I am new yo flying and I need all the help I can get.

Thanks in advance!

RxMan
04-12-2004, 07:31 AM
Let them go first!! Whenever I get there ahead of everyone else, all I get is every enemy's attention!!

At one time there was a procedure for the 109, stay on the runway as long as possible building up speed before rollout, best climb speed will be about 270.

Carolus_XII
04-12-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RxMan:
Let them go first!! Whenever I get there ahead of everyone else, all I get is every enemy's attention!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can live with them getting there first. But I have a really difficult time gaining any height at all. I cant seem to get the speed up? Any tips?

Airplane: BF109

tigerroach
04-12-2004, 07:38 AM
Carolus, do you have complex engine management turned on or off? If you are new it should be off until you have this type of issue sorted out. I have yet to get into CEM myself. I played CFS2 forever and never did get into it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HH Quazi
04-12-2004, 07:56 AM
But if you could use CEM, or learn to, you can get an extra umph out of the engine. A little advice if you decide to try CEM, set the prop pitch down to about 60% before you turn off the auto feature. The engine will fry fast if you aren't careful. S!

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BaldieJr
04-12-2004, 08:52 AM
Let the plane fly itself. You'll forcing it to climb and its costing you.

Always remember: let the plane fly itself.

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heywooood
04-12-2004, 09:43 AM
I use a series of zoom climbs, whether I am using CEM or not.. dont try to climb as steeply as your flight.. and occasionally drop the nose and reduce the radiator opening to 2 or 4 to build speed and then gently climb again.. do this afew times and you should be formed up by the time you reach the target area.
if you do use the CEM feature - one easy way to get more speed is to switch magnetos to "both" (1+2) that helps a lot. dont mess with "prop pitch" until you have played with it in QMB.

Tully__
04-12-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Carolus_XII:
Thanks for all the replies!

But when I am flying the BF109 I can't seem to get up to 300 km/h....

Thanks in advance!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From your description you have IL2 Sturmovik, not IL2:Forgotten Battles. Fly level until the speed increases. Any attempt to climb at low speed will create so much drag you have no power left for acceleration. If there's a valley available in your flight path, a very slight dive will allow you to accelerate much quicker.

Once you have a bit of speed you'll find you can maintain a fairly healty climbrate, but remember these aren't modern jets. If you're slowing down too much, you're climbing too steeply. It's more important to maintain your speed than it is your climb rate when trying to catch the rest of your flight.

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Merlin_602Sqn
04-12-2004, 10:01 AM
Press G to retract your gear

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Carolus_XII
04-12-2004, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merlin_602Sqn:
Press G to retract your gear
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha, i'm not THAT new to flying. hat is CEM and were do I turn it of. I can't seem to find anything about it in-game?

I only have IL2 Sturmovik, not FB. Well, i'm starting to get the hang of it now. I was worried because the AI planes gaind altitude so extremly much faster than I did.

Tully__
04-12-2004, 12:19 PM
Only Forgotten Battles has CEM (complex engine management), you can ingore it.

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