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GreySYT
02-13-2017, 12:31 AM
https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/game/en-US/war-of-factions/index.aspx

Right after the beta ended, they removed a paragraph explaining the war assets and a youtube link that gives us more information about faction war. it basically says the faction that has the most war assets at the "end" of open beta will win which should be Vikings.


They really should finish the last round, so there wouldn't be so much confusion. Any losing faction would happily accept the result, but now i just feel unfair that the result is based on an unfinished round and unclear winning criteria.


Edit:
The original statement used on the page is "The Factions with the most war assets at the end of beta reigns supreme."

PLZ refer to #24 for the screenshots of the removed statement and war assets at the end of open beta

Thanks, Mister.Genji at #24.

Edit 2:
The official for honor twitter account encourages us to win the faction war an hour before the end of open beta. If it does not count toward the result why do this?
https://twitter.com/ForHonorGame/status/830889527153614848

Father_Giliam
02-13-2017, 12:39 AM
Or, they could have just ended it hours earlier as that was the last full turn. In the end, Ubisoft decided the Knights had won. Thats all there is to it.

Cmdo.Delta
02-13-2017, 12:43 AM
Do you know what a fraud is lol? WTF seriously.


You cannot count war assets to determine who's going to win and here is why: if 2 teams are fighting for territories. You have 10 territories. Team A has 500'000 war assets while Team B has only 450'000 war assets. With your logic, Team A wins... nop.. if Team A puts all his war assets on 1 territory and Team B spreads his war assets on the 9 territories left, the Team B will win 9 territories and Team A only one even if Team A technically has more war assets.

It's just fair how winner was determined. The only dumb thing I can see is why in the hell Ubisoft decided to end beta during a round? They should have ended it at 4pm or at 9pm so it was the end of a round. Wasn't smart. For sure it'll make tons of unhappy people what they did.

Orisoll
02-13-2017, 12:43 AM
I agree that the whole kerfuffle could've been avoided if they had just timed the closing to properly coincide with the end of a round. As it is, counting the last complete round was the best they could do.

Cmdo.Delta
02-13-2017, 12:45 AM
I agree that the whole kerfuffle could've been avoided if they had just timed the closing to properly coincide with the end of a round. As it is, counting the last complete round was the best they could do.

Yeah it was dumb seriously. If you make Knights win, vikings are mad, if you make vikings win knights will be mad. Who the hell took such a stupid decision lol.

pppever
02-13-2017, 12:46 AM
http://i.imgur.com/kDjouFy.jpg

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 12:49 AM
Or, they could have just ended it hours earlier as that was the last full turn In the end, Ubisoft decided the Knights had won. Thats all there is to it.

That's just what i'm trying to say, and they didn't end the beta 4 hours earlier. But this still does not justify removing important information that describes the winning criteria after the winner s announced. Why did they do that?
The only reason that i can think of is that they just want to get it over with the easy way, removing that information would certainly save them the trouble of explaining.

Cmdo.Delta
02-13-2017, 12:50 AM
That's just what i'm trying to say, and they didn't end the beta 4 hours earlier. But this still does not justify removing important information that describes the winning criteria after the winner s announced. Why did they do that?
The only reason that i can think of is that they just want to get it over with the easy way, removing that information would certainly save them the trouble of explaining.

How can you know which factions had more war assets? What you see on leaderboard are faction generals only. It's not showing all war assets added by us, normal players.

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 12:51 AM
Do you know what a fraud is lol? WTF seriously.


You cannot count war assets to determine who's going to win and here is why: if 2 teams are fighting for territories. You have 10 territories. Team A has 500'000 war assets while Team B has only 450'000 war assets. With your logic, Team A wins... nop.. if Team A puts all his war assets on 1 territory and Team B spreads his war assets on the 9 territories left, the Team B will win 9 territories and Team A only one even if Team A technically has more war assets.

It's just fair how winner was determined. The only dumb thing I can see is why in the hell Ubisoft decided to end beta during a round? They should have ended it at 4pm or at 9pm so it was the end of a round. Wasn't smart. For sure it'll make tons of unhappy people what they did.

Well say this to Ubisoft, they are the one that says the faction that has the most war assets at the end of open beta wins. lol WTF

Cmdo.Delta
02-13-2017, 12:52 AM
Well say this to Ubisoft, they are the one that says the faction that has the most war assets at the end of open beta wins. lol WTF

I never read that anywhere. To me, it always been the amount of territories that was determining who would win. If you can show us...

On top of that, you still dont have the amount of war assets for every factions.. only the war generals... not the TOTAL for all players including players that aren't generals.

GNASHSAMA
02-13-2017, 12:54 AM
Yeah it was dumb seriously. If you make Knights win, vikings are mad, if you make vikings win knights will be mad. Who the hell took such a stupid decision lol.

Bro. If the round was over half over, I would've conceded the loss and accepted that the Vikings won, however it was the end of the round and the next round had just begun, there was 4 hours remaining and the Knights were in control of the most territories. So it doesn't matter how many territories that the Vikings would've won or how many territories the Samurai would've won.

TBH. Everyone I played brawl with was always a samurai. Even playing as a Warden they're a samurai. Where's the immersion there? "OH well my guy was a Knight from Ashfield who got abducted by Samurai along with his father and when he saw his father die, he didn't care and then when he was made a slave and raised by the samurai, he was brainwashed to be a soldier and donned the armor of his fallen father, not knowing anything but obedience he sought out honor and victory for his newly formed samurai family and fought for his wife and kids... he feels sad killing other knights, but he is FOR HONOR."

CLICHE, LORE-BREAKING, AND HARMFUL TO MY IMMERSION EXPERIENCE.

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 12:56 AM
How can you know which factions had more war assets? What you see on leaderboard are faction generals only. It's not showing all war assets added by us, normal players.

I don't work for Ubisoft, how am i suppose to know? I just posted facts that they did removed a statement that explained the winning criteria which is inconsistent with the result, and i talked about how i felt. That's all. And I also know for a fact that it is not going to change because they couldn't care less.

Cmdo.Delta
02-13-2017, 12:56 AM
Bro. If the round was over half over, I would've conceded the loss and accepted that the Vikings won, however it was the end of the round and the next round had just begun, there was 4 hours remaining and the Knights were in control of the most territories. So it doesn't matter how many territories that the Vikings would've won or how many territories the Samurai would've won.

TBH. Everyone I played brawl with was always a samurai. Even playing as a Warden they're a samurai. Where's the immersion there? "OH well my guy was a Knight from Ashfield who got abducted by Samurai along with his father and when he saw his father die, he didn't care and then when he was made a slave and raised by the samurai, he was brainwashed to be a soldier and donned the armor of his fallen father, not knowing anything but obedience he sought out honor and victory for his newly formed samurai family and fought for his wife and kids... he feels sad killing other knights, but he is FOR HONOR."

CLICHE, LORE-BREAKING, AND HARMFUL TO MY IMMERSION EXPERIENCE.

I'm a knight dude. I'm happy the current round didnt count! ;) And even if I was another faction, I would feel it's unfair to not giving it to the knights. 1h is not enough to say if Vikings could have kept all those territories.

Gureto_Daze
02-13-2017, 12:57 AM
http://i.imgur.com/kDjouFy.jpg

This is SO GOOD

D_cover
02-13-2017, 12:57 AM
http://i.imgur.com/kDjouFy.jpg

Even though I am currently in the Viking camp I still found this funny.

Cmdo.Delta
02-13-2017, 12:57 AM
I don't work for Ubisoft, how am i suppose to know? I just posted facts that they did removed a statement that explained the winning criteria which is inconsistent with the result, and i talked about how i felt. That's all. And I also know for a fact that it is not going to change because they couldn't care less.
I dont know. I was hoping you had a screenshot or you seen one around the Internet. Unfortunately, I can't remember I read this anywhere and I dont have screenshots myself sorry.

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:01 AM
I never read that anywhere. To me, it always been the amount of territories that was determining who would win. If you can show us...

On top of that, you still dont have the amount of war assets for every factions.. only the war generals... not the TOTAL for all players including players that aren't generals.

U are totally right because time machine does not exist and people overlook things just like u, it's completely normal. Don't worry.
I'm no computer experts and i don't know how to recreate the webpage that i saw several hours ago, that's cool.

Edit: removed a overly emotional response lol

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:05 AM
I've changed a territory from losing to winning with a single donation of war assets, so I don't see how you can say for sure what 'would' have happened.
Knights had it at close of play.
You may visit the Knights castle to cry into our bottomless bucket of Viking / Samurai tears.

Did i say i am sure Samurai would have won? Are u sure u understand English?

BlueLightning6
02-13-2017, 01:08 AM
I do not understand as to why they would cut the turn short, and declare the knights the winner, without taking into consideration the changes that would have taken place at the actual end of the turn. If the last turn didn't matter in the end, then why let people continue to play and try to attack/defend territories? The turn in which the knights take the lead should have been the last turn if you want to say knights won the end of the war. But since they continued, I don't get why the progress players made didn't continue as well.

Mr.0reo
02-13-2017, 01:12 AM
Right after the beta ended, they removed a paragraph explaining the war assets and a youtube link that gives us more information about faction war. it basically says the faction that has the most war assets at the "end" of open beta will win which should be Vikings.

They really should finish the last round, so there wouldn't be so much confusion. Any losing faction would happily accept the result, but now i just feel unfair that the result is based on an unfinished round and unclear winning criteria.

here:

http://i.imgur.com/AN9Ugfy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AN9Ugfy.jpg

EDIT:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4f9xUpUYAAk-LN.jpg:large

ReReminiscence
02-13-2017, 01:14 AM
The issues to me is the lack of consistent ruling by Ubisoft. Vikings had that extra turn that finished after servers closed in CBT but now they change their precedence for the last full turn counting. Also ZERO communication so there wouldn't be this confusion and anger .... how hard it is to SAY something and communicate your wishes to your community?

Vengeful.Soul
02-13-2017, 01:16 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4f9xUpUYAAk-LN.jpg:large

During the Open Beta, the Samurai were dominating during the first 3 days and well into the last day when you go by the average number of territories controlled. (Which you can clearly see in the picture that Mister.Genji posted) The Knights would then be a close second, followed by a close third with the Vikings. However, taking the average number of territories controlled as the final score (which would accurately represent participation in the Faction War) makes no sense to Ubisoft. Instead, they only use the last period before the season ends. The system is prone to cheese from purposeful non-participation in the couple of rounds prior so that you lose multiple zones. As it stands, to win the Faction War, you want to have about 16-19 zones controlled before the last round because its incredibly easy to gain 7+ zones when your resources are not spread thin. A point accrual system based on how many territories you control at the end of each round would be far better than the last second zerg rush that we have right now. As it stands now, there is no point to actively participating in the Faction War by strategically deploying War Assets as it does not matter what you do until the last round. I am sorely disappointed by the pointlessness of the current version of the Faction War. Great Job on that one Ubisoft.

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:27 AM
here:

http://i.imgur.com/AN9Ugfy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AN9Ugfy.jpg

EDIT:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4f9xUpUYAAk-LN.jpg:large

Thanks that's what i was trying to find!

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:29 AM
I dont know. I was hoping you had a screenshot or you seen one around the Internet. Unfortunately, I can't remember I read this anywhere and I dont have screenshots myself sorry.

Check #24, screenshots and war assets. So u know i am not making this up.

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:31 AM
"Hands you a gold trimmed bucket for your tears*.

Kindly return to its rightful owner

Somonosouke
02-13-2017, 01:37 AM
"Hands you a gold trimmed bucket for your tears*.

Really lame. I hope for you, Samurais and Vikins never make a allianz

erico360
02-13-2017, 01:40 AM
How ubi is handeling the faction war:

http://i.imgur.com/BHjlNBf.jpg

Somonosouke
02-13-2017, 01:47 AM
I hope not because I looked up Allianz in the dictionary and didn't find it. I can't fight against a made up entity.

Are you sure you know what a dictionary is?

erico360
02-13-2017, 01:51 AM
Appolyon is proud of this thread.

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:52 AM
You mean the people in this picture with the BIG number compared to the others with the LITTLE number, right? ;)

https://i.imgsafe.org/0fdd76711f.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4f9xUpUYAAk-LN.jpg:large

Oh in case ur English is poor, LITTLE should be replaced by SMALL, u're welcome.

FR4NCO
02-13-2017, 01:55 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4f9xUpUYAAk-LN.jpg:large

Oh in case ur English is poor, LITTLE should be replaced by SMALL, u're welcome.

funny how every knight keeps posting a screenshot of them about to lose...hahaha

Somonosouke
02-13-2017, 01:55 AM
Here, cry into this ....

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/586008690697699328/PN-zOqQ4.jpg

Not for you ;P

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 01:55 AM
Appolyon is proud of this thread.

Despite the fact that she was never in open beta lol

Karthex.EMBR
02-13-2017, 01:55 AM
GREY! I FOUND YOUR PROOF:

https://imgur.com/AN9Ugfy

UbiNoty
02-13-2017, 01:59 AM
Hey guys. I understand that we're all very passionate about our faction but let us make sure that we keep our discussions civil and to be respectful to all the members of the community - thanks!

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 02:04 AM
"Oh in case Your English is poor, Little should be replaced by small. You're welcome."
Just thought I would point that out.

oh thank u , what would i do without u, MS word spelling check. lol

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 02:08 AM
Hey guys. I understand that we're all very passionate about our faction but let us make sure that we keep our discussions civil and to be respectful to all the members of the community - thanks!

Relax, most of us are reasonable players who just want some answers, unlike certain someone who is always carrying tear buckets for unknown reasons lol

erico360
02-13-2017, 02:09 AM
Hey guys. I understand that we're all very passionate about our faction but let us make sure that we keep our discussions civil and to be respectful to all the members of the community - thanks!

Why didn't you guys thought beforehand how the beta's faction war ending should be handled?

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 02:11 AM
GREY! I FOUND YOUR PROOF:

https://imgur.com/AN9Ugfy

thx man, appreciated!

Karthex.EMBR
02-13-2017, 02:11 AM
What can I say, victory makes me a bit emotional.

You're just a dumb troll who deserves a ban, now stfu.

TyraelThunder
02-13-2017, 02:13 AM
I just wonder why everyone is so upset. Compared to the Gold Edition framework, the Open Beta one is totally ugly Oo So let the knights have their poor framework...

Mr.0reo
02-13-2017, 02:17 AM
I just wonder why everyone is so upset. Compared to the Gold Edition framework, the Open Beta is totally ugly Oo So let the knights have their poor frame ...

Because was rigged. If they finished the beta when the last round ended nobody would complain. But they finished the beta before the playable round end. Is like you working extra hours without receiving PAYMENT for that extra hours.

Karthex.EMBR
02-13-2017, 02:17 AM
You're not a Viking are you? ;)

so what if he is? you gonna tell the mod to cry into a bucket? Damn you're dense.

YappysDaBeast
02-13-2017, 02:18 AM
Because was rigged. If they finished the beta when the last round ended nobody would complain. But they finished the beta before the playable round end. Is like you working extra hours without receiving PAYMENT for that extra hours.

the last proper round ended at 9PM GMT. And beta ended 10PM GMT, its fair knights won.

So 5 hours of that time after the beta ended was fair for the vikings to win? Loooooool THE SALTY VIKINGS!

Karthex.EMBR
02-13-2017, 02:20 AM
At least I have a shiny new golden emblem to decorate my bridge with. :)

cool, i do too, totally undeserved.

Karthex.EMBR
02-13-2017, 02:21 AM
the last proper round ended at 9PM GMT. And beta ended 10PM GMT, its fair knights won.

So 5 hours of that time after the beta ended was fair for the vikings to win? Loooooool THE SALTY VIKINGS!

https://youtu.be/1XijyLanX2A

that image negates your entire point.

Yvendel
02-13-2017, 02:23 AM
The last time I was on, us, Samurai, were winning. Wtf happens, who destroyed my bloody town into ashes?

GreySYT
02-13-2017, 02:23 AM
Because was rigged. If they finished the beta when the last round ended nobody would complain. But they finished the beta before the playable round end. Is like you working extra hours without receiving PAYMENT for that extra hours.

couldn't agree more. Wasn't because the petty emblem frames, it's about the efforts.

erico360
02-13-2017, 02:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KAGwNtI26w

Zolkus
02-13-2017, 02:28 AM
Its good to know I fought 3 hours to nothing. I like when the rules are broken.

TyraelThunder
02-13-2017, 02:30 AM
Just pick your Gold Edition Framework and laugh about all those knights :D

UbiNoty
02-13-2017, 02:41 AM
Ok. Hi guys - I really appreciate your passion for the faction war but the direction of this thread has pretty much gone downhill so I'm closing it.