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tenmmike
03-29-2004, 11:25 PM
http://www.vamfox.rchomepage.com/images/tmp/namethatplane.jpg

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[This message was edited by tenmmike on Mon March 29 2004 at 11:06 PM.]

tenmmike
03-29-2004, 11:25 PM
http://www.vamfox.rchomepage.com/images/tmp/namethatplane.jpg

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[This message was edited by tenmmike on Mon March 29 2004 at 11:06 PM.]

munnst
03-29-2004, 11:48 PM
Looks like a Devastator or an aircraft from the Vultee stable?

T_O_A_D
03-29-2004, 11:57 PM
Northrop A-17 its prop is three blade then Vultee has two blade. in those pics. Also the landing gear had covers for the bottom of the wing like the Northrop.

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[This message was edited by T_O_A_D on Mon March 29 2004 at 11:06 PM.]

tenmmike
03-30-2004, 12:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Northrop A-17 its prop is three blade then Vultee has two blade. in those pics. Also the landing gear had covers for the bottom of the wing like the Northrop.

here is a real nice sight for this type of identity crisis. http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/afhra/wwwroot/photo_galleries/aaf_wwii_vol_vi/Toc/Aircraft_Photos.htm

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[This message was edited by T_O_A_D on Mon March 29 2004 at 11:06 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> toad i almost went for you answere but your plane the a-17 the gear is different and so is the placement of the wings to the fuselage the a-12 are lower then the plane iv pictured

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T_O_A_D
03-30-2004, 01:00 AM
Yep I see that the wing is different now Hmm will look more.

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Korolov
03-30-2004, 01:10 AM
Looks like a very unusual type - the fact that it is in American colors and has landing gear that folds outwards marks it as a uncommon type.

Given it's appearance and cowling design, I'd guess it was powered by one of Pratt & Whitney's Wasp engines, since the A-17A and Devestator share similar cowl designs. I'd also guess that it is either a Northrop or Douglas designed plane.

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg

XyZspineZyX
03-30-2004, 01:23 AM
Wirraway ?

XyZspineZyX
03-30-2004, 01:23 AM
Don't know why the reply came in twice

[This message was edited by Vagueout on Tue March 30 2004 at 12:37 AM.]

ELEM
03-30-2004, 01:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vagueout:
Wirraway ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No way!!

tenmmike, where did you find the picture?


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tenmmike
03-30-2004, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Looks like a very unusual type - the fact that it is in American colors and has landing gear that folds outwards marks it as a uncommon type.

Given it's appearance and cowling design, I'd guess it was powered by one of Pratt & Whitney's Wasp engines, since the A-17A and Devestator share similar cowl designs. I'd also guess that it is either a Northrop or Douglas designed plane.

http://www.mechmodels.com/images/newsig1.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> i first thought a-17 but from the views i have, the vertical stabiliser is diffierent and slightly diffierent wing position as well

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XyZspineZyX
03-30-2004, 01:41 AM
How do I post a piccy in here ?

XyZspineZyX
03-30-2004, 01:50 AM
How about an 0-47 Observation Monoplane. (modified ?)

Boeing

BlindHuck
03-30-2004, 01:52 AM
North American O-47. Powered by Wright Cyclone. 164 "A" and 74 "B" models made in late 30's (started early 37). During war served as target tugs and trainers. Crew of three with the observer in the belly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-30-2004, 01:55 AM
Link
http://boeing.com.au/history/bna/o47.htm

T_O_A_D
03-30-2004, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlindHuck:
North American O-47. Powered by Wright Cyclone. 164 "A" and 74 "B" models made in late 30's (started early 37). During war served as target tugs and trainers. Crew of three with the observer in the belly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Yep I believe your right http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/o-47.htm

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/o-47a.jpg

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tenmmike
03-30-2004, 02:09 AM
thats it guys thanks alot!!!!!

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tenmmike
03-30-2004, 02:34 AM
outstanding work guys thanks..

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tenmmike
03-30-2004, 02:40 AM
BlindHuck good job American O-47A http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/images/north_american_o-47.t.jpg http://boeing.com.au/history/bna/images/o47.jpg

Description
Manufacturer: North American
Base model: O-47 ////////////Vagueout thank you as well

Designation: O-47
Version: A
Designation System: U.S. Air Force
Designation Period: 1924-1942
Basic role: Observation


Specifications
Length: 33' 7" 10.2 m
Height: 12' 2" 3.7 m
Wingspan: 46' 4" 14.1 m
Wingarea: 350.0 sq ft 32.5 sq m
Empty Weight: 5,980 lb 2,712 kg
Gross Weight: 7,636 lb 3,463 kg


Propulsion No. of Engines: 1
Powerplant: Wright R-1820-49
Horsepower (each): 975


Performance Cruise Speed: 200 mph 322 km/h 174 kt
Max Speed: 221 mph 355 km/h 191 kt
Ceiling: 23,200 ft 7,071 m


Known serial numbers
37-260 / 37-368, 38-271 / 38-325

In May 1935, General Aviation Manufacturing Corporation of Dundalk, Maryland, a subsidiary of North American Aviation, completed a new design called the GA-15, later designated the XO-47. (The "O" denoted observation. At this time, the U.S. Army Air Corps operated units, called observation squadrons, dedicated solely to reconnaissance missions.) The XO-47 was an all-metal, cantilevered monoplane, with hydraulically-actuated wing flaps and retractable landing gear. The design featured five water-tight compartments that were built into each wing panel. This design feature provided floatation capability in an emergency water landing. The XO-47 had a large cockpit, seating three crew in tandem. The front seat was the pilot's position, the center section was occupied by the copilot/radio operator/cameraman, and the rear area was the gunner's position, equipped with a .30-caliber machine gun. The center seat could be folded to permit the middle crewman to lower himself to a second seat below, giving him access to the camera bay with its wide observation window. In addition to its extensive reconnaissance capabilities, the O-47 was a rugged airplane, flew well, and was very fast for its day, with a maximum speed of 360 kph (225 mph).

In the spring of 1936, the XO-47 was flown to Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, for evaluation. Strength and flight performance tests met expectations, but design modifications were required in aspects of crew visibility, armament, and propulsion systems. Following these trials, the aircraft was flown to the newly-established North American Aviation plant in Inglewood, California, where it was re-designated the NA-15. A number of further refinements were made by chief engineer and president of N.A.A., James "Dutch" Kindelberger, who had come to North American with the acquisition of the Berliner-Joyce Aircraft Corporation in 1933. The XO-47/NA-15 was accepted by the U.S. Army Air Corps, and on Aug 15, 1936; they ordered 109 aircraft.

The first production model was equipped with a 975-horsepower Wright R-1820-49 Cyclone engine and a three-bladed Hamilton-Standard Hydromatic propeller, and was designated the O-47A. Further tests were conducted at Wright Field. Abnormally high cylinder-head temperatures were noted during full power runs, necessitating modification of the cowling. Rather than undertaking a costly retooling for a complete redesign, small individual air scoops were added to the lip of the cowl on the first production run O-47As. In 1938, the Army Air Corps ordered 55 more O-47As, followed later that year by an order for 74 more, powered by an uprated 1,060-horsepower Wright R-1820-57 engine. This aircraft variant was designated the O-47B.

During the winter of 1937 and 1938, skis were experimentally fitted to an O-47. The Edo Float company also conducted tests with a twin-float installation on an O-47. Both configurations flew, but neither was considered successful.

The O-47 was the most advanced observation airplane ever delivered to the U.S. Army Air Corps, but on the eve of the United States' entry into the Second World War in 1941, its place was eclipsed by newer and more versatile fighter and bomber aircraft that could also perform the observation role, and were less vulnerable in combat. The O-series aircraft were also intended for air-to-ground liaison missions. But light airplanes such as Piper Cubs and Taylorcraft were better suited to this type of flying than the relatively larger and heavier O-47. The new category of L-series, for liaison, using these simpler, light aircraft, was adopted to meet this need, and the O-series designation was phased out.

Thus, the career of the O-47 was short. A few saw limited service in World War II on anti-submarine patrol duty off the U.S. coast, and preformed other mundane tasks. Most had been sent to military ground schools by 1943 for training in modern metal construction and engine and airframe maintenance. By the end of the war only about a dozen O-47s remained intact. A few found their way into civilian hands. One was used to film the final scenes of the movie, Flight of the Phoenix, in 1965, after the famous stunt pilot, Paul Mantz, was killed when flying a specially-built airplane that was the focus of the film. To shoot the last scenes and complete the movie, the O-47 was made to appear like the destroyed airplane.

The NASM O-47A was purchased by the Army Air Corps on October 20, 1938. It was delivered to the Eighth Corps Aero Detachment at Biggs Field, Texas, on October 21, 1938, where it remained until March 3, 1942. After a short stay at March Army Air Force Base, California, it returned to Biggs where it remained until July 12, 1942. It then moved to Salinas AAF Base near Kansas City, where it operated until August 30, 1942, when it went to the Fairfield Air Depot, near Dayton, Ohio. Two months later, it was transferred to the Ames Aeronautical Laboratory at Moffett Field, California, for a tour with the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA). On March 17, 1943, it was again transferred to the 4120th AAF unit based at Freeman Field, Seymour, Indiana, and used for instruction. In May 1946, it was sent to the Douglas plant in Orchard Place, Illinois, where it was prepared for museum display. Its engine was replaced at Moffett Field and the airplane was transferred to NASM on January 3, 1949.

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tenmmike
03-30-2004, 02:51 AM
Vagueout and BlindHuck good job men thanks for your help

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