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Zeroneg1
05-26-2004, 12:08 AM
Hi All,

I've had instances of ground steering being either weirdly off, nonfunctional or in most cases needing to press the (B) wheelbrake to be able to turn left or right while in ONLINE games. I have not played offline games much after 2.01. I have asked some people that this also happens to them. HAs this feature been changed or something else is going on here?

Zeroneg1
05-26-2004, 12:08 AM
Hi All,

I've had instances of ground steering being either weirdly off, nonfunctional or in most cases needing to press the (B) wheelbrake to be able to turn left or right while in ONLINE games. I have not played offline games much after 2.01. I have asked some people that this also happens to them. HAs this feature been changed or something else is going on here?

JG52_Helgstrand
05-26-2004, 12:48 AM
I haven't noticed anything...at least in the 109's, 110, or 111
Does that help?

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Zayets
05-26-2004, 01:21 AM
This is a very normal behavior. Most planes had differential brakes and that was the only way to steer on the ground.Planes like Me262 were in fact towed to the active runway to conserve fuel and also for taxi safety.
In fact is pretty hard to turn a plane only with rudder on the ground when speed is not that high,or better put, when tail wheel is not on the ground.Some planes have this feature , some don't.
I don't know if this was changed now , or earlier , but I have always used wheel brakes when I was taxiing to the runway.

Zayets out
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Zeroneg1
05-26-2004, 02:18 AM
nope this problem seems to be intermitent for me on the same planes...BF-109s are affected the same with P-51's and maybe others too

SUPERAEREO
05-26-2004, 04:13 AM
I have noticed this change too, but I think it might well be more realistic now.

S!


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IAFS_Painter
05-26-2004, 06:36 AM
I think (opinion) ground handling is harder now than it was pre-patch.

I also think (still opinion) it's easier in game than RL ground handling.

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lil_labbit
05-26-2004, 06:50 AM
Steering wasn't changed in the patch 2.01
I also would like to be it more "accurate" - as stated above - most planes were towed, but where's my tow? lol...

Notorious bad steerers (notice these are all front-wheel steerers):
me262 he162 go229

If the p38, the b25 and some others can be made to stay on the runway - then why can't these...

On the multi-engine planes at least you can get some control when using left and right engine throttle, but with the single engine planes all you can do is "pump" the brakes and get just enough speed (it gets a litlle bit better when you get faster).

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Bomber_Dude
05-26-2004, 06:48 PM
I haven't seen any change with the patch, things seemed to change for me when I loaded AEP. Never had any problem staying on the runway before that, now I find that some planes seem to make a bee line for the turf as the speed drops below 100Kph and no amount of braking or rudder will prevent it. As soon as the speed hits 60Kph control again becomes possible.

Now I realize that on some planes the rudder loses effectiveness at low speeds or when you drop the tail but by then I would think the brakes would do the job. Engine torque shouldn't be an issue with the throttle set to zero.

As for the G0229 the only way I have been able to pull off anything close to a normal landing is to get it as slow as possible before touching down. You can hold it off till the speed drops to 90Kph or lower. As soon as the nose wheel touches down, pull up your flaps and get the rear wheels on the ground. You are still pretty much at its mercy untill the speed drops to 60Kph when the brakes will be effective. I have found it's easier to land with the gear up. Same drill on getting the speed down. I usually kill the engines before touching down. Suprisingly enough the plane seems to slide along nicely on the central part of the fuselage and it's not that hard to keep the wings from touching till it has come to nearly a complete stop.

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