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poymando
03-13-2004, 08:26 PM
Hi All,
Just curious if anyone out there knows if the terms "Rodeo" and "Rhubarb" were for the same kind of mission or if they were two different kinds of operations. Thanks in advance for any input

poymando
03-13-2004, 08:26 PM
Hi All,
Just curious if anyone out there knows if the terms "Rodeo" and "Rhubarb" were for the same kind of mission or if they were two different kinds of operations. Thanks in advance for any input

poymando
03-13-2004, 08:28 PM
oops...sorry for the double post!

bird_brain
03-13-2004, 08:40 PM
No prob on the double, a rodeo was a fighter sweep... a rhubarb was an "interdiction flight". I read that as attacking ground objects. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ElfunkoI
03-13-2004, 09:17 PM
I was just reading about this the other day, I think it might have been on these boards.

Expanding off what he says and guessing off what I remember:

One was flat out fighter sweep.

One was many many fighters covering a few bombers to hit a target.

Only the latter was intercepted by the germans. I think the rodeo was the bomber escort mission, but I really don't remember.

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Oso2323
03-13-2004, 09:47 PM
Rhubarbs were small scale (usually 2-4 planes)actions against "targets of opportunity." They were often quickly planned and were only undertaken on days when the weather was favourable (heavy cloud cover, but high enough so that fighters could drop down out of the clouds and maneuver). And no, we don't really have this sort weather in FB. Janes WWII Fighters does, btw.

Usually flight of fighters would fly over the channel at ground level to avoid radar detection, climb to about 6000ft (into the cloud) to avoid the coastal flak belt, then drop down and attack whatever they could find.

The idea was to keep the Luftwaffe on the edge and force them to commit large numbers of fighters that would otherwise be deployed on the Eastern Front. Of course the introduction of the fw-190 pretty much scuttled that plan (They shot down RAF planes at about a 2:1 ratio, thus allowing the diversion of resources). More importantly, the German flak defences were quite devastating. By 1943 the RAF had abandoned Rhubarbs as the quality and importance of the targets destroyed did not outweigh the high numbers of fighters lost to flak.

Oso2323
03-13-2004, 10:08 PM
Ramrods were pretty standard escort missions. In 1943 RAF and RCAF squadrons frequently escorted USAAF B-17's, B-25, etc... to bomb local airfields and industries within France.
But I've also seen Pierre Clostermann describe these as Circuses.

As far as I know, Circuses were earlier (1941) missions in which up to 12 squadrons of fighters would escort 6-12 Bleinheims on operations against airfields and coastal targets. The formations were also called "Beehives." Again, the idea was to force the Luftwaffe into combat.

Rodeos and Rangers were smaller operations - I'd have to look those up. Check out Johnnie Johnson's "Wing Leader" - he cut his teeth on all of the above.

P.S. Is there a reason you're asking this?
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LEXX_Luthor
03-13-2004, 10:30 PM
Awsum, I looked him up (Johnnie)...

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Oso2323
03-14-2004, 09:52 AM
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