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F19_Orheim
04-24-2004, 12:34 AM
After sweating through the last breaths of life in my Logitech JS, I yesterday collected my brand new X45.

I was a bit worried as even though the Logitech was falling apart (after 6 months) I got really successful with it - the use of the twistrudder is really instinctive and easy (but was the first part to crumble, da** I am strong). I have heard a great lot of negative talk about the rudder rocker on the X45...sooo.

Well, I SUCK with this JShttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif so many da** buttons and stuff (thanx Tully and adlabs for your profiles beeing downloadable, helps a lot), not to talk about the use of a Hotas-setup(!), a big throttle with loads of stuff on the side of the JS is very confusing for my brain http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, as I use rudder A LOT so I decided to revers the throttle, thus max power towards me in order to more easily use the rudder rocker. damn I need to be more gentle with the input!
But I need to get used to it, "max towards me!???"

BUT...

I am sure this will grow on me, turning out to be a great piece of equipment - I just have to "connect it" to my backbone.

I think I have read all threads about the X45 before I ordered it and I just want to thank all you people who have posted your hints, profiles and stuff - made my introduction to those big pieces of metal and plastic so much easier.

oh, removing the pinky button was necessary for me... and my wife thinks I am silly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sinc

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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Fri April 23 2004 at 11:46 PM.]

F19_Orheim
04-24-2004, 12:34 AM
After sweating through the last breaths of life in my Logitech JS, I yesterday collected my brand new X45.

I was a bit worried as even though the Logitech was falling apart (after 6 months) I got really successful with it - the use of the twistrudder is really instinctive and easy (but was the first part to crumble, da** I am strong). I have heard a great lot of negative talk about the rudder rocker on the X45...sooo.

Well, I SUCK with this JShttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif so many da** buttons and stuff (thanx Tully and adlabs for your profiles beeing downloadable, helps a lot), not to talk about the use of a Hotas-setup(!), a big throttle with loads of stuff on the side of the JS is very confusing for my brain http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, as I use rudder A LOT so I decided to revers the throttle, thus max power towards me in order to more easily use the rudder rocker. damn I need to be more gentle with the input!
But I need to get used to it, "max towards me!???"

BUT...

I am sure this will grow on me, turning out to be a great piece of equipment - I just have to "connect it" to my backbone.

I think I have read all threads about the X45 before I ordered it and I just want to thank all you people who have posted your hints, profiles and stuff - made my introduction to those big pieces of metal and plastic so much easier.

oh, removing the pinky button was necessary for me... and my wife thinks I am silly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sinc

//Orheim


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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Fri April 23 2004 at 11:46 PM.]

TheKetamineKid
04-24-2004, 12:45 AM
I can empathise totally with u m8, I switched the throttle too and have just assigned all the keys instead of using a profile which i have found easier to use. That damn rudder still alludes me though, i just cant get used to it even after 6 months lol. My old SW with the twist rudder was much more user friendly although i have heard of people using their origional stick with the X45 throttle but i refuse to do this as i spent 75 on the bloody thing so i'm not using just half of it!!


Combine this with TIR and its a pretty immersive experience. All u have to do is get used to auto pitch on the 109 and you'll be a real man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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F19_Orheim
04-24-2004, 12:53 AM
yeah, I've got the TrackIr and I love it... and if the rudder turns out not to work at all I just might try to find another solution.

for rudder I have used..

- keyboard (sux)
- pedals for my steering wheel (too inaccurate)
- twist (accurate but rudder comes into play sometime unknowingly)
- rudder rocker (akward postion on the X45, but reversed the throttle, might work - dunno yet)

I still have to try out REAL rudders like CH or something, but that will have to wait. I need to give this rudder thingy a chance and also my wife LMAO!


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Tully__
04-24-2004, 01:47 AM
Try settting sensitivity settings for the yaw axis down a bit, I use:

35 41 48 56 67 76 82 89 95 100

They may still be a bit high on the left hand sliders for someone used to twist rudder, but it's as good a place to start as any.

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HH Quazi
04-24-2004, 02:01 AM
The rudder is a sensitive little bugger. I haven't tried adjusting the yaw yet. I've just gotten used to barley applying it, especially on take offs and now am able to keep the plane centered all the way until I take off. I've only had mine for about three or four months now and admit that it was a bit challenging to learn. But now, I wouldn't have another stick. The best stick ever I have bought. I do wish it had force feedback though. And with all the bells and whistles, you would think it would. But, nevertheless, without it, it still is my favorite stick of all time! S!

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triggerhappyfin
04-24-2004, 03:14 AM
Yeah, the Saitek stick is just something!

I´ve got the x-36 usb model and are very pleased with it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

A while ago I modified the set by inserting a D-sub to the throttle and connected it to the rudder leads. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Now I´ve connected my old Thrustmaster Elite pedals to it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

No more rocker pedals.

F19_Orheim
04-24-2004, 03:17 AM
well no worries taking off actually after 1 hour play. Condsidering this I am very confident in getting this right in just short time, will take time though to get to that level of control I had with the twitch I think..

Thanx tully for the Yaw input, much appreciated!!!! I'll try this later today...


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F19_Gazoo
04-24-2004, 08:31 AM
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Good that got it up and working!

Cu out there!
My left hand is offline(had an operation a week ago), but in a week or so.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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AdEridanus
04-24-2004, 08:35 AM
The only problem I've really had with the rocker is that its awkward position on the throttle makes accurate low end adjustments nearly impossible without developing instant carpal tunnel. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I'm screwing with my sensitivities, so I'll post a good one if I find it. So far:

1 2 4 8 16 32 48 64 80 100

This allows for accurate small input for taxiing and slip-skid, but climbs rapidly so you can still use max rudder to get out of spins. This probably can be improved upon, so play around with it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HangerQueen
04-24-2004, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
yeah, I've got the TrackIr and I love it... and if the rudder turns out not to work at all I just might try to find another solution.

for rudder I have used..

- keyboard (sux)
- pedals for my steering wheel (too inaccurate)
- twist (accurate but rudder comes into play sometime unknowingly)
- rudder rocker (akward postion on the X45, but reversed the throttle, might work - dunno yet)

I still have to try out REAL rudders like CH or something, but that will have to wait. I need to give this rudder thingy a chance and also my wife LMAO!


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I wouldn't advise using your wife as a rudder, old chap.

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Bearcat99
04-24-2004, 01:59 PM
If you can afford it get a set of CH pedals down the line.. you wont be sorry.

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Taylortony
04-24-2004, 02:23 PM
All that sand and no water.................. suppose i will have to drink beer instead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

willyvic
04-24-2004, 04:35 PM
I use my racing wheel pedals for the rudder. After setting the sliders in the Hardware Setup/Input I find them quite satisfactory. My settings are:
0,0,3,16,28,40, 53,69,80,100

Allows me to rest my feet on the pedals and gives a smooth initial input. Works for me and no muss with switching out gear when I get the racing itch.

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F19_Orheim
04-24-2004, 04:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AdEridanus:
... without developing instant carpal tunnel. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HangerQueen:
I wouldn't advise using your wife as a rudder, old chap.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, I was close asking her http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
If you can afford it get a set of CH pedals down the line.. you wont be sorry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LeadSpitter_
04-24-2004, 07:21 PM
I tried the x45 for about 4 months I was trying to get as good as I am with a twist rudder and never could. I tried just about every rudder setting possible and still i could never get as accurate with the rudder that a twist stick offers.

I now fly with th x45 trottle and the saitek cyborg twist stick. I tried the ch rudder peddles with the x45 and it was alot better but the ch pedals are way to close for my ape feet so i wound up returning them.

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F19_Orheim
04-24-2004, 11:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I tried the x45 for about 4 months I was trying to get as good as I am with a twist rudder and never could. I tried just about every rudder setting possible and still i could never get as accurate with the rudder that a twist stick offers.

I now fly with th x45 trottle and the saitek cyborg twist stick. I tried the ch rudder peddles with the x45 and it was alot better but the ch pedals are way to close for my ape feet so i wound up returning them.

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ouch I think I need a positive input after that one Leadhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Tully__
04-25-2004, 02:34 AM
Positive input coming up:

Out of interest I plugged in a basic MS Sidewinder that I bought as a spare stick. No rudder axis, so keyboard is the go. It made me realise how much I actually use rudder on my X-45. It has become so natural that I'm no longer aware of the rudder rocker.

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F19_Orheim
04-25-2004, 05:12 AM
Thanx Tully http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

well I am more concerned that I will miss the twist action http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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F19_Orheim
04-25-2004, 06:29 AM
Does anyone have any good Pitch and Roll axis settings for the X45?

Would appreciate it


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Tully__
04-25-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
Does anyone have any good Pitch and Roll axis settings for the X45?

Would appreciate it


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Mine:

Roll: 13 21 28 39 53 65 77 88 96 100
Pitch: 22 28 37 45 54 65 77 88 97 100
Yaw: 35 41 48 56 67 76 82 89 95 100


Roll is a bit sensitive for planes like Fw190 and MiG3, but I spend most of my time in more sluggish aircraft so it suits me.

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F19_Orheim
04-25-2004, 02:14 PM
thanx mate, you are a buddy!


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Jezzadog
04-25-2004, 07:20 PM
What F19_Orheim said: "reverse the throttle, thus max power towards me ......"

The mind boggles! Whatever happened to the good old conventions of "forward to go faster, switch up for ON etc". Maybe you could reverse ALL your controls, sit on the desk and have the monitor in your chair ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Maybe the answer is to fly LOMAC. Everyone knows that pure jets don't need rudders - the rudders are only there to give the pilot somewhere to rest his feet.

For the Flight Sim Aces: Is the X45 rudder control a real problem, or one of those things you can get used to? I was about to send off for an X45 until I read this topic. Maybe I'll just wait until my Logitec FFB stick comes back from the repairers (where have I heard that before?) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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ColoradoBBQ
04-25-2004, 07:41 PM
I've gotten used to the rocker on the throttle for my rudder. I just needed to adjust the setting for the rudder in Hardware Setup to move it smoothly.

Jetbuff
04-25-2004, 08:51 PM
Dunno what you guys are on about, the X45's rocker is absolutely the dog's bullocks! Didn't even have to reverse it. Unless you go with actual rudder pedals I don't see how you could get a more intuitive an ergonomic means to control your rudder.

You simply have to unlearn the twist stick thing and give yourself totally over to the X45 and it's rockin' rocker! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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tsisqua
04-25-2004, 11:07 PM
Hmmm, you didn't have any trouble shooting me down with that rocker thing today, Orheim. LOL


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F19_Orheim
04-26-2004, 02:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Hmmm, you didn't have any trouble shooting me down with that rocker thing today, Orheim. LOL


Tsisqua<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HHehe tsisqua my friend, That was a lucky shot. The reason for me downing you was that I turned inside you and had a LOOONG time to work with the rudder. The problem (now anyway) is that the rudder (or me) is too inaccurarte when there is just a small timewindow.


The reason I had to reverse the throttle is that the rocker is really hard to reach (unless you stand up) when it is pushed all the way forward. If you don't use rudder much in flight then there is no problem, but if you are a "rudder user", then it can get troublesome.

Anyway, I have used it maybe just for a few hours and I am sure that I will find myself comfortable with it in the end. Again thanx all you X45 users for your input, it really is a great help.

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Thud-Vols
04-26-2004, 05:31 AM
- twist (accurate but rudder comes into play sometime unknowingly)

After comparing tracks with a twisty vs X45 I quickly realized how much airspeed I was unknowingly bleeding off with a twisty. My initital experience with the X-45 was similar to what's already posted here but I quickly got used to it. IMO, the only thing better than the X-45 rudder is switching to actual rudder pedals. It's a learning curve too.

A good aircraft to compare with is the P-51 because the slip indicator is very easy to see.

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Bull-Dog.
04-26-2004, 06:27 AM
I solved the problem by making my own pedals using one of the rotarys on the X45 throttle. All you need to do is remove the pot and extend the 3 wires to its new possition on the pedals.
Ive experimented with different pedal designs, but at the end of the day all you need is a way of turning the pot via a rod contoled by your feet.
My latest version has reduction gears to allow more movement at my feet to reduce sensitivity. (better take-offs).

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TugZooey
04-26-2004, 06:37 AM
If you are able to sit above the your set up (e.g. on a stool), the rocker rudder is very easy to reach. I position my throttle on my left, a little forward of my hip, and my inability to reach the rocker has been solved.

good luck all!

I found that I bled alot of speed too with my twisty. I love my X-45!