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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:58 AM
Okay, I could of imagined this (like 3 times), but when I dive on a tank, sometimes it stops, looks up at me, and fires one shot, like it was their main gun. And if I get hit, usually it means KO or half my wing just disappeared.

Umm, did they actually fire their main gun at me? If so, is this historically correct?

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:58 AM
Okay, I could of imagined this (like 3 times), but when I dive on a tank, sometimes it stops, looks up at me, and fires one shot, like it was their main gun. And if I get hit, usually it means KO or half my wing just disappeared.

Umm, did they actually fire their main gun at me? If so, is this historically correct?

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:03 AM
Original version of IL2 right?

The Tank AI was overmodeled in their ability to shoot down aircraft with their main armament.

IL2:FB improved this alot, I can't remember if any of the IL2 patches effected this situation.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:05 AM
yes it has happend otto carius a german tiger comander explains it one time in his book "TIGERS IN THE MUD".it was rare of course ........what game exactly are you flying ( giv version number).....we did have a older version where there were tank "snipers" (il-2)but the later fb fixed this

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:22 AM
Well it shouldn't be modeled at all. I'd bet a fortune that this didn't happen more than a handful of times during the entire war. Maybe even just once or twice. The odds involved must be incredible. Considering the relatively low elevation limit of the common 50, 75, 76 and 88mm main tank guns, the aircraft would have to be scraping the deck for this to be possible.

And yes, he must be talking about the original IL2.



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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:21 AM
It never happens in the game _unless_ you're SLOW and on the DECK. They may take a pot shot if you're fast and low, but will never hit. The tank guns have the same elevation limits as in real life, they won't hit you if you dive on them at say 40 degrees. Most german and soviet tanks were not equipped with flexible AA mgs, so they have to shoot at you with something, and the co-ax won't be very scary.

This discussion has been had before. I've not been shot down once by a tank gun in FB, except for the PzII and some of the soviet light tanks with 20mm guns. It's been fixed.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:40 AM
And be sure it was a tank!

The Wirblewind (or Ostwind?) was a tank chassis with AA guns mounted. They were designed to shoot down planes.


There were a few other chassis used (for example the SdKfz 251 - a 1/2 track).


The Russians had similar (I can not remember if they are in game) - as did the British.
The US mounted quad ?.50 cal? on half-tracks too.



IIRC, these self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) will all be called tanks when they shoot you down.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:46 AM
Painter is correct. Even if msg says u were shot down by tank it could be another armed vehicle.
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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:43 AM
umm, it's not the actually getting shot down that bugs me, but that tanks (yes tanks, not AA tanks or 1/2 trucks) try to use their main guns to shoot down planes, it's just not realistic and out of par with this great game.

It was teh orig game not FB with full updates.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:56 AM
ciphrix1 wrote:
- umm, it's not the actually getting shot down that
- bugs me, but that tanks (yes tanks, not AA tanks or
- 1/2 trucks) try to use their main guns to shoot down
- planes, it's just not realistic and out of par with
- this great game.
-
- It was teh orig game not FB with full updates.
-

Well, if you insist on flying your plane low and slow in front of a tank gun, don't be surprised if it fires at you. In the game as in real life.

Bit of trivia: The Danish armoured recon battalion on Zealand used extremely modified M-41's, that trained in shooting down Soviet choppers during the expected air assault in case of a fullblown war.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:09 AM
This falls into same category as barrel rolling 4-engine bombers, olympic champion sharpshooters as gunners and open cockpit planes at 9000 meters.

Im not saying that it didnt happen...

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:39 AM
The tanks are Great I love them stop crying about it sheesh

There Especialy good when you create a MP DF Map you stick some tanks on the bases German tanks for blue Russian for red of corse then no enemys can land on friendly bases if they do they pay the price.....

The Tanks send um to hell.......!!!

Ive never been shot down by a tank in IL2FB in Il2 yes the msg you have been killed buy a tank main gun is wrong in most cases.

I have been shot by tanks when I laned on enemy bases muahahhahahah I LOVE IT!!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:49 AM
Just go and get FB, drop IL2. Tank problem solved. End of argument.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:50 AM
the AA vehicles like Flakpanzer are labeled tanks, so that may be the ones shooting you down most of the time, even though once in a while a regular tank does too.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 01:59 PM
dont forget that the panther and tiger tanks were armed with 88mm cannons.

thats the same as a frog 88 AA gun.
although firstly these tanks are later war weapons, they are capable of downing aircraft but would have only had a limited angle of fire and would have been very unlikely to attack planes.

however the possibility is still there. it is feasable.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:08 PM
tonedogbf110 wrote:
- dont forget that the panther and tiger tanks were
- armed with 88mm cannons.
-
- thats the same as a frog 88 AA gun.
- although firstly these tanks are later war weapons,
- they are capable of downing aircraft but would have
- only had a limited angle of fire and would have been
- very unlikely to attack planes.
-
- however the possibility is still there. it is
- feasable.

The Tiger I had the former AA 88mm gun. While the Tiger II had a 88mm specifically anti tank gun based on the Pak43, and not the Flak36. The panther had an Anti tank 75 mm gun.

Tiger I wasn't a late war tank, as it appeared in late 1942 IIRC.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:19 PM
The calibre length of the Tiger I tank was 56 as opposed to 71 of the PAK or FLAK version. Otherwise the breech would not fit into the turret. This means the barrel of the tank gun had only 70% of the length of the crew served weapon with obvious consequences for the muzzle velocity.

Tiger II sported the original PAK 8.8cmL71 barrel. Which does not mean it was suitable for shooting aircraft, anyway.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:35 PM
If you kill or get killed by an armored vehicle, say, a halftrack with an AAA on the back, the game message refers to it as a "tank". It would be nice for the text to be more specific. How hard would that be to fix? This is laziness on the part of the developers.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:07 PM
Hi, 2002 called, and it wants this thread back.



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