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Mitlov47
04-01-2004, 01:34 AM
My favorite dive bomber of _Aces of the Pacific_. Glad to know I'll have a chance to fly the girl once again.

Any other fans out there?

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Mitlov47
04-01-2004, 01:34 AM
My favorite dive bomber of _Aces of the Pacific_. Glad to know I'll have a chance to fly the girl once again.

Any other fans out there?

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(aka Mitlov on HyperLobby and Ubi)

VVS LA-5FN -- "Yes Anastasia"
FAF BF-109G-6 -- "Ever Dream"
USAAF P-47D-27 -- "The Happy Phantom"

CHDT
04-01-2004, 01:42 AM
I like it too, such an elegant aircraft.

But I like this aircraft too, because of that:

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/16105/Douglas%20Dauntless%20SBD_016.jpg

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Longjocks
04-01-2004, 04:58 AM
I don't actually know that much about the Dauntless. However, I had a model kit of it when I was barely beyond the point of being the sloppy leftovers from my father's loins, so it's cool to me. Being able to fly it in a game will bring back memories of when I used to play with it - custom, lip generated engine sounds included.

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Lt.Davis
04-01-2004, 05:04 AM
i'm on

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Translated:
"Let the whites of your bones, but do not show the whites of your eyes"

michapma
04-01-2004, 05:18 AM
Time to start collecting Pacific fighter manuals! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Capt.Relic
04-01-2004, 08:02 AM
The SBD is, and will forever be, my favorite aircraft of all time. There was a reason she had the lowest loss rate of any US carrier-based Pacific Theater aircraft. She also sank more ships than any other Weapon of the war. Among these were the carriers Shoho at the Coral Sea,and the Akagi, Soryu, Hiryu and Kaga at Midway. She may be a bit slow, but her toughness, reliability and stability in the dive were unmatched. Give me an SBD-3 any day.

Mitlov47
04-01-2004, 04:36 PM
Here's a question.

There's no doubt the SBD was a fantastic dive bomber. So why wasn't it (or something similar) ever used by the USAAF? The Luftwaffe used Stuka dive bombers a lot during a land-based war. Why didn't the US Army Air Force?

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(aka Mitlov on HyperLobby and Ubi)

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FAF BF-109G-6 -- "Ever Dream"
USAAF P-47D-27 -- "The Happy Phantom"

Cage50
04-01-2004, 04:45 PM
I'll be sportin' a Dauntless from time to time.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There's no doubt the SBD was a fantastic dive bomber. So why wasn't it (or something similar) ever used by the USAAF? The Luftwaffe used Stuka dive bombers a lot during a land-based war. Why didn't the US Army Air Force?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You mean like an A-24 Banshee?

Mitlov47
04-01-2004, 05:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cage50:
You mean like an A-24 Banshee?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool! I never knew about that.

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(aka Mitlov on HyperLobby and Ubi)

VVS LA-5FN -- "Yes Anastasia"
FAF BF-109G-6 -- "Ever Dream"
USAAF P-47D-27 -- "The Happy Phantom"

heywooood
04-01-2004, 10:04 PM
The airforce was implementing Strategic bombing.. They were interested in bigger payloads being delivered in massed formation attacks early on.. SBD is a more personal one v one attack.. you dont carpetbomb a moving target very well - and dive bombing with 5 or six SBD's on an oil refinery or sub pen isnt any smarter. Later in the Airforce campaign the idea was to get down low and fast with a Jug or a Stang and do high speed - high impact damage quick. The SBD was not quick

Korolov
04-01-2004, 10:24 PM
TBF Avenger!

*runs off* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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Giganoni
04-01-2004, 10:56 PM
The poor Judy..fastest dive bomber in the PTO, 100mph or so faster than the dauntless, but only had the zeros for cover and not fast enough to avoid a hellcat. Still, one bomb from it was all it took to take out the Princeton.

FltLt_HardBall
04-01-2004, 11:05 PM
Do you really think they'd make a Pacific sim and leave out the Dauntless? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GT182
04-02-2004, 07:01 PM
Think of what MS left out of CFS2 and had to be made by 3rd parties to be added in.

Oleg and Luthier are way smarter than MS is so I'd think they will include them all. Please! (I can't find a begging Graemlin)

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heywooood
04-02-2004, 07:29 PM
Luthier -

any chance of a screenie of a Dauntless?
or an Avenger?..
an Essex class carrier?

any chance of it soon? .. how soon?..
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EbonHawk
04-03-2004, 10:31 AM
I love the Dauntless too. My father was a rear gunner at Coral Sea and Guadalcanal. When I was younger, he would tell me about going on dive bombing missions in the South Pacific. Can you imagine diving almost straight down in the backward gunner position at high speed, feeling weightless and then suddenly antiaircrafts hits bash against the airplane. And then only seconds later climbing up and looking down at your bombs crash into your target with fire and smoke! What a rush! PF is going to be an awesome flight sim. I can't wait until is comes out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

porcupine1
04-03-2004, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>when I was barely beyond the point of being the sloppy leftovers from my father's loins <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That might just be the must disturbing thing ive ever heard! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Congrats!! you win! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

chris455
04-03-2004, 10:54 AM
The USAAF used the Dauntless, but called it the A-24
It was used in the South Pacific, but not as extensively as the naval version.
There were important reasons why single engine attck planes did not do well in the SWPA in USAAF service beyond the scope of this post (read: I forget why http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) This is dealt with in some detail in ther book Fire In The Sky by Bergerud. He specifically mentions the A-24
S!

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Captain_Avatar
04-03-2004, 11:52 AM
Beat me to the punch about the A-24. I've read that the Free French used them in France from the summer of '44 till the end of the war.

http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/allies/us/cleavera24.htm

Speaking of the VAL divebomber I remember a documentary on the Discovery channel concerning the collabaration of the Nazis and Imperial Japan. Apparently the designs for the VAL and the Kate torpedo bomber were of German origin. Interesting...

[This message was edited by Captain_Avatar on Sat April 03 2004 at 11:01 AM.]