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KMUltra77
07-29-2004, 01:36 AM

KMUltra77
07-29-2004, 01:36 AM

WOLFMondo
07-29-2004, 02:39 AM
I'd buy a Korean war sim but not for the jets. For the Seafury, Spitfire 24 and Seafire 47! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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269GA-Veltro
07-29-2004, 02:57 AM
No thank.

- AEP/Pacific
- BoB
- MED (!!!)
- WEST EUROPE
- EAST EUROPE
- PACIFIC (with new engine)
- WW1

...after, why not also Korea.

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Cmte. Carvalho
07-29-2004, 03:46 AM
I would love a sim were we could fly jets and props togheter... That's why i like so much Vietnam war: in one side, there are Phantoms, Fishbeds... In the other side, there are Broncos, Skyraiders... I believe Oleg can still investing in the FB engine and, after PF, would be great to have a Korean War expansion pack... I'm not much interested in BoB...

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CHDT
07-29-2004, 03:54 AM
Btw, what a pity nobody hosts full-real servers with P-80 against He-162, this is a great match and a completely other way of flying!

WOLFMondo
07-29-2004, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cmte. Carvalho:
I would love a sim were we could fly jets and props togheter... That's why i like so much Vietnam war: in one side, there are Phantoms, Fishbeds... In the other side, there are Broncos, Skyraiders... I believe Oleg can still investing in the FB engine and, after PF, would be great to have a Korean War expansion pack... I'm not much interested in BoB...

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I think BoB will be like Il2 was, it started out at a few planes on the eastern front and gradually grew in size and scope. For a commercial point of view just doing a new engine for a small part of ww2 and a limited amount of planes wouldn't be good or sensible when it comes to money. People will want to see all there favorites in this new engine. Why not do a Korean war sim with the BoB engine or even sell the IL2:FB engine on and have a different company do a Korean war sim?

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Cragger
07-29-2004, 04:31 AM
Ah, the Korean Conflict aka The forgotten War. So much more important than the Vietnam Conflict and yet so overlooked.

The AD/A-1 Skyraider, AD-5 Skyraider, AF Guardian, F2H Banshee, F3D Skynight, F4U Corsair, F6F-5K Hellcat, F7F-3N/P Tigercat, F9F Panther, H03S-1, HO4S-2, H05S-1, HRS-1, HRS-2, HTL-4, OE-1, OY-2, P2V Neptune, PB4Y-2 Privateer, PBM, TBM-3S Avenger, F-80C Shooting Star, B-36J, F-86A, UH-19B Chickasaw, F-84F Thunderstreak, F-94A Starfire, Cessna 0-1G Bird Dog, F-86H, F-51, F-82, B-26, B-29......

vs.

Yak-9, La-11, La-9, MiG-15, and more.


And era of jets but still the intense action of air to air gunnery.

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dadada1
07-29-2004, 05:37 AM
Korean war is a whole different kettle of fish, yeah there are still lots of great prop fighters, including Bearcat and Sea Fury, but it's not really appropriate for IL2. Worthy title in it's own right though.

CHDT
07-29-2004, 07:19 AM
Btw, no Bearcats in the Korean war.

Also no Thunderstreaks, F-86H and Hellcats (except for a few missions in which Hellcats were used as remote bombs).

Cheers,

[This message was edited by CHDT on Thu July 29 2004 at 06:28 AM.]

ZG77_Nagual
07-29-2004, 08:03 AM
with that full range of planes it would be a very interesting simm.

Flygflottilj16_Sulan
07-29-2004, 08:13 AM
Offcourse I would bye a Korean war sim by maddox, but I´d rather see him spend his time on other things.
Something like Veltros list above...

PBNA-Boosher
07-29-2004, 11:00 AM
I'd love it, but I prefer WW2 and WW1.

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Cragger
07-29-2004, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHDT:
Btw, no Bearcats in the Korean war.

Also no Thunderstreaks, F-86H and Hellcats (except for a few missions in which Hellcats were used as remote bombs).

Cheers,

[This message was edited by CHDT on Thu July 29 2004 at 06:28 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

F6Fs where still in active service in the reserve squadrons, and even being used as a flying bomb is still engagment in the war effort (much like the mistel added to FB).

Opps, no F-84F Thunderstreaks, but plenty of F-84 Thunderjets.

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Carnage2681
07-29-2004, 02:21 PM
6 Weeks ago, i start a thread like this in the german forum, and 70 % of the users who answerd would buy an Maddox Korea sim.

So guys, you make the Thunderjet, all we need ist an Il10 ( also in WW2 ), F86, Mig 15, Panther, and some other i dont know *lol*

But we get the Corsair in PF http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BeoWolf_361st
07-29-2004, 04:15 PM
I have been whinin for a Korean Sim since this one came out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif . Would love to fly Mig 15, and F-86, F-84, F-80 and all the Navy Jets, and prop planes. The maps would be awsome too, and we would get Carrier ops. Hope Oleg gets curious and visits this post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif . If not then maybe Starshoy, and Luthier will take notice. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif . Plenty of people would buy a Korean War Sim. Hint...hint....hint.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LEXX_Luthor
07-29-2004, 07:14 PM
...and no MiG~17 in Korean WAR flight sim.

You mean a profitable Korean Addon Pack for 1950s flight sim?

...and MiG~17 included

No Vote here. I'll make my own poll, thank you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
07-30-2004, 12:41 AM
i was hopeing that FB:Korea was going to be next on the list for maddox games : ((((

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KMUltra77
07-30-2004, 01:23 AM
Its great to see alot of good feedback on this subject. All the aircraft mentioned above would be excellent. I think as long as we stay in the "Guns" area we are OK, I just don't want to see the missle thing.Migs and Sabres still had guns, the korean airwar has alot of history too.
I've read lots on the airwar over the Yalu and to do it justice by having Oleg and team work on it would make it great.

Cragger
07-30-2004, 09:14 AM
Of course due to the higher speeds mid air collisions would be even more prevelent in online flying http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Course I have a feeling people would still manage to do that in a WW1 era game.

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WOLFMondo
07-30-2004, 10:03 AM
A WW1 game would be hilarious.

A must would be the 'pull out the pistol and aim with the mouse' button. The Il2 engine is perfect for it, low to the ground so none of that dubious high alt modeling, the planes have limited range so the current map size is well suited and who is going to argue about energy bleed, dive acceleration or .50 cal convergence etc in a WW1 sim? No one!

Bring it on!

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ucanfly
07-30-2004, 03:00 PM
It is interesting to me that by far the most fun I've had in jet dogfight has been when I was in a Yp-80 vs. He-162s in FBs. FB KOrea seems like such a natural addon since some of those planes are made for FB/AEP/PF, and the carrier action would be cool, plus the Russians can swell their chests with pride at the superiority of their Mig-15 performance

WereSnowleopard
07-30-2004, 05:12 PM
My biggest fear that lot of people will be unhappy with Maddox's Korea war is 50.cal machineguns. LOL

Montgomery Python
07-30-2004, 08:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cragger:
Of course due to the higher speeds mid air collisions would be even more prevelent in online flying http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Course I have a feeling people would still manage to do that in a WW1 era game.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Head on passes were fairly common... many many head-on collisions back then.

It's more likely you'd get *****ing about Fokker Triplane climb rate, and overmodelled Camels http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Hmm, how the hell would you work out controls for an S.E 5a with that Lewis gun on the curved rail.

LEXX_Luthor
07-30-2004, 08:23 PM
Don't let the Aviation no~nothings fool ya--they are village idiots, here, at teh ubi.com. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Early 1960s heat seeking missiles took alot of dogfighting skill to get even a small chance of success, that's why guns were put back on tactical fighters. Some expected F~106 to engage in tactical dogfight and was upgraded with cannon and clear top canopy for this purpose. When to go Missile and when to go Gun? That extra dimension would be Awsum to sim. Early countermeasures like landscape and the sun would be Awsum to sim. DOS Flanker 1.0 had heat seekers (although very modern ones--except old R~60) that were often distracted by the sun, hence unlike in FB the Flaker sun was a real Live environmental object for all planes even AI...even missiles fired by AI planes at Player Plane or AI targets were often Distracted by the sun. That is attention to flight sim programming detail. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

The most Whining would be from lack of ability to use "K4" tactics....dive and climb...no with working missiles you don't turn your tail at the enemy. Once engaged you stay engaged until somebody...

Most interesting would be in seeing how they modded the F~106 FM and see if it really does out-dogfight every other plane of its era. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But that is for early 1960s only, 1950s planes will still have the guns.

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Cragger
07-30-2004, 09:10 PM
Well depending on the range, missile type, and your aircraft's acceleration turning your tail can be the right then to do in modern aerial warfare. Missiles rocket engines only go for so long so if your far enough away you can turn and out run them.

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VF-17_Jolly
07-31-2004, 10:53 AM
Im all for a korean add-on for FB if the carriers are a success in PF then adding a Panther would not be any harder than adding a P-80 maybe a Skyraider and a Seafury http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Dammerung
07-31-2004, 04:38 PM
Missiles aren't a No-Skill weapon like some people I think think of them as. In A WWII prop, you pull lead, shoot, walk tracers into Cockpit, and you win. In Vietnam Phantoms, you put burners on Full, meaning you only have about 3 mins combat time to shoot down your enemy before having to run, and have to be Dead behind your enemy, get a good Winder tone, pull the trigger, Keep the pipper in the SAME EXACT position for another 3/4 a second before it even leaves the rail, make sure you arent pointing upward or it'll go into the sun, and not down toward a lake either, cause it'll go into the reflection the sun makes. If you set everything up perfect, and there is nothing wrong with the missile, it'll go right up the tailpipe and the MiG goes down. Otherwise, it'll pass harmlessly beside, and you're out of fuel.

Ever wonder why the top scoring USN and USAF Ace not counting RIOs only had 5 kills? And Why a Vietnamese "Colonel Tomb" had (17?... 16?). A Gun was a lifesaver in nam.

VERDICT: I'm Grabbin' my G-suit, its off to MiG-Alley. Wait... I have no Korean War Sim... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

LEXX_Luthor
07-31-2004, 06:26 PM
You don't want Korean WAR sim http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif you want 1950s flight sim,

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/images/saab_j-29.t.jpg
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/saabj29.htm

mmm, well maybe with Korean WAR addon CD. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
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"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

BellHat
08-02-2004, 09:35 PM
http://members.shaw.ca/hellbat/F86_Calgary.jpg

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JG5_Emil
08-03-2004, 04:24 AM
Incidentally Colonel Tomb/Toon is still an enigma. Its quite possible he was a Russian Pilot.

BTW You can download the Free Targetware game to get a taste for Korea and flying the early jets.