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Stalker58
03-19-2004, 05:58 AM
http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/cgi_ru_e.pl?nav=/eng/avia/ru30.htm&page=/eng/ru/la7.htm

It seems that flying that bird in RL was everything else except of easy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Stalker58
03-19-2004, 05:58 AM
http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/cgi_ru_e.pl?nav=/eng/avia/ru30.htm&page=/eng/ru/la7.htm

It seems that flying that bird in RL was everything else except of easy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Stalker58
03-19-2004, 06:23 AM
Ehhh, after studying the web pages more deeply I don't trust it anymore, too many mistakes seems to me...

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

BaldieJr
03-19-2004, 06:24 AM
Who cares about "real life" anyways?

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Capt.LoneRanger
03-19-2004, 06:44 AM
If you want some good reading on LA's and what there were like in RL, check this out:

http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/deshist.html

Especially the foot-note sounds more real than what we're told:
Foot Notes

In his initial choices of birch and pine Gorbunov had indeed allowed the mass production of fighter aircraft using material native to Russia. Aircraft when manufactured were done so with a life expectancy under combat conditions of months rather than years. The wood was not treated with any preservative and so its natural life was not long by "normal air craft" standards. In deed only 2 examples of the La mark survive today. (Both La-7's one at Prague Kbely museum the other at Moscow Monino Museum) In fact the frames were so vulnerable to fungicidal attack that when a squadron was sent to a subtropical climate (after the war) all planes were grounded and lost due to weakened structural members so attacked.

Considering the tremendous amount of damage the LA's tail takes, this really makes you wonder... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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Hristo_
03-19-2004, 06:46 AM
Certain things are a slight bit optimistic with our La-7, some might add http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-19-2004, 07:20 AM
lol Too true Hristo. 'Course, many would say that isn't so, but then, you'll find that they fly it or it's allies nearly exclusively. lol

'twas a good plane. Nice looking too. But, it zooms, dives, climbs, runs flat out, and turns as if it were specialized in all those areas. And it's very tough. And it takes a rediculous length of time to overheat.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-19-2004, 07:27 AM
No I never fly La but I recognize the amateur dogfighter Whining. Common USA people reading magazines in 1941 really did think Jap dogfighter planes were made of bamboo and they did not like the combat results then either and at least they had the guts to Whine to their Congressmen about it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ELEM
03-19-2004, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If you want some good reading on LA's and what there were like in RL, check this out:

http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/deshist.html

Especially the foot-note sounds more real than what we're told:
Foot Notes

In his initial choices of birch and pine Gorbunov had indeed allowed the mass production of fighter aircraft using material native to Russia. Aircraft when manufactured were done so with a life expectancy under combat conditions of months rather than years. The wood was not treated with any preservative and so its natural life was not long by "normal air craft" standards. In deed only 2 examples of the La mark survive today. (Both La-7's one at Prague Kbely museum the other at Moscow Monino Museum) In fact the frames were so vulnerable to fungicidal attack that when a squadron was sent to a subtropical climate (after the war) all planes were grounded and lost due to weakened structural members so attacked.

Considering the tremendous amount of damage the LA's tail takes, this really makes you wonder... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you leave out the second footnote deliberatly!

"One post war incident does reflect the design considerations undertaken by Lavochkins engineers. The country to operate La-7's and La-5FN's longest was in fact Czechoslovakia who maintained them operationally until 1950(Russia dropping the mark by 1947). In 1946 they grounded all but 2 of the mark on the basis of structural degradation. An investigation was conducted to find that the air frame strength had been reduced by half. After initial alarm it was later discovered that Lavochkins engineers had allowed for this in their calculations and that the craft were still fully combat worthy!"

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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Cossack_UA
03-19-2004, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If you want some good reading on LA's and what there were like in RL, check this out:

http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/deshist.html

Especially the foot-note sounds more real than what we're told:
Foot Notes

In his initial choices of birch and pine Gorbunov had indeed allowed the mass production of fighter aircraft using material native to Russia. Aircraft when manufactured were done so with a life expectancy under combat conditions of months rather than years. The wood was not treated with any preservative and so its natural life was not long by "normal air craft" standards. In deed only 2 examples of the La mark survive today. (Both La-7's one at Prague Kbely museum the other at Moscow Monino Museum) In fact the frames were so vulnerable to fungicidal attack that when a squadron was sent to a subtropical climate (after the war) all planes were grounded and lost due to weakened structural members so attacked.

Considering the tremendous amount of damage the LA's tail takes, this really makes you wonder... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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Capt.LoneRanger

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Combat damage and storage-related damage are different things. Lavochkin created his planes to be mass produced cheaply. Why bother creating a plane that will be able to sit in a hangar for decades if in maximum of two years it will become obsolite anyway?!

p1ngu666
03-19-2004, 08:08 AM
yep http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
besides, LA9 was mostly metal
and had 4 23mm cannons off the il2
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AFJ_Skyghost
03-19-2004, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Who cares about "real life" anyways?

http://www.fighterjerks.com/churchsign.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The ones who prefer full realism???

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SlickStick
03-19-2004, 11:10 PM
The only interesting comment in this thread seems to be the belief that the tail of the LA7 is not weak. I rarely survive a shot to the tail without lost controls in FB. Hmmmm..:|

I suggest flying against less warping planes.

The best part about La7 WhineAces is that when they meet the La7 pilots that whup them bad, they cry a little.

Then, when that same La7 pilot jumps in the WhineAce's favorite plane and whups'em again, they cry harder.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lol, real life statistics are the model for the game, not the code. It can't be done in this game of WWII Combat Flight Simulation with today's technology.

Hehe, I love watching the proposed "realism" flyers with their statistics this and climb rate that and lol, their $35 NerdMobile cockpits and I say to myself, "There goes another WhineAce who found he could't hang with the gamers, so he decided he best become a simmer or a B and Zer.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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zugfuhrer
03-20-2004, 04:37 AM
I dont understand Altitude speed ...