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Wannabe-Pilot
04-19-2004, 10:14 AM
Crap I was afraid this would happen. I was warned but...I ignored it because the Logitech was the only FFB stick I could get in a store in my country..

The rudder is the problem. Occassionaly even small inputs from the stick, a slight movement either left or right rudder (but it is more acute with left rudder) will result in a massive yaw movement as if I applied full rudder. If i try to correct all hell breaks loose since the rudder is way too sensitive so I can't even find the dead zone. The result is that the whole plane starts moving left to right like a baby's crib. While this was going on I took a snap view of the pedals - they were floored, as if i applied full rudder. Now this happens only sometimes, and sometimes it works great. I tried compensating by changing the default settings in Hardware - Input menu, but it seems this is a completely separate issue. I adjust the dead zone, axis etc. fly normal for a while and then the same thing happens again. It like for a moment the stick goes berserk, like the pots in charge of the rudder axis are slowly burning out. Is there perhaps another explanation? Please, people say it isn't so, say it will be alright and that my stick will be fine... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif
Other than that and sofar the stick was working perfectly, I had no problems. I don't understand. I bought it with a two year warranty and only used for about 3 month. And I don't even play that much since i don't have the time. How can Logitech stay in business if every one of their sticks breaks apart after three months? I know i can get a new one under warranty but what can I do when after 3 month this one too breaks? Go back to the store and ask for another one? I doesn't make sense!

Wannabe-Pilot
04-19-2004, 10:14 AM
Crap I was afraid this would happen. I was warned but...I ignored it because the Logitech was the only FFB stick I could get in a store in my country..

The rudder is the problem. Occassionaly even small inputs from the stick, a slight movement either left or right rudder (but it is more acute with left rudder) will result in a massive yaw movement as if I applied full rudder. If i try to correct all hell breaks loose since the rudder is way too sensitive so I can't even find the dead zone. The result is that the whole plane starts moving left to right like a baby's crib. While this was going on I took a snap view of the pedals - they were floored, as if i applied full rudder. Now this happens only sometimes, and sometimes it works great. I tried compensating by changing the default settings in Hardware - Input menu, but it seems this is a completely separate issue. I adjust the dead zone, axis etc. fly normal for a while and then the same thing happens again. It like for a moment the stick goes berserk, like the pots in charge of the rudder axis are slowly burning out. Is there perhaps another explanation? Please, people say it isn't so, say it will be alright and that my stick will be fine... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif
Other than that and sofar the stick was working perfectly, I had no problems. I don't understand. I bought it with a two year warranty and only used for about 3 month. And I don't even play that much since i don't have the time. How can Logitech stay in business if every one of their sticks breaks apart after three months? I know i can get a new one under warranty but what can I do when after 3 month this one too breaks? Go back to the store and ask for another one? I doesn't make sense!

adlabs6
04-19-2004, 11:27 AM
This happened to my Logitech Wingman 3D Digital, and it was over. At first, I contacted Logitec tech support, and they sent a new one out at once. They did this three times. But each one I tried had the same problem as the first after a couple months.

Since I had several of them, I took one or two of the apart to see if I could fix them. The pot had worked it's way up from the mounting shaft in one case, as it was only held in by friction. I glued it in, and the stick was fine, until the pot started spiking electrically, and then I just quit and bought a Saitek X45.

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BpGemini
04-19-2004, 11:50 AM
Just lube the pots every few months and you're good to go. Lube the plastic of the pots not the electronics.

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Venom079
04-19-2004, 12:15 PM
Never go with logicrap unless you want endless hassels...IMHO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Bearcat99
04-19-2004, 12:59 PM
Keep the Logitech stick for its FFB and get an X45.. use the rudder rocker of the X45 for rudder control and the stick as a button bay. Best of both worlds.....

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hos8367
04-19-2004, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Just lube the pots every few months and you're good to go. Lube the plastic of the pots not the electronics.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what are pots and what do they look like? How do you get to them?

Wannabe-Pilot
04-19-2004, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Just lube the pots every few months and you're good to go. Lube the plastic of the pots not the electronics.

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How do I do that? I'm not exactly handy when it comes to fixing stuff, all thumbs... Do I need to take the stick apart to do it? And what kind of lube should I use?

It's pointless in a way. I can collect a new one under warranty. But what if that one breaks too? I can't be running to the store every few months it's crazy.

I f**king knew this would happen. But I wanted FFB (and still do since it's the only way to fly IMO enhances the immersion effect tenfold plus it's great for stall fighting) and Logitech was the only FFB stick I could find. I don't like buying electronic merchandize online. The worst part is, I can't buy a new FFB from other manufacturers and get rid of this Logicrap since there aren't any other models in stores.

tsisqua
04-19-2004, 02:16 PM
Every stinking one of those sticks will do that. Why don't you get a refund, then put feelers out here at the community for a stick from one of the members here. Someone will help you. I have seen it done ALOT here. These peeps here, for the overwhelming majority, are very good folks.

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TX-EcoDragon
04-19-2004, 02:35 PM
I knew it. . .I knew I would see the word rudder when I came in here. . . happens every time with the Logitechs.

Understand that I can't claim this will work for you, nor do I want you try break anything trying this out. . .If the warranty isn't up then read no further, just get a new one (but save this post for later you will probably need it ;-)

If however you have no other course of action, then continue reading.

I tried everyhting to no avail, I was rebuilding it all teh time re-lubing it to fix the spiking, but this had to be done every month, I couldn't take it anymore, so it went in the trash can when I was cleaning the computer room one day. In the closet I found some dielectric grease left over from the last time I redid the ignition system on my now donated Chevy. . . about to throw that away too I had an idea. . .

I had nothing to lose so I took it apart one last time,put a dollop of the dielectric grease on the top of the pot inside the handle (enough to work in over time) and it has worked, and better than new I might add, for the past year and a half, and last I heard it is still flawless (I gave it to my dad to use while he learns instrument procedures in FS2002).

You can get this particular type of grease at any aut parts place.

To do this:

First, place some masking or scotch tape over the buttons on the stick to hold thm in place.

There are 4 (I think) screws on the right side of the handle, AND a little lift tab under the part that your hand rests on at the base of the handle that you will need to lift to separate the two halves, (the right comes off all the way, the left can be left more or less in the same place). Once this is done look at the top portion of the white center post inside, at the top is the little rudder pot, actuate the twist of the handle (not too far) to see how it works, once you see the pot, simply place a dollop on top of the pot, rebuild, and hopefully, never do this rebuild again. Oh, there is a twist lock device at the base of the handle, this can be a slight pain when rejoining the halves, just be sure it is lined up and things should go easilly.

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Wannabe-Pilot
04-19-2004, 03:32 PM
OK I just did a few QMB with various planes and it worked perfectly. Just doesn't make sense. As if it (the stick) has a seizure or something. Even FW-190 which gave most grief behaved now. I don't know i guess i have to make a few more flights to be sure, unfortunately I'm going out of town for a few days and until I come back... well it'll have to wait.
Best guess it started to fall apart just isn't there yet... perhaps i can squeeze a few more weeks out of it before it finally throws in the towel... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Wannabe-Pilot
04-19-2004, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Originally posted by TX-EcoDragon:
but save this post for later you will probably need it ;-)

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Sad, but true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Anyway thanks for the instructions if all else fails at least I'll have something to do on a rainy saturday afternoon instead of what I usually do, play IL-2 FB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

BpGemini
04-19-2004, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wannabe-Pilot:
How do I do that? I'm not exactly handy when it comes to fixing stuff, all thumbs... Do I need to take the stick apart to do it? And what kind of lube should I use?

It's pointless in a way. I can collect a new one under warranty. But what if that one breaks too? I can't be running to the store every few months it's crazy.

I f**king knew this would happen. But I wanted FFB (and still do since it's the only way to fly IMO enhances the immersion effect tenfold plus it's great for stall fighting) and Logitech was the only FFB stick I could find. I don't like buying electronic merchandize online. The worst part is, I can't buy a new FFB from other manufacturers and get rid of this Logicrap since there aren't any other models in stores.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The twisty handle rudder pot is what you‚'ll want to lube. I use a can of White Lithium Grease (spray Ė comes with a straw). There‚'s no need to take the entire joystick apart. Actually you risk popping pieces everywhere if you do. Just open the handle gingerly to where there‚'s maybe a half to one-inch gap between the shaft pieces (just enough so you can shine a flashlight into it and fit the straw through). Next locate the twisty pot. On the Logitech‚'s it‚'s generally a little white piece of square plastic with wires running up to it. Using the straw to extend into the stick, lube the plastic part of the pot. Just one little squirt don‚'t spray it just give it a little squirt that‚'s all it needs.

The problem you described is typical with the Logitech twisty rudder control. It just needs to be lubed every now and again. If you like all the other aspects of your Logitech then just do the above maintenance as needed and your joystick will last a long time. The alternative is to continue to exchange it every time or trade it in on something else.

Good luck with whichever you choose.

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BpGemini
04-19-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hos8367:
what are pots and what do they look like? How do you get to them?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


See the above post. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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