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Mike8686
07-07-2004, 10:14 AM
Which Bf109 makes for the most potent dogfighter and why? I find that the G2, G10, and K4 seem to be the best but I'm just not sure, I need ur inputs. Which ones the best and climbing and diving btw, which accelerates best?

Mike8686
07-07-2004, 10:14 AM
Which Bf109 makes for the most potent dogfighter and why? I find that the G2, G10, and K4 seem to be the best but I'm just not sure, I need ur inputs. Which ones the best and climbing and diving btw, which accelerates best?

F19_Ob
07-07-2004, 11:03 AM
They all were great in their own timespan.
109e was an alroundfighter. Good ammo and good turn.(allied was better in turn ofcourse).
109F2 was also good but had only one 15mm cannon. In the F4 they implemented the 20mm cannon. Many pilots liked its performance but missed the punch of the two cannons in the 109e.

Many fb players say the g2 is the best turnfighter but Its actually the F4 (my opinion) wich has same 20mm cannon and better visibility to the rear. In the G2 U actually have to turn more to see past the back armor wich is very bad.

The early G6 is quite a lot heavier than G2 but marginally better engine. The later G6 with the gallandhood and 30mm cannon conversionkit is better than G2( my opinion) bcause of the better visibility to rear and the "one hit one kill" 30mm cannon.( 20mm = 4-10 hits required).

The G6 AS variant has WEP or bost and slightly faster but other than that the same.

G14 and G10 are essentially the same although the G10 is marginally faster.(turn is the same).

The 109K4 is not to different to G14 andG10 but in the game the only one kapable of dives up to 890km/h.
But historically that was done in G6 already (without the buffeting).

The planes from G6 (late) and the other wvariants to 109K4 have about the same turnrate.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-07-2004, 11:05 AM
a bit personel but i prefer the G6AS and G14
i hate to fly the brick called K4 although it climbs faster and a better top speed.
G10 is no improvemt over the G14 except climb wich is slightly better and top speed is 3kph faster (in game)but the G14 is more agile and turn better

the G2 is by far the best dogfighter but it lacks top speed and fire power

so conclusion is early (1942) its gonna be G2
later war (1944) its for me G14 and G6AS
G6AS is the best late war 109 dogfighter and you can choose between the MG151 cannon and Mk108 cannon

but i prefer E fighting/BnZ any way in a 109
so i dont get low slow and dirty with late Yaks and La's


my overall favo 109 is the G14 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif wich has a bit of both worlds

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Franzen
07-07-2004, 11:47 AM
I think it has a lot to do with your fighting style. If you like to jump in and make a lot of noise and use brute force than the k4 is the way to go.

If you like to use more tactic and strategy I find the G2 and the F4 is better. I love killing the K4's with a F or G series. I also hate the Mk108's. I can't hit anything with them.

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eXtra_Corrosiv
07-07-2004, 01:37 PM
the mark 108 makes my speakers go nuts.
I'm a LA7 man recently into the bf. I only really fly late war.

I like the g10 because it seems more stable to me, the k shakes around a little more. I don't fly the g14 because i cant skin and there are many more skins for the 10. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I'm not afraid to turn with the yaks either.

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Prof.Wizard
07-07-2004, 02:58 PM
When I can choose I almost always take the G10. Excellent performance for the way I like to fly.
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The_Gorey
07-07-2004, 03:15 PM
late war i always take k4, speed and climb is all i need. :P

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Martosaurus
07-07-2004, 09:45 PM
I'll second the G-6/AS , with the nose cannon option.Fast, accurate, and deadly! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WTE_Galway
07-07-2004, 09:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martosaurus:
I'll second the G-6/AS , with the nose cannon option.Fast, accurate, and deadly! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

late war the G6/as with a 108 nosie is always a good all round choice

mid war the g2 performs well

the F4 is the best turn fighter of all the 109's

but i have a really soft spot for the Emil .. its just fun to fly .. scud-running in an emil with manual prop pitch enabled is addictive

Jaws2002
07-08-2004, 12:20 AM
I'd give them all for a Dora any day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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JG26_Red
07-08-2004, 12:49 AM
If flown correctly the K4 with a decent pilot can be damn near impossible to beat... if you dont allow yourself to become over interested in turn and losing E you are almost untouchable...

me being rather novice have noticed the last 2 nights i can dive, keep speeds above 600, take a shot, kill or not and climb away from anyone really, if you can adjust to the k4s lack of handling at top speed, keep your speed up peeps have issues... i did it plenty of times, dive, attack and climb and watch the dudes in 51s, la, yak try to keep up hopelessly... it dont turn well at high speed, but in reality the late 109s didnt, so no issue... just gotta love that 1-2 30mm and boom! lol...

WTE_Galway
07-08-2004, 01:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26_Red:
If flown correctly the K4 with a decent pilot can be damn near impossible to beat... if you dont allow yourself to become over interested in turn and losing E you are almost untouchable...

me being rather novice have noticed the last 2 nights i can dive, keep speeds above 600, take a shot, kill or not and climb away from anyone really, if you can adjust to the k4s lack of handling at top speed, keep your speed up peeps have issues... i did it plenty of times, dive, attack and climb and watch the dudes in 51s, la, yak try to keep up hopelessly... it dont turn well at high speed, but in reality the late 109s didnt, so no issue... just gotta love that 1-2 30mm and boom! lol...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

classic B&Z tactics

just be aware that on some servers LW planes are only permitted as target practice for the la7's and you will be booted for "running away" using this tactic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Franzen
07-08-2004, 01:37 AM
Don't kill me or you'll be kicked! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif


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Fritz Franzen

Fehler
07-08-2004, 02:07 AM
What's a 109?

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Jasko76
07-08-2004, 02:18 AM
'm not overly excited with Bf 109, if I can I'll choose any Fw 190 over it. However, I also have a weak spot for Emils... so classic in it's lines. Let me put it this way - I love Emils but dislike all other versions of Bf 109.

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Franzen
07-08-2004, 02:59 AM
The Emils are the best looking 109's in my opinion. I wish it handled and had the power like the Friedrichs and Gustavs though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Any 109 takes a lot of time to learn to fly properly.

Fritz Franzen

Pain....
07-08-2004, 02:59 AM
G6 A/S definatly.
with it's better power to weight ratio then the normal G6's it can handle those sustained turns better and if u can fly it at the edge of the stall no american or late british plane is going anywhere from your gunsights. russian one's I'd still face them with E fighting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ploughman
07-08-2004, 03:17 AM
The AI Bf-109 G6 is impressively strong, despite being thoroughly ventilated by multiple hits with my Spit's Hispanos and .50 cals they keep chugging on, dazed but still flying.

I enjoy flying the Bf-109e myself, although I sometimes cheat on it and revel in the power and glory of the G6.

BennyMoore
07-08-2004, 03:21 AM
You FW-190 pilots break my heart. I know that the plane was good in real life, but in the game, they are easy kills. They cannot compete with the BF-109 in the game on any scale. They cannot outrun or outturn. They are targets. When I see an FW-190, it dies. That's the end of the story. I feel that it is hopelessly undermodelled. Fortunately, while I respect it in real life, I don't particularly like it. I sympathize with you, for I fly the P-38 Lightning, although that is not as badly undermodelled as the FW-190.

The BF-109 G-6 AS is hugely overmodelled. The game's object viewer clearly states that the boost could only be used for two minutes, after which a cooling off period of at least ten minutes was necessary. In the game, however, you can fly with it nearly nonstop. If I ever start to overheat, that's no problem. I just throttle down to zero and low speed turn my undermodelled American or British enemy for a few seconds until my engine is cool enough to zoom off and away again. In the game, the boost is not an emergency device as it was in real life, but rather a no-strings-attached addition to your top speed.

That's why I do not allow the G-6 AS in any maps that I make.

My personal BF-109 is the G-2, but I can't say that it's absolutely superior in any way. It just fits my flying style quite well. I will take the K-4 if no G-2 is available, but I will not fly any other BF-109s because of the unretractable tail wheel. While you may not notice it in the game (because it's not modelled), in real life this would cause huge buffeting and airspeed loss at medium and high speeds.

Of course, the best looking one is the BF-109 E, but it's suicide to fly that in a normal planeset, so I'll have to wait for Battle of Britain to become proficient in that. And use it I shall, for my beloved (albeit undermodelled) P-38 probably won't be in Battle of Britain. And Spitfires will probably once again be incorrectly modelled (they aren't necessarily undermodelled, but they are certainly incorrect - I've seen too much Spitfire footage to think that the flight model is the same as the real thing).

dadada1
07-08-2004, 03:36 AM
Of all the 109s G6 AS has the best blend of virtues. Has good speed reasonable manouverability and when it has the Mk 108 has very good firepower. Beats F4 and G2 with ease.

JG53Frankyboy
07-08-2004, 04:23 AM
the MW50 boost systems of all Bf109s (6/AS , G14 , G10 , K4 ) are working the same way.

AztekWrath
07-08-2004, 05:16 AM
Well, my personal favorite is the 109 F-4. There's something about that plane that grabs me. Probably because it suits of my flying style (i'm not that good by the way). It's fast, it's good in turns, it climbs well... Love it!

Jaws2002
07-08-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:
You FW-190 pilots break my heart. I know that the plane was good in real life, but in the game, they are easy kills. They cannot compete with the BF-109 in the game on any scale. They cannot outrun or outturn. They are targets. When I see an FW-190, it dies. That's the end of the story. I feel that it is hopelessly undermodelled. Fortunately, while I respect it in real life, I don't particularly like it. I sympathize with you, for I fly the P-38 Lightning, although that is not as badly undermodelled as the FW-190.

The BF-109 G-6 AS is hugely overmodelled. The game's object viewer clearly states that the boost could only be used for two minutes, after which a cooling off period of at least ten minutes was necessary. In the game, however, you can fly with it nearly nonstop. If I ever start to overheat, that's no problem. I just throttle down to zero and low speed turn my undermodelled American or British enemy for a few seconds until my engine is cool enough to zoom off and away again. In the game, the boost is not an emergency device as it was in real life, but rather a no-strings-attached addition to your top speed.

That's why I do not allow the G-6 AS in any maps that I make.

My personal BF-109 is the G-2, but I can't say that it's absolutely superior in any way. It just fits my flying style quite well. I will take the K-4 if no G-2 is available, but I will not fly any other BF-109s because of the unretractable tail wheel. While you may not notice it in the game (because it's not modelled), in real life this would cause huge buffeting and airspeed loss at medium and high speeds.

Of course, the best looking one is the BF-109 E, but it's suicide to fly that in a normal planeset, so I'll have to wait for Battle of Britain to become proficient in that. And use it I shall, for my beloved (albeit undermodelled) P-38 probably won't be in Battle of Britain. And Spitfires will probably once again be incorrectly modelled (they aren't necessarily undermodelled, but they are certainly incorrect - I've seen too much Spitfire footage to think that the flight model is the same as the real thing).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dora is faster then all 109s except the k above 4000 m, it turns better at high speed, and it can roll.
To me that's enough.

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ForkTailedDevil
07-08-2004, 07:38 AM
I love the 109 my favorite is the K-4 it has been since I was 10 years old. I haven't yet figured out a effective way to fly the 190 yet. Also I love the big gun in the 109 compared to any of the 190's.

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JG26_Red
07-08-2004, 07:55 AM
on a side note, i read somewhere in here about some of the 109s, especially the late ones not haveing the correct engines moddedled... what do the G6AS, G10, G14 and K4 currently have modelled for them??? in game that is...

geetarman
07-08-2004, 08:24 AM
From a different perspective - I don't fly them, but frequently fly against them in my P-38. So, here's my take on flying a 38 against the 109's:

1. 109E - can be handled easily. Not enough power. Not seen too often on the servers I fly on.

2. 109F - can be handled but more manueverable than the E. Don't turn fight with it, but can easily get away from it due to the power of the 38. I don't see it frequently.

3. 109G2 - The hardest one to fight against! Turns very well. Dives and climbs very well. Good power! It seems very balanced. Only down side is fairly weak guns. I don't like tangling with these. I win about a third of my contests with them.

4. 109G6-14. I don't see much of a difference performance wise between them other than guns. Goad the pilot into a turn fight, drop combat flaps on the 38 and you can hang with them. About even with the 38 score-wise.

5. 1019K. To me it's very fast climbs very, very well. Good guns too. Rare for me to meet someone who fly's it properly though. Most guys eventually start to turn with it and the 38 will then seriously own it. Win 80-85% of my engagements against it.

In sum, and in my IMHO, the G2 presents the biggest challenge. That said the 38 can disenage due to what, I feel, is superior power performance. However, I like to fight when I'm flying so disengaing constantly is not how I like to fly. Hence, I mix it up. Against a G2, that;s dangerous in a 38.

Funny thing is, a P-40E can handle it at low alts!

karost
07-08-2004, 09:18 AM
for me I like every bf109s type , it depend on maps and years start to play in DF server

1940 : for bf109E type need more energy tactic knowledge and decipline to hand on, 2x20 mm cannon is perfect kill at range lower 150meter

10941-42 : bf109F4 every maneuver , BF109G2 same as F4 and alot of energy ,in bad situation I like climb turn to stay away from a group of opponent , I not good in 1x20mm cannon because my style is hit and run ,G2 has one weak point for visibility in 6 o'clock ,it's very bad.

1943 : bf109G,Late come with mk108 cannon match my style for hit and run with deflection shooting skill also have to respect in energy tactic and decipline , I try to avoid dog-fight with turning tactic , surprise attack is the most fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

1944-45 bf109g10 and K-4 if very good in high attitude combat , I like to stay over 6,500m to looking a target below and drive to attack, visibility in 6 o'clock is batter.

IMHO, for each 109s type has difference characteristic, the most important is not a machine but the man , shootting skill, situation awareness , tactic and startegy , discipline in enegery management all are major concern.

S!

[This message was edited by karost on Thu July 08 2004 at 08:34 AM.]

BennyMoore
07-10-2004, 01:27 AM
P-38 L cannot outrun a BF-109 G6/AS or later. P-38 J should be able to, but I and most P-38 pilots don't fly that because you cannot zoom and boom because of compression, and you cannot turn fight because of, well, the obvious.

WUAF_Badsight
07-10-2004, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:

my undermodelled American or British enemy for a few seconds until my engine is cool<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Benny your joking

or full of it

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07-10-2004, 10:00 AM
I like the G2 and G6.

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ColoradoBBQ
07-10-2004, 01:14 PM
I enjoy flying the G6 A/S due to the fact that it can outmanuever any British and American plane and can outrun Russian planes with proper boost control.

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BennyMoore
07-12-2004, 02:28 AM
If you read my post, you'd see that although what you call "proper boost control" works in the game, it didn't work in real life. Even the game's own object viewer states that the boost could only be used for two minutes after which a cooling period of at least ten minutes was required.

The boost could only be used for two minutes after which a cooling period of at least ten minutes was required.

Do I need to repeat it again?

butch2k
07-12-2004, 02:58 AM
The object viewer is wrong, i corrected it before Il-2 was released but the updated file got lost.
MW-50 use should read : 10 minutes use max with pauses at a lower boost setting for 5 minutes.

Fehler
07-12-2004, 03:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
The object viewer is wrong, i corrected it before Il-2 was released but the updated file got lost.
MW-50 use should read : 10 minutes use max with pauses at a lower boost setting for 5 minutes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here Benny, in case you might need him to repeat it again... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh, Butch is writing a book on German aircraft, which I am sure will be out sooner than your book on US/British planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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butch2k
07-12-2004, 04:37 AM
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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-12-2004, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ColoradoBBQ:
I enjoy flying the G6 A/S due to the fact that it can outmanuever any British and American plane and can outrun Russian planes with proper boost control.

http://ourworld.cs.com/Gebaupointy/Backup1.JPG <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dunno who against you fly but the P40 owns it in a turn fight and the P51 can come along (atleast i can)oh and both yak3 and La7 can run it down even with manual pitch wich doesnt give you a speed boost anymore if ever

and with all late 109s the speed/turn/climb its only a small margin (G6AS/G10/G14)K4 got a monster climb thats all,its not a huge difference
topspeed on the deck is almost the same for G6AS/G14/G10 all in all 10kph difference only the K4 goes about 8/12kph faster on the deck wich isnt much

im glad i stepped away fromn the 109 some time ago and fly Dora when i can
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OldMan____
07-12-2004, 06:19 AM
The only problem with dora is that I feel like I am a preferencial target when I am flying it... everyone seems to forget about 109 when they see a Dora as possible target... :P

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-12-2004, 06:33 AM
hehe i think most allied pilots underestemate a well flown dora ,they see it as any other FW with less fire power ,but i know better when i leave all those P51s and spits in the dust and they cannot catch me
i think they know when a FW starts to turn its dead meat and i know it aswell so i fly with speed and E but a dora with E can turn very well if you use short periods of flaps you can make very high angles and get that split second snap shot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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johann_thor
07-12-2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:
You FW-190 pilots break my heart. I know that the plane was good in real life, but in the game, they are easy kills. They cannot compete with the BF-109 in the game on any scale. They cannot outrun or outturn. They are targets. When I see an FW-190, it dies. That's the end of the story. I feel that it is hopelessly undermodelled. Fortunately, while I respect it in real life, I don't particularly like it. I sympathize with you, for I fly the P-38 Lightning, although that is not as badly undermodelled as the FW-190.

The BF-109 G-6 AS is hugely overmodelled. The game's object viewer clearly states that the boost could only be used for two minutes, after which a cooling off period of at least ten minutes was necessary. In the game, however, you can fly with it nearly nonstop. If I ever start to overheat, that's no problem. I just throttle down to zero and low speed turn my undermodelled American or British enemy for a few seconds until my engine is cool enough to zoom off and away again. In the game, the boost is not an emergency device as it was in real life, but rather a no-strings-attached addition to your top speed.

That's why I do not allow the G-6 AS in any maps that I make.

My personal BF-109 is the G-2, but I can't say that it's absolutely superior in any way. It just fits my flying style quite well. I will take the K-4 if no G-2 is available, but I will not fly any other BF-109s because of the unretractable tail wheel. While you may not notice it in the game (because it's not modelled), in real life this would cause huge buffeting and airspeed loss at medium and high speeds.

Of course, the best looking one is the BF-109 E, but it's suicide to fly that in a normal planeset, so I'll have to wait for Battle of Britain to become proficient in that. And use it I shall, for my beloved (albeit undermodelled) P-38 probably won't be in Battle of Britain. And Spitfires will probably once again be incorrectly modelled (they aren't necessarily undermodelled, but they are certainly incorrect - I've seen too much Spitfire footage to think that the flight model is the same as the real thing).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


what a bunch of **** - all of it !

Farkitt_
07-12-2004, 08:03 AM
The Bf 109 and Supermarine Spitfire are dead even for best fighters of the war.

Both were there at the start, and saw out the entire conflict. Great examples of enginuity

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Atomic_Marten
07-12-2004, 08:09 AM
When u ask that question I give you a simple answer: stick to the Bf109F4 (it have the best turn) or Bf109G2 close second, but a little faster than F4. Without further complicating that's it.

To fly other variants, they are almost all better armed, but tougher to handle, so not recommended. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
07-12-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
hehe i think most allied pilots underestemate a well flown dora ,they see it as any other FW with less fire power ,but i know better when i leave all those P51s and spits in the dust and they cannot catch me
i think they know when a FW starts to turn its dead meat and i know it aswell so i fly with speed and E but a dora with E can turn very well if you use short periods of flaps you can make very high angles and get that split second snap shot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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I almost exclusively fly Bf109's variants all the time when I'm playing IL-2, and I feel Fw190 just wasn't for me. Now that I fly (read=experimenting) with Dora I found it to be hell of a ride. Her climb is sooo good, and when I'm offline I just love to bust AI LA7 using climb than BnZ. And not to mention Dora was better armed than most of the late fighters of WW2 (nice for head on http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif).

NorrisMcWhirter
07-12-2004, 10:41 AM
Hi,

I've been flying in early war scenarios for the most part and I prefer the G2 with 20mm gunpods. She climbs and turns well but it's unfortunate that you have to burden yourself with gunpods to be able to down anything quickly.

I must be doing something wrong with 109 BnZs but the elevator response is pretty bad...feels especially so if I've just been flying the 190.

With respect to not allowing the G6/AS on maps because it is 'flawed'...I'm having to stifle a laugh.

Cheers,
Norris

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2004, 11:09 AM
None of you mention the G-10.

That's all I needed to dismantle P-38s all yesterday afternoon, in GAVCA and in Greater Green.

They were all crunchy and stuff....good eatin'.

Andrewsdad
07-12-2004, 12:34 PM
I almost always fly the G2 and now almost always in servers that do not allow external views.

So much of your flying success depends on how well you can see the enemy and KEEP him in sight during the engagement.

I think that the pilots skill can overcome aircraft differences.

Now in servers that allow external views/fighting...
well there the aircraft differences are so very much more important.

Salute !!
JG27_AD