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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:59 PM
just moved to another country and left the cougar at my friend´s - using my old precision pro sidewinder. damn this stick sucks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

climbing and accelerating in the 109 is futile unless you manually tune the prop pitch in my opinion - yes before patch you could fly the G6/AS with 3 20mm cannons attacking at 800 km pulling into vertical tailstands like a rocket with pitch on auto and throttle at 103% - where is the fun in that ?

having only one slider i now assigned the prop pitch to it and use throttle in 5% increments on the keyboard. it´s usually at 95% 100% or 105% as 110% seems to roast the engine now even with radiators open - but i won´t complain cuz the 109 engine had uber cooling in FB1.0.

point is that you seem to get a lot more out of the engine/prop with manual control and i am quite good at this - as i was in FB1.0 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

any discussion on 109 CEM welcomed in this thread - throttle,pitch,mixture in different altitudes - no BS please

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:59 PM
just moved to another country and left the cougar at my friend´s - using my old precision pro sidewinder. damn this stick sucks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

climbing and accelerating in the 109 is futile unless you manually tune the prop pitch in my opinion - yes before patch you could fly the G6/AS with 3 20mm cannons attacking at 800 km pulling into vertical tailstands like a rocket with pitch on auto and throttle at 103% - where is the fun in that ?

having only one slider i now assigned the prop pitch to it and use throttle in 5% increments on the keyboard. it´s usually at 95% 100% or 105% as 110% seems to roast the engine now even with radiators open - but i won´t complain cuz the 109 engine had uber cooling in FB1.0.

point is that you seem to get a lot more out of the engine/prop with manual control and i am quite good at this - as i was in FB1.0 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

any discussion on 109 CEM welcomed in this thread - throttle,pitch,mixture in different altitudes - no BS please

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:01 PM
Hmm good idea to put PP on slider /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif , i always set my throttle to 105% after liftoff and leave it that way...

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:07 PM
CEM was easy in 1.0 compared to this

now u have to take into acount your alt as well

I use 90 pitch for take off, leave it like that till around 1000m (u will know when to change pitch, preferably before the engine screams at you) in the air then go to 80 and so on untill i fly level and straight, then go to auto untill i go back to climbing again. I really only use manual when climbing.

Beware if you start on the mountain map taking off with 90 pitch fries it, take off with 80 and then leave it there cause u start higher.

I am no master with this patch in the 109 this is just what I learned.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:11 PM
I always overev'd to 3500rpms if I used the manual pitch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:20 PM
some good points there - i have to have pitch on a slider because my optimal climb setting is between 75% and 80% pitch (depending on altitude) doing a right turn at around 300km (270-330 depending on weight of aircraft) using 100% power and MW50 you can still outspiral any plane and then bounce it with your 20/30 - if they cant match this manouver - they are as good as dead if you are a good deflection shot.

some thought on my favorite manouver - vertical tail stand. it seems the 109 does not do this as well as before but i can hardly feel the diffrence. attack your target at 700-800km
/h at 1000m alt from a dive and go for a tail stand - you will get up VERY high. another thing - always use wingover/hammerhead to turn around - once you get the hang of it you are accelerating above 300 km/h heading straight down from a tail stand before you can say "erhohte notleistung" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:22 PM
No mixture control = no CEM/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:28 PM
oh yes the mixture thingy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 08:39 PM
left your cougar with a friend-ow! get it back now! -)
pp on a slider really is desirable for 109's but did try using microstick up/ down to imitate thumb rocker on late 109's- works ok but prefer the pitch /mixture 'quadrant' i wired into the toe brakes on my cougar-works better for other planes too!- useful to know how the 'enemy' flies.
i liked having mixture in beta 8 for the 109, even if it might be slightly unrealistic-maybe i just like 'fiddling'? but more than a few threads today about where has it gone
i also really got to like the v1.0 prop pitch on the emil- thank you experten1 campaign!- so good i did it twice!
be good to have 2 buttons for rad control- 1 to oppen, 1 to close (and maybe an indicator so i can switch off hud messages)
all subjective opinions....
anyone else?

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 09:01 PM
SkyHawk, putting your PP on a slider does not sound right at all. hehehe

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 09:22 PM
i take a little diffrent aproach. After lift of trim and level out, run the power up to say 95% and keep adjusting the pitch to run 2800 rpm. Once all is set fly the bird with pitch not throttle in a climb add more pitch to keep up rpm. I try to stay around 2800 rpm. O i use this in the e model 109. The auto pitch in the e blows. I have not tried on it the later model appears to work well. In a dive pitch way down so u do not over rev.
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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 01:54 AM
I_Jg3_BARKHORN wrote:
- i take a little diffrent aproach. After lift of
- trim and level out, run the power up to say 95% and
- keep adjusting the pitch to run 2800 rpm. Once all
- is set fly the bird with pitch not throttle in a
- climb add more pitch to keep up rpm. I try to stay
- around 2800 rpm. O i use this in the e model 109.
- The auto pitch in the e blows. I have not tried on
- it the later model appears to work well. In a dive
- pitch way down so u do not over rev.
- S!


true - and actuelly you can make a good climb with 85-92 throttle at around 2700 rpm - no overheat, but not good enough for combat - for a steady climb at 260-270 you can use 60-70% easily

XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 02:07 AM
I have prop pitch down quite well now and others here have already given some advice in that area but I would like to know the best situations and altitudes to adjust mixture (post-patch). Also, I would like to know the same about using MW-50 and if it is different now.



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XyZspineZyX
08-19-2003, 02:21 AM
Carguy.

The real life 109 and FW190 did not have mixture control
It was/is automatic. Thats why it is not there in the patch !

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