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MandMs
02-26-2004, 10:37 PM
The nick given to the P-51 Mustang because of Maytag's experience with intricate aluminum castings. The company was given a contract to supply castings for the Packard-Merlin engine.



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MandMs
02-26-2004, 10:37 PM
The nick given to the P-51 Mustang because of Maytag's experience with intricate aluminum castings. The company was given a contract to supply castings for the Packard-Merlin engine.



I eat the red ones last.

DangerForward
02-26-2004, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MandMs:
The nick given to the P-51 Mustang because of Maytag's experience with intricate aluminum castings. The company was given a contract to supply castings for the Packard-Merlin engine.



I eat the red ones last.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like what they called the P51D, the "Spam-Can." Mmmmmm Spam...

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mllaneza
02-26-2004, 10:44 PM
Cute.

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DaBallz
02-27-2004, 03:59 AM
Spam spam spam spam spamity SPAM, oh WONDERFUL Spam!

Yup, designed by a German formerly with Messerschmit
castings by Maytag.

Just think, Maytag's castings were superior to
Rolls Royce's.

Da...

ElAurens
02-27-2004, 05:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaBallz:

Just think, Maytag's castings were superior to
Rolls Royce's.

Da...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not suprising if you've ever worked on a Rolls Royce. Many many low quality parts, lovingly hand asembeled by true craftsmen. I've yet to work on a Rolls/Bentely that had every system functioning properly.

Lovely paint and interiors though....

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MandMs
02-27-2004, 05:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaBallz:

Just think, Maytag's castings were superior to
Rolls Royce's.

Da...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Superior to what Packard could do.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif R-R did not have a manufacturing plant in the USA.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You can put down the Stars and Bars anytime.



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ElAurens
02-27-2004, 05:46 AM
I suspect that the Maytag parts were made in addition to Packard's own production, as a means of boosting total output. The Packard Motor Company was well versed in high quality manufacture, of both aero engines and automobiles. They were also the prime supplier of engines for US built PT boats.

It should also be noted that Packard revised and simplified the design of the supercharger system of the Merlin, making it easier and faster to produce, and easier to service in the field.

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BerkshireHunt
02-27-2004, 06:04 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ElAurens:
Not suprising if you've ever worked on a Rolls Royce. Many many low quality parts, lovingly hand asembeled by true craftsmen. I've yet to work on a Rolls/Bentely that had every system functioning properly.
Lovely paint and interiors though....


Rolls Royce Aero Engines and Rolls Royce Motor Cars are not the same company and do not apply the same quality standards- never have done. Rolls Royce Aero Engines licences use of the RR name to the car company- which is now in BMW's ownership (meanwhile VW has bought the Bentley name).
If you'd worked on a Rolls Royce gas turbine you'd have a different opinion- we are talking about aircraft engines aren't we?.

Magister__Ludi
02-27-2004, 06:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BerkshireHunt:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ElAurens:
Not suprising if you've ever worked on a Rolls Royce. Many many low quality parts, lovingly hand asembeled by true craftsmen. I've yet to work on a Rolls/Bentely that had every system functioning properly.
Lovely paint and interiors though....


Rolls Royce Aero Engines and Rolls Royce Motor Cars are not the same company and do not apply the same quality standards- never have done. Rolls Royce Aero Engines licences use of the RR name to the car company- which is now in BMW's ownership (meanwhile VW has bought the Bentley name).
If you'd worked on a Rolls Royce gas turbine you'd have a different opinion- we are talking about aircraft engines aren't we?.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Funny how history solves everything: Rolls Royce bought the aero engine company from BMW and BMW bought the car company from Rolls Royce.

lkemling
02-27-2004, 06:19 AM
And Chrysler bought Jaguar...how the mighty have fallen!

ElAurens
02-27-2004, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lkemling:
And Chrysler bought Jaguar...how the mighty have fallen!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, that would be Ford that bought Jaguar.

Also, all of my experience with Rolls/Bentley automobiles are of the pre-German takeover cars.

I've always thought that BMW and VW's fight over ownership of Rolls/Bentley was rather like two bald men fighting over a comb. both of them want it, neither of them know what to do with it...

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02-27-2004, 06:42 AM
lol http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
im a brit, so i wub the RR http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
02-27-2004, 06:53 AM
Yeah, and isn't Chrysler now Daimler/Chrysler?



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Bansai Potato
02-27-2004, 07:10 AM
So who is slating the quality of Rolls Royce parts, how can you say that? I have actually worked on a genuine Rolls Royce Merlin and right next to it we have a licence built Packard Merlin, they both have exactly the same tolerances for producing parts, theres nothing low quality about the internals of either engine. Externally is a different matter pieces such as the main crank case housing that were roughly cast moulded look very rough on the outside but inside again it is all very finely machined to exact tolerances, after all they were made to function, not look pretty when the cowlings were up.
The castings were made all over the place under licence, our Packard Merlin crank case was cast moulded in the Buik (spelling) plant somewhere in the USA.
Low quality parts simply have no place and could not take the loading of a highly stressed V12 fighter engine.

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Chuck_Older
02-27-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Classic_EAF92:

The castings were made all over the place under licence, our Packard Merlin crank case was cast moulded in the Buik (spelling) plant somewhere in the USA.


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The spelling was actually, "Buik"?? Are you absolutely certain? That is surprising, Buick was a proud and respected name. I am in a Buick club, I'll ask around for info. When each divison made it's own engines, the tolerances and quality of materials in the GM heirarchy used to go: Caddilac, Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Chevy, meaning: a lifter, let's say, that met the highest standars and tolerances was a "Caddilac" part. The next best group were slated to be "Buick" parts, and so on. Of course, Buick made it's own engines with the exception of the L-head six (Chevy engine) until 1976 even though the designs were old, from the late '60s. But the parts did not interchange with other division's engines except for things like lifters, filters, and a couple brackets, so they were Buick engines, not GM corporate motors. Even carbs were Buick specific in the '70s. But I'm getting a bit off topic!

Do you have any idea at all what the possible Buick plants were that could have made Packard Merlin castings? It would make my search easier. I knew that Buick made a Tank Destroyer, but I didn't know they made castings for the Merlin, too. I can identify the Buick plants in the '40s with little trouble, I think.

And since we are also mentioning odd coincidences about the companies that made these things: The Packard Merlin casting you refer to was a license built English design, and apparently some parts were made by Buick, the company started by David Buick around the turn of the century, who was a Scotsman, also inventor of a process of adhering porcelain to cast iron- kinda makes him the Father of the modern bathroom http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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