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JorBR
02-09-2004, 11:21 AM
I am considering to install DCG Campaign Generator, although ever suspicious about un-official softwares I already have IL2Stab and it is quite good.

It seems that DCG replace DGen so I would like some advice from you people.

Thx in advance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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JorBR
02-09-2004, 11:21 AM
I am considering to install DCG Campaign Generator, although ever suspicious about un-official softwares I already have IL2Stab and it is quite good.

It seems that DCG replace DGen so I would like some advice from you people.

Thx in advance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"

BSS_Goat
02-09-2004, 11:28 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JorBR:
I am considering to install DCG Campaign Generator

I have been using it for about 2 weeks and like it. I play mostly offline campaigns. No problems w/ program. My install was kinda bumpy but I am a moron.

Skullin
02-09-2004, 11:35 AM
Well, all i can say is that i don't really see the difference, or else i don't know how to use it. hehe.. i see how to make random single player missions, but whenever i try a campaign, the mission just keeps repeating itself...

WWSensei
02-09-2004, 12:13 PM
"Well, all i can say is that i don't really see the difference, or else i don't know how to use it. hehe.. i see how to make random single player missions, but whenever i try a campaign, the mission just keeps repeating itself..."

Then you most certainly haven't set it up correctly. It sounds as if you haven't turned on Autogen.

I've run several campaigns offline using DCG and highly recommend it. It gives me the feeling of actually being in a war. The in-game campaign generator was a good step up from nothing and it has its strengths but I like the flexability of DCG more.

SeaFireLIV
02-09-2004, 12:46 PM
As usual I can`t praise Lowengrin`s DCG enough. It truly gives a feeling of flying in a real war. One of the sideeffects of the Mod is being able to watch Tank ground battles going on, knowing that the side that wins takes the ground.

I found in DGEN it was very hard to get any real ground battles. Here you see it all happening below you.

Then of course you have the flights, I remember having one flight where we intercepted fighters protecting German transports, we shot down the fighter, but the transports got away.
On the next mission, instead of following my orders I went to the airfield where the transports had escaped to and low and behold, there they were flying along just having taken off to return to their previous field.

There`s the other example where I and my squad took off and repeatedly attacked panzers heading straight for our air field. Again and again we attacked desperate to stop the tanks, finally the friendly AAA opened fire trying to stop them, but the panzers wasted them. Eventually we just had to leave. And it wasn`t scripted.


Add to it the fact that you can change individual rankings, skins, percentage of meeting enemy, how many and it can`t be beat!

I dunno what I`m gonna do when Aces comes out!

SeaFireLIV...

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antifreeze
02-09-2004, 05:07 PM
I downloaded the new version (2.43) a couple of days ago, and whilst it seems to be a great program, it needs a lot of babysitting. 'A bumpy ride' as rhett69 put it, is very mild. Prepare to spend quite a few frustrating hours trying to get it to work consistently. Eg. when you delete a campaign and then try to start another for the same country, the DCG folder ceases to show in the FB campaign list, so you can't choose your new campaign. I found a workaround, but only after three hours of trying to find the problem and fix it.

Even just trying to start your initial campaign can be a pain. The instructions look good (especially the website docs), but some of the info seems inaccurate or wrong to me, and some of the settings in the program itself are overly complicated and/or not well explained. It is far from apparent which mode you might prefer to use; again I spent hours trying to replace DGen, and it eventually dawned on me that that wasn't the mode that I wanted to use anyway.

There are also occasional small bugs. Eg. sometimes the map updates for a new mission, but the description repeats the last mission, so you are left guessing what it is you have to do.

Once you get a campaign running the actual gameplay seems fine, although I did have some small glitches in a couple of missions (Eg. two enemy planes were made part of the sveno behind me in one mission. My AI took off, circled and attacked them on the field; the planes behind them stupidly crashed into their burning remains). But most missions are pretty good.

On the whole it is worth it; the battle area really looks busy, especially if you choose a 75km/100km 'action radius'. You start to feel you are part of something big, rather than at the centre of something small. I additionally downloaded the RAF campaign-pack for the British AI voicepack, and also the Russian 'chatter pack', which uses the music 'Inflight' folder to play background radio chatter). Great enhancements.

RAF- http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html
Russian chatter- http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/SoundFiles/Russianchatter.zip
German chatter- http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/oberstguncam/SoundFiles/Germanchatter.zip

Thanks to all those who make mods and programs for FB.

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WWSensei
02-09-2004, 05:19 PM
You missed something then. To start my latest campaign from scratch all I had to do was run DCG, check replace DGen, exit DCG and then select a campaign like I normally would in the game. Done. Setup time, including download was 10 mins. Add another 5 to tweak things like squadron skins and some altitude settings I prefer and I was off and running.

I really don't know how much more simple Paul could make it.

boohaa
02-09-2004, 05:23 PM
Well if it is as good as many here say than the BOE add-on will be worth it.I figure if its installed already and with better menus/briefings and just a tighter package than its a must buy.

tttiger
02-09-2004, 05:56 PM
First, I use DCG all the time and like it very much. Read the rest of this with that point in mind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It is buggy. It is not intuitive. With respect, I have to disagree sith Sensei, who may have forgotten the first few times he used it, there is a huge amount of trial and error involved. I had to discover many work-arounds by myself.

And it is in constant beta, so there invariably is something that should work that doesn't. I truly don't understand why Paul doesn't get one version working completely before moving on to adding new features.

On the plus side, if you use the DCG forum, Paul is always willing to help you (very quickly) get it up and running. I've never seen better customer service. And he's a really good guy (anyone who has patience with my computer idiocy is a good guy).

On the negative side, Paul is a programmer and sometimes assumes incorrectly that those of us with monkey-see-monkey-do computer skills know what the heck he's talking about.

Again, I really like it. I use it a lot (as in daily). You can modify the campaigns to be anything you want them to be (I use the Crimea map and USAAF, RAF and Japanese planes for an ersatz Burma campaign and it works swell). I can use whatever skins I want to. Put planes into the mix, take others out.

So, it's a mixed bag. No computer generated missions ever will be as good as really fine hand-written ones, IMHO.

But overall, it's very good and the only way to fly US or British campaigns. At least at the moment.

Given Starshoy's very poor track record in the past, I suspect I'll still be using long DCG after BOE has been tried and tossed in the dust bin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

antifreeze
02-10-2004, 10:58 AM
I can believe that it works like a charm for some and not for others. NewView and FB Manager seem to have consistency problems too; some of my squad say these 'mods' worked first time and have never faultered, and others just can't get them to work properly no matter what they do.
I don't think it is a reflection of the wonderful programming these guys are doing, but instead of that fact that FB is a difficult game to 'plug in' to with 3rd party products, especially as there are so many updates to keep up with.

I hope my post wasn't too negative. You should definitely give it a try; even though I had to invest a lot of time, I still think it is really great. But take on board some of the problems that might occur and be prepared to persevere. If you don't have problems then... fantastic! But if you do run into problems, don't give up.. it will work eventually. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@WWSensei: Note the problem I outlined, the one you referred to, didn't relate to 'replace DGen' mode, whereby you choose a stock campaign from the lists. It relates to 'auto generate without replacing DGen' mode, in which you choose a special DCG campaign folder from the list. Unfortunately the DCG choice disappears from the list after you delete a campaign, and nothing you do can get it back on the list without copy and pasting folders and editing an ini file; I think that's a fair description of 'babysitting'? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[This message was edited by antifreeze on Tue February 10 2004 at 10:25 AM.]