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TexasCaesar
12-31-2016, 07:02 AM
I was wondering, does anybody know or have a good argument for what the AC: Empire setting is?

I know it's "ancient Egypt," but that's very vague. For most people, I'd say, ancient Egypt means the Egypt of the Pharaohs and pyramids. However, that era came to an end pretty early on, with Persians, Greeks/Macedonians, and Romans all taking turns colonizing the country. The famous city of Alexandria was built during that Macedonian period, for example, while Cleopatra lived in the Roman era.

So which era do you think it'll be? I'm guessing either Independent Egypt or Roman Egypt.

marvelfannumber
12-31-2016, 01:49 PM
It's a good question, Ancient Egypt after all spans a period of thousands of years. However I do have a few ideas of the most likely settings they'll pick.

New Kingdom Egypt 1550 BC – 1077 BC - Likely during the reign of Ramesses II which was during the height of Egypt as a superpower in the Middle East and a period of cultural revival. However the problem with this setting, despite it's potential is that it doesn't fit with the Egypt/Greece/Rome trilogy the leaks suggest.

Achaemenid/Persian Egypt c. 525 BC - 330 BC - It would fit well with the Greece part of the rumor and could explore a very unexplored period of Egypt. This was also the time period in which according to the lore the hidden blade was first used. However this still leaves the issue of Rome which wouldn't make much sense during this time period, however it still seems quite likely as the setting.

Ptolemaic/Macedonian Egypt 305 BC–30 BC - If it's set during the late Ptolemaic period you could easily fit in both Greece and Rome in some fashion. The Ptolemaic period would include an interesting mix of Hellenic and Egyptian culture which has rarely been explored in media. Ptolemaic Egypt has of course been explored quite a bit in epics from the golden age of cinema, but most of those were from an orientalist point of view and it would be interesting to see a more authentic depiction of Ptolemaic Egypt. I'm personally placing my bets on this period, as so far it seems the most likely to me.

There's also more obscure periods, but they're so obscure I doubt they'll actually do it.

Roman Egypt would be very interesting architecturally and could help the Greece and Rome games, but it would be lacking in any interesting historical events which would make it quite boring unless they came up with a very intiguing original story.

I myself would find Coptic Egypt quite interesting, but considering there's literally no movies or games (as far as I am aware) set in this period, I severely doubt they'll do it as it's simply too obscure.

I'll also write off any time period before the New Kingdom, as the further back you go, the smaller and less interesting the cities get. Not to mention that we'll know less and less the further back you go, and at a certain point all the history we have consists of pottery.

Sigma 1313
12-31-2016, 04:54 PM
MarvelFan is right. I think he and I have discussed it a few times, and I personally feel like Achaemenid Egypt would be a far more interesting setting than Roman Egypt. Obviously, due to Rome not being founded until about 800 BCE, it can't be before that if the rumors are true (so not the New Kingdom). However, Roman Egypt is far more marketable, and in the end will have better parkour and city opportunities in the roman section of the trilogy.

marvelfannumber
12-31-2016, 05:27 PM
MarvelFan is right. I think he and I have discussed it a few times, and I personally feel like Achaemenid Egypt would be a far more interesting setting than Roman Egypt. Obviously, due to Rome not being founded until about 800 BCE, it can't be before that if the rumors are true (so not the New Kingdom). However, Roman Egypt is far more marketable, and in the end will have better parkour and city opportunities in the roman section of the trilogy.

Well, I am more of the opinion that it will be late Ptolemaic Egypt instead of Roman Egypt (or maybe the transition into Roman Egypt). Because Roman Egypt doesn't really have many historical events they can build a story out of. The most interesting period of Roman Egypt they could do would probably be during the Sassanid or Muslim conquest in the 7th Century. However I doubt they would do that because the Sassanid conquest is too obscure and the Arab conquest would be too controversial.

Megas_Doux
12-31-2016, 06:16 PM
The new kingdom would be my ideal pick. I 've ALWAYS dreamed about the whole "first modern templar thing" and I say "modern" because is being hinted that this war goes back to Cain and Abel...With that premise, there's NO better examples for me than Akhenaten and Ramesses II.

UnknownGamer1994
12-31-2016, 07:57 PM
I was just thinking, what if the next Assassin's Creed will be based on the Exodus? Moses is trying to free his people from the Pharaoh who possesses the Apple of Eden to control them! What if the god that guided Moses to free his people is Jupiter! think about it, it would be an a really interesting thing to see in Assassin's Creed!

Megas_Doux
12-31-2016, 08:26 PM
I was just thinking, what if the next Assassin's Creed will be based on the Exodus? Moses is trying to free his people from the Pharaoh who possesses the Apple of Eden to control them! What if the god that guided Moses to free his people is Jupiter! think about it, it would be an a really interesting thing to see in Assassin's Creed!

I would stay away from any setting/story line that involves figures such as Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad if I was in charge.

marvelfannumber
12-31-2016, 08:52 PM
I was just thinking, what if the next Assassin's Creed will be based on the Exodus? Moses is trying to free his people from the Pharaoh who possesses the Apple of Eden to control them! What if the god that guided Moses to free his people is Jupiter! think about it, it would be an a really interesting thing to see in Assassin's Creed!
Yeaaahh, they're never going to do that. It might have some interesting lore potential, but the amount of backlash it would get from conservative nontroversies wouldn't be worth it. It's simply too touchy and/or risky for Ubisoft to base a full game on.

Not to mention that the Old Kingdom simply wouldn't have as many interesting cities and buildings as later periods.

Sigma 1313
01-01-2017, 12:32 AM
@UnknownGamer

I don't think they will do that. They did briefly mention in AC1 that "this split the red sea", but that doesn't mean Moses definitively exists in the AC Universe. Furthermore, theologians generally agree that the exodus happened around 1440 BCE, while Historians can find no real evidence of it ever happening (lack of records of enslaving jews, egyptian culture in Jews, pottery trails, food, water consumption, all things 3 millions Jews would have left behind and there would be evidence of, like there was for Xerxes Army of a smaller size 1000 years later). So now we have 3 major religions comprising almost half the world's population staring at either a historically accurate version of the Exodus (a few hundred people or none), which pisses them off, or we have an inaccurate representation that will piss off atheists (a growing philosophy) and historians. I love that Assassin's Creed dabbles in religious themes but it's a PR nightmare to deal with and not piss people off. I am sure that we will never see Mohamed in AC, due to the Islamic backlash of portraying him. Jesus is a heavily debated topic as well, and despite that the lore says he did exist, it could make for a very controversial game.

I don't see Ubi going towards any of those ideas that may challenge a large group like a religion, not only because of backlash, but because of the historical inaccuracies that would make the game feel less grounded (like in Syndicate). Plus Marvel is right. Historically accurate architecture from the New Kingdom would be worse than the Achaemenid Empire.

And @MarvelFan, thank for the correction about your thought on Ptolomeic Egypt. It is a possibility for sure, especially right after the founding of Alexandria. Like I said, I think Roman Egypt is more marketable in the long run because everyone knows the Roman Empire. Also, the Sassanid Empire may work, but like you said was obscure. The Muslim conquests of Egypt would ruffle too many feathers and be too late, as that was technically in the middle ages. If I remember correctly, "ancient history" ends at 476 CE following the split of the Roman empire into the East and the West.

marvelfannumber
01-01-2017, 01:26 AM
Also, the Sassanid Empire may work, but like you said was obscure. The Muslim conquests of Egypt would ruffle too many feathers and be too late, as that was technically in the middle ages. If I remember correctly, "ancient history" ends at 464 CE following the split of the Roman empire into the East and the West.

Well I (and a few historians) subscribe to the thesis that the Islamic conquests marked a greater political/cultural split from the Antique world than the somewhat trivial collapse of the Western Roman Empire. Not to mention that Egypt on the eve before the Islamic Conquest would still look and feel alot like Ancient Egypt, despite being Christian. It's a shame they won't do it honestly as it would make for a very unique, unexplored and interesting setting.

Megas_Doux
01-08-2017, 11:21 PM
The following post won't increase the quality of the thread with either a rumor or a impressive amount of historical info. But hell my hype for Ancient Egypt has grown on me more than ever before:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/1867_Edward_Poynter_-_Israel_in_Egypt.jpg/1024px-1867_Edward_Poynter_-_Israel_in_Egypt.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUO8y9xLFcE

I mean, imagine a sand storm while this track plays in the background:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoQcUnh3Kkk

If only that game was properly done; achieving its full potential......

Helforsite
01-09-2017, 01:28 PM
Just some picutres of how Assassins Creed Empire could look:
http://www.egyptlandofeternity.com/images/abuSimbel/abuSimbel2011_03_28_091.jpg
http://pre01.deviantart.net/717c/th/pre/i/2014/196/a/1/assassin_s_creed_egypt_by_tetamonja-d7qs2d0.jpg
http://pre00.deviantart.net/54b7/th/pre/f/2014/201/2/1/assassin_s_creed_amunet_1_by_yowan2008-d7rgmfq.jpg
http://img10.deviantart.net/0ac8/i/2014/198/9/f/numa_al_khamsin_by_flashnl-d7r3q1f.jpg
http://kaheel7.com/eng/images/stories/34(3).jpg

marvelfannumber
01-09-2017, 07:34 PM
Just some picutres of how Assassins Creed Empire could look:
http://www.egyptlandofeternity.com/images/abuSimbel/abuSimbel2011_03_28_091.jpg
Actually Abu Simbel would not have looked like that in Ancient Egypt. Like most ancient monuments, be they temples, basilicas, palaces or otherwise it would have been brightly painted:
http://i.imgur.com/AeXvTZp.jpg

Here's hoping Ubisoft doesn't forget about this. Their research team is usually pretty good though, so I have hope.


http://kaheel7.com/eng/images/stories/34(3).jpg
I have no idea where this nonsensical photoshop experiment came from, but it looks ridiculous on so many levels.

libertyprime892
01-24-2017, 05:49 PM
Just mentioned this in another post but personally I think it would be awesome to play Amunet, the assassin mentioned in ac2 who killed cleopatra with a venomous snake. I think the snake could be a full time weapon/tool which would allow for a ranged aspect (shouldn't be any guns, besides bows). It could be used similar to the drone in watch dogs 2 lol. Either way I think Egypt is soooo suited to ac, ubi create cities so well in their respective time periods. Imagine the pyramids! Which I think where almost white and smooth as they were faced with limestone, we could see some in finished states and some under construction. The tombs, the mystery, the monuments and sphinx! I would also love to see the clothing customisation. I think going back in time is what we need and ancient Egypt would really refresh the series.

MissAcrophobia
01-25-2017, 01:05 AM
The game would be set in 30 BC then, at which point the pyramids would be already 2,500 or so years old. But while we wouldn't see them under construction, they could still be white. It would actually be quite nice to see things as they might have looked back then, not only the pyramids, but also the monuments, as mentioned above. (Same with ancient Greek sculpture, by the way, those were painted, too.)

I would like to see the Colossi of Memnon. One of them had cracked and made sounds in the morning due to the air heating up. We could also visit the Theban Necropolis then, where they are located.

NewbieOfCOD
01-25-2017, 03:44 AM
One of the mentioned characters within Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood was "Romulus" he was the 1st owner of Ezio's best armor in that game. If I am correct, I would be somewhere in ancient Europe/Africa.

sebastianmk
01-25-2017, 07:09 AM
I know this image right here is from AC EMBERS, but could this tweet from Darby Mcdevitt be a hidden tease for the next AC ?

https://twitter.com/DarbyMcDevitt/status/822224131806679040


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2kgexkXcAAAYH2.jpg


the only visible parts for EMBERS are the letters "EM"

AC EM... (EMPIRE)

just I wild thinking...

MissAcrophobia
01-25-2017, 04:03 PM
One of the mentioned characters within Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood was "Romulus" he was the 1st owner of Ezio's best armor in that game. If I am correct, I would be somewhere in ancient Europe/Africa.

Romulus was the legendary founder of Rome in 753 BC. The armor however belonged to Brutus (died 42 BC). Personally I think the latter time would offer the better setting, not only because Rome itself is more suited for parkour at that time, but also because it could tie perfectly with an AC game set in Egypt (Cleopatra died in 30 BC, we might see or play as Amunet then).



I know this image right here is from AC EMBERS, but could this tweet from Darby Mcdevitt be a hidden tease for the next AC ?

https://twitter.com/DarbyMcDevitt/status/822224131806679040


the only visible parts for EMBERS are the letters "EM"

AC EM... (EMPIRE)

just I wild thinking...

Can't see the image, but it might be a tease. Embers is years old. Why tweet now about it, if not for a tease.

i0n777y
03-22-2017, 02:07 PM
Just mentioned this in another post but personally I think it would be awesome to play Amunet, the assassin mentioned in ac2 who killed cleopatra with a venomous snake. I think the snake could be a full time weapon/tool which would allow for a ranged aspect (shouldn't be any guns, besides bows). It could be used similar to the drone in watch dogs 2 lol. Either way I think Egypt is soooo suited to ac, ubi create cities so well in their respective time periods. Imagine the pyramids! Which I think where almost white and smooth as they were faced with limestone, we could see some in finished states and some under construction. The tombs, the mystery, the monuments and sphinx! I would also love to see the clothing customisation. I think going back in time is what we need and ancient Egypt would really refresh the series.

would be cool but wont happen

i0n777y
03-22-2017, 02:10 PM
The following post won't increase the quality of the thread with either a rumor or a impressive amount of historical info. But hell my hype for Ancient Egypt has grown on me more than ever before:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/1867_Edward_Poynter_-_Israel_in_Egypt.jpg/1024px-1867_Edward_Poynter_-_Israel_in_Egypt.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUO8y9xLFcE

I mean, imagine a sand storm while this track plays in the background:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoQcUnh3Kkk

If only that game was properly done; achieving its full potential......

more like DARUDESANDSTORM

Helforsite
03-22-2017, 07:49 PM
more like DARUDESANDSTORM

Oh god, dont give them any ideas:mad: