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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 04:57 PM
I really play flight simulations( especially WW2 sims!) for a quite long time now and i was always interested in planes. And i always thought of buying such a plane when i am older and earn(much,haha!!) money. But Il-2 Sturmovik confirmed my decision: I wanna buy a WW2 plane and fly around not a simple cessna(it is lame). So IL-2 really made me hot to especially these planes. It will take about 10 years when will be able to buy such a plane, but then my dream comes true. I dont really know which plane it would be. I think german planes such as a BF-109 or a FW-190 are very rare. But a P-51 Mustang would be ok too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .Or a P-47 which i really saw a few weeks ago flying over my house.
Absolutely incredible!!!

Now u can see what IL-2(for me the perfect simulation) can make of "normal" people!!!

Is anybody of you flying yet such a plane!

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 04:57 PM
I really play flight simulations( especially WW2 sims!) for a quite long time now and i was always interested in planes. And i always thought of buying such a plane when i am older and earn(much,haha!!) money. But Il-2 Sturmovik confirmed my decision: I wanna buy a WW2 plane and fly around not a simple cessna(it is lame). So IL-2 really made me hot to especially these planes. It will take about 10 years when will be able to buy such a plane, but then my dream comes true. I dont really know which plane it would be. I think german planes such as a BF-109 or a FW-190 are very rare. But a P-51 Mustang would be ok too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .Or a P-47 which i really saw a few weeks ago flying over my house.
Absolutely incredible!!!

Now u can see what IL-2(for me the perfect simulation) can make of "normal" people!!!

Is anybody of you flying yet such a plane!

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 05:02 PM
Yea, I was flying a real Fw190 last night. While I was still climbing a few seconds after takeoff my alarm clock went off.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 05:07 PM
Purchase cost is only the half of it. When you add on hangerage, running costs, maintenance, insurance etc. you had better win the lottery as it's like throwing money down a bottomless pit!!

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 05:12 PM
Join M$ - some of their managers have enough dough to collect those birds... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 05:14 PM
some companys make fab german 109s I saw it on the web some time ago it looked great and I think it would be fun to.
sorry I cant remember were ,but its out there.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 05:16 PM
All you will need is about 2,500,000 U.S. dollars in disposable income for the plane, hanger, flying lessons, maint., etc. etc. and that is probably conservative.

Well, I wish you the best with your goal and I hope to see you flying your warbird in an airshow some day.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 05:17 PM
Start saving and get yourself an IL2:

http://www.itsrussian.com/airsales/vintg-ir.htm

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 06:12 PM
OK you convinced me. So i have to be a millionaire.
Then i will anyhow buy a cessna or something like that.
If i cant afford that i wanna buy a porsche 911 or take my fathers one. Perhaps that could give me a kick. But anyway thank you guys.A Porsche must be in the garage! So i will go to my computer and double click on IL2. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif This godlike simulations are made for us "poor" people who can only afford a 600 Eu computer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 06:32 PM
How about a Me-262?

These (http://www.stormbirds.com/) guys are building five new 262s based on a teardown they did on a museum aircraft. At least two are taken, so a few are still available.

However, you can also pick up a Fw-190 (http://www.flugwerk.de/new/fw190/fw190.shtm) from these wonderful people. Hope you win a few lotteries /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 06:44 PM
Hmmmmm..me too! who wouldn't? but on a side note....does anyone know what the FAA (US) Regulations are about owning and operating a WW2 type plane for recreation?

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 06:52 PM
CannonFokker wrote:
- Hmmmmm..me too! who wouldn't? but on a side
- note....does anyone know what the FAA (US)
- Regulations are about owning and operating a WW2
- type plane for recreation?
-

AFAIK there's no legal problem as long as you dont have any guns on it.

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 06:55 PM
Normal FAR's(FAA Regs) apply as long as you don't fit a 50cal or something like that to your plane, it then becomes a weapon of war. I don't know what you have to do then.

XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 07:03 PM
Anyone want to chip in for one of those Me262s? I can probably stretch to paying for a tire, maybe even two

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XyZspineZyX
11-07-2002, 08:05 PM
>>>>>AFAIK there's no legal problem as long as you dont have any guns on it.

No guns? Then why bother. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:23 AM
zjulik wrote:
- >>>>>AFAIK there's no legal problem as long as you
- dont have any guns on it.
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- No guns? Then why bother. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 05:43 AM
If you're looking for nice performance in something a (good) bit more practical and affordable, take a look at the "RV" series of homebuilts. http://www.vansaircraft.com

There's some assembly required, but you could get a basic VFR RV-8 in the air for roughly $24,000 US. Throw in the optional wingtip tanks (extra 8.5 gallons of fuel each) and you're looking at an aerobatic capable plane that'll carry 2 people up to 1,200 statute miles at almost 200 mph and get what works out to about 27 miles/gallon while doing it.

Skip the tip tanks and the range drops to about 900 miles, but that's still great.

If all goes to plan I expect to start on mine within the next 8-12 months. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Ideally I'd like to go full glass, IFR cockpit, FADEC and skip the vac system and go right to solid state gyros, but all that would be just about quadruple the cost of the basic airframe, so it's not gonna happen anytime soon. In 10 years though, it might be affordable, and then I can retrofit. (Hey, if you're gonna dream, might as well dream big /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:02 AM
hop on over to stormbirds . com they got 5 more me262 in the proces of being built from scratch 3 are still for sell

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:38 AM
Maverick...if you want to own a German WW2 aircraft, it is not going to be that rare. A friend of mine and I are planning on going into business "restoring" German WW2 aircraft. We are going to attempt to make them appear as historical as possible, but we will tweak certain things in the airframe, engine, safety features dept., etc. We already have the information to start on our first couple projects, but this will not happen for some time as we are just starting college. The planes we are planning on constructing so far are as follows: (first) Bf109E-7/Z, He162, and the Ta152H-1...those three planes are as rare as it gets, but we plan to make a business out of it and fix it so that they are not rare. I don't have a name for this future business or anything, but in about 8-10 years, look up those three aircraft. Hopefully we will be up and running by then...oh, and my friend and I are not quite close with the crew at stormbirds yet, but we might be getting a small internship with them, and we will be able to learn under the best of the best. Anyway, good luck in your pursuit for the aircraft...if I had to reccomend what to look into, I would definitely say the P-51D Mustang, or the P-40N....those two planes are available if you look in the right places, and they are sweet. Seeya.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 06:41 AM
haha i just got caught to!!!!!!!i just told some guy he posted on a 9 month old post and here i did the same /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 07:58 AM
CannonFokker wrote:
- Hmmmmm..me too! who wouldn't? but on a side
- note....does anyone know what the FAA (US)
- Regulations are about owning and operating a WW2
- type plane for recreation?


Generally the only restrictions come in the form of a restricted or an experimental type certificate which limits the areas over which you may fly, and the operations that can be done in the aircraft. I have flown a few WWII Warbirds that had standard type certs however and a few have approved operations listed as aerobatic, such as a North American AT-6 and a Boeing/Stearman PT-17 I fly.

In truth though, the cost of something like a P-51 is beyond what you might imagine. after the 1.5 to 2 million purchase price, you are going to have MAJOR insurance premiums, hangar and maint. costs. . .heck the merlin engine has a TBO of around 250 hours (that is "time between overhauls") and each of those is going to cost you about a quarter million right there, and all along the way you will be burning about 112 gallons of fuel per hour! at a cost now of around 2.65. . thats about $300 per hour just to fuel it (and lets not forget oil. . lol)!

I for one feel that flying these birds is priceless though, and while I think an Extra 300 is a bit more *fun*. . there is just something about a merlin engine and teh perfect lines of a P-51, or a big radial and an open cockpit that makes you smile with every cell of your body!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:27 PM
I've been following the progress of the Flugwerk project but my budget wouldn't run past a Triking cyclecar.

XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 01:50 PM
CannonFokker wrote:
- Hmmmmm..me too! who wouldn't? but on a side
- note....does anyone know what the FAA (US)
- Regulations are about owning and operating a WW2
- type plane for recreation?
-
-

Perfectly legal.
Catagorized "Experimental Aircraft"

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:09 PM
Hell, you dont have to fly it. Just find a clunker and clean it up real nice and put it in your yard. You could eventually get it running but thats not a big deal. Wouldbe cool just to have the plane all cleaned up and looking good. Most of the planes in the museums could fly, but never will. Why spend all that money on a plane that will never fly? I have seen several such birds in yards. An F-4 Phantom in one yard. A Lear jet of all things in another, and there is a guy in St.Louis that does just this thing with Vintage jets. No engines. Just cleans up the plane, restores the cockpit and parks it. They look good.

...and once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward,
for there you have been and there you long to return.
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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:13 PM
Buy your self a harvard (t-6)

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:16 PM
What about making (or pruchasing) a WWI biplane replica? Something like an Albatros CIII or a LFG Roland CII?

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XyZspineZyX
09-13-2003, 02:46 PM
I wish I could too. But it only makes sense if there is the onboard armament so that I can strafe the neighbour's dog. It never seems to stop barking, especially when I'm trying to sleep.

A few more euros and I'll go and buy the NASM FW190D11, and I'll probably buy their Ta 152 too in case the dog decides to bark at high altitude.

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