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Texas LongHorn
09-08-2004, 05:13 AM
Fellow IL2FBAces Lunatics, I have a quick question and an observation. Do any of you guys collect REAL flying jackets or am I the only guy in this group that collects memrobilia? The reason I ask is I need some kind of verification of a specific Jacket that may or may have belonged to my Uncle. He flew 47's in the ETO and later transistioned to PTO P-47's of all things. That said, the photo's of him in England clearly show the Pacific style Leather Jacket. Thanks in advance.
Now for my observation, I suspect, and I have said it before, that Oleg is going to BLOW THE DOORS OFF THE FLIGHT SIM WORLD with PF. He strikes me as the crafty kind of guy who keeps his friends close and his enemys closer <ggg.> What I meant by that is that I too used to write the endless code and the stuff is priceless. When it's done it'll be one the shelve. I personally am starting to have PF mission dreams where I wake up an remember designing a Slot mission in the FMB. I know I'm sick now, all the best, LongHorn

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Texas LongHorn
09-08-2004, 05:13 AM
Fellow IL2FBAces Lunatics, I have a quick question and an observation. Do any of you guys collect REAL flying jackets or am I the only guy in this group that collects memrobilia? The reason I ask is I need some kind of verification of a specific Jacket that may or may have belonged to my Uncle. He flew 47's in the ETO and later transistioned to PTO P-47's of all things. That said, the photo's of him in England clearly show the Pacific style Leather Jacket. Thanks in advance.
Now for my observation, I suspect, and I have said it before, that Oleg is going to BLOW THE DOORS OFF THE FLIGHT SIM WORLD with PF. He strikes me as the crafty kind of guy who keeps his friends close and his enemys closer &lt;ggg.&gt; What I meant by that is that I too used to write the endless code and the stuff is priceless. When it's done it'll be one the shelve. I personally am starting to have PF mission dreams where I wake up an remember designing a Slot mission in the FMB. I know I'm sick now, all the best, LongHorn

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Chuck_Older
09-08-2004, 07:50 AM
"Pacific Style" jacket? Please elaborate. As far as I know, Cooper sportswear made an Army Air Corps A-2, and a US Navy A-2.

Are you referring to the fur collar on the leather jacket? Easily could have been added to an Army A-2 by a local tailor. Many modifications were made to the A-2s 'in the field', like fur collars and side entry pockets. Also, it wasn't uncommon for US Air Crew to have RAF equipment.

Post one of the photos if you can get it scanned.

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Tater-SW-
09-08-2004, 07:57 AM
The navy guys had M-422 leather jackets, for example, not A-2s. I've seen some of the AVG guys in M-422s as well.

I don't collect them, but I have thought about it &lt;G&gt;. It's cheaper than buying a fighter, heheh.

tater

Chuck_Older
09-08-2004, 08:50 AM
Ah- of course you are right, tater. No idea why I called them both A-2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

You can still buy A-2s and other jackets, new, by the way. I have two Cooper A-2s, one's painted and one is just my regular use-it-every-day leather jacket. Good quality, but unlined, like the originals. Made to original spec, as I understand

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horseback
09-08-2004, 09:31 AM
Close to half the AVG's personnel were ex-Navy/Marines, so the presence of Navy flight jackets is reasonable.

As for the Longhorn's uncle wearing a 'Pacific' style jacket, were the pictures in question taken in the summertime? People in England start dying of heatstroke once the mercury hits 80 degrees, so a Texan wearing a light jacket in July (particularly early in the morning) sounds normal to me.

Also, remember that aircrew in fighters flew in enclosed, heated cockpits, unlike bomber crews, who had open windows for guns and bomb bays all over the place. They'd wear everything they had on a mission; which is the origin of the 'layered look.' Fighter guys were relatively lightly attired.

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

Ki_Rin
09-08-2004, 09:51 AM
Even the German pilots prefered British flying chothes and accessories...

The Irvin company on England still makes flying jackets according to wartime specs...they are the ones that originally made the jackets for RAF

Jackets are cool, but Id love to get my hands on original leather helmet with goggles and mask...US, Brit or German...

I can only imagine what treasures were "littering" and surplus and used/second hand markets in the '50s and '60s...clothing, personnel and airframe eq., etc...*sigh*

"Consequences are for lesser beings; I am Ki-Rin...that is sanction enough"

Tater-SW-
09-08-2004, 09:56 AM
The other really good jackets are by Eastman ( http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=127103326 ). Real McCoys is also supposed to be good. Those two follow exact specs for ww2 jackets. They ain't cheap though, expect to spend $600 for such an exact replica.

Here is an excellent site on A2 flight jackets:

http://www.acmedepot.com/a2jacket/index.shtml

tater

stubby
09-08-2004, 10:45 AM
My brother, out of the kindness of his heart, painted an horse hide flight jacket for me a few years ago.

http://home.comcast.net/~jamesarlene/images/jack1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jamesarlene/images/jack2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jamesarlene/images/jack3.jpg

Chuck_Older
09-08-2004, 11:56 AM
Now that's pretty cool

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gombal40
09-08-2004, 12:07 PM
yup that sure is!! I think you're bro can make some money doing this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Reschke
09-08-2004, 12:50 PM
My grandfathers entire PV-2 squadron had their M-422 jackets stolen off the C-47 they were riding back to Florida after the end of the war. They had a refueling stop in Oklahoma where the jackets mysteriously disappeared and since the squadron was technically already disbanded the Navy refused to reissue the jackets.

He should be getting his jacket "issued" to him again this year for Christmas by all of us grandchildren. I have one on order but would like to have it painted with his squadron patch and plane name. I don't have the pictures to reference since he lost them all in a house fire a while back but have made good progress on locating squadron numbers and such. Now I just need to find the actual patch if possible.

Lcdr. Reschke
CO VF-17 " The Jolly Rogers"
The Jolly Rogers (http://www.vf-17.org)

Texas LongHorn
09-08-2004, 05:37 PM
Hey guys, I figured it out! No wonder I had trouble ID-ing the jacket, it's Luftwaffe! In the photo the jacket has a very slim fit and the two distinctive breast pockets are plainly visible. Another post lead me to Eastman Leather and there it is;
http://www.eastmanleather.com/images/LuftWW2.jpg
No wonder Syd looks so cocky in the photo, I'm sure a jacket from a captured Luft flieger was a high value item with any ETO pilot, right up there with a captured Luger for an infantry man. All the best, LongHorn

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horseback
09-09-2004, 02:23 PM
Stubby-

In the first pic of your jacket (good work, btw), are all those signposts places where you 'bombed'?

Longhorn-

Are you sure your uncle didn't just swap jackets with Heinz 'Pritzl' Bar? A number of photos show him wearing an American A-2...

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

Texas LongHorn
09-10-2004, 03:52 AM
Horseback, that's funny.
I suspect if old Syd met up with Bar hee'd just repeat the story he once told me about flying the Jug in the ETO. But that's for another day. Syd was modest but could could be plyed with a beer or six. He did tell me jokingly he loved the Jug because "When you were getting SHOT at you could jump up and down and run around the cockpit." All the best, LongHorn

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stubby
09-10-2004, 07:36 AM
Horseback,

Hehe - LA, DC, Cleveland - never bombed during the big war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I got the idea from Wild Bill Kelso's jacket from '1941'. I thought the sigm posts were neat and wanted them on the jacket.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texas LongHorn:
Hey guys, I figured it out! No wonder I had trouble ID-ing the jacket, it's Luftwaffe! In the photo the jacket has a very slim fit and the two distinctive breast pockets are plainly visible. Another post lead me to Eastman Leather and there it is;
http://www.eastmanleather.com/images/LuftWW2.jpg
No wonder Syd looks so cocky in the photo, I'm sure a jacket from a captured Luft flieger was a high value item with any ETO pilot, right up there with a captured Luger for an infantry man. All the best, LongHorn

http://img49.photobucket.com/albums/v149/msdavis/My_Sig_Image2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

kecurroj
09-10-2004, 02:42 PM
I've been collecting flight jackets for over ten years, mostly original ones. I can probably answer any questions you have about them.

&lt;S&gt;
Kecurroj

Obi_Kwiet
09-10-2004, 04:23 PM
I don't have the money.

Chuck_Older
09-10-2004, 05:38 PM
stubby-

I kinda got mad at you in another post.

I just over-reacted because you misunderstood me. Shouldn;y do that

thay does indeed remind me of Wild Bills's jacket. I painted one myslef a few years ago, an A-2 of mine got slashed(!) so i painteed it up. It's a Hell's Angel witht he name "China Doll". Not overly pretty but I think it;s kind of authentic looking. Will post pic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Tater-SW-
09-10-2004, 05:53 PM
BTW, the navy didn't issues A-2s, they issued M-422s. Been thinking of buying a reproduction from Eastman or Real McCoys. Maybe I'll make my wife get it for me for Christmas, lol.

tater

Chuck_Older
09-10-2004, 06:09 PM
Tater forgot he already replied http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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stubby
09-10-2004, 11:59 PM
Chuck_Older,

Don't sweat it. I apologize for the mis understanding on my part. I pegged you wrong and my sub standard reading ability got my foot in my mouth.

stubby

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
stubby-

I kinda got mad at you in another post.

I just over-reacted because you misunderstood me. Shouldn;y do that

thay does indeed remind me of Wild Bills's jacket. I painted one myslef a few years ago, an A-2 of mine got slashed(!) so i painteed it up. It's a Hell's Angel witht he name "China Doll". Not overly pretty but I think it;s kind of authentic looking. Will post pic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/BBB3.jpg
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Clash<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

kecurroj
09-11-2004, 11:15 AM
Tater,
I have an original M-422a for sale if you're interested. It's a size 42 and is in really good condition.

&lt;S&gt;

horseback
09-11-2004, 11:16 AM
Personally, I could never bring myself to wear a horsehide jacket; it just wouldn't seem right.

If & when things ever cool off here in sunny San Diego, I'll have to get a new Navy G-1 of distressed goatskin or cowhide, having become somewhat "broader of beam" (as my younger brother so politely put it) since I bought my old G-1 ten years ago.

The G-1 is a Navy intermediate weight flying jacket, vaguely similar to the one worn by 'Indiana Jones.' I find it more comfortable than the A-2 because it has the expansion pleats?-flaps?-gussets?- for the back and shoulders, which I prefer when I raise my arms to shoulder height.

Also, it looks really cool when I put on my beat-up fedora...("It ain't the years, baby, it's the miles...")

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

Texas LongHorn
09-11-2004, 10:58 PM
horseback- You Sir have good taste &lt;ggg.&gt; I have two vintage G-1's and my newer (three years or so) one is the jacket of choice for daily wear here in the chilly Pacific Northwest. Either that or one of two others I actually wear;
Jacket, Flyers, CWU-45/P (N) made by Alpha Industries. All the best, LongHorn

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