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Weather_Man
02-03-2004, 04:20 PM
For you AMD64 types, MS is letting you download a free 360 day trial of the new Windows XP 64-bit Edition OS from their website. You can also order a CD.

If you're a bit impatient for the official release, or just curious....check it out and tell us how it performs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp

Note: only compatible with AMD64 processors.

Weather_Man
02-03-2004, 04:20 PM
For you AMD64 types, MS is letting you download a free 360 day trial of the new Windows XP 64-bit Edition OS from their website. You can also order a CD.

If you're a bit impatient for the official release, or just curious....check it out and tell us how it performs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp

Note: only compatible with AMD64 processors.

BaldieJr
02-03-2004, 04:32 PM
Whoah. Thanks!

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Cajun76
02-03-2004, 06:04 PM
Yes, thank you, downloading now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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gurypuddle
02-03-2004, 06:11 PM
Thanx Weather_Man,

I plan on putting together an AMD64 rig next week. Ordered the CD just now. It would be great if we could get some feedback from those who can download and install it readily at this point. It will be very interesting to see how it performs. Good find! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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Cajun76
02-03-2004, 06:23 PM
I know some guys around here that have similar systems to mine, and I have enough time to try this out, and reinstall XP if nesassary before the Aces pack. I'm currently running XP Pro.

Motherboard: MSI K8T NEO-FIS2R K8T800

Proccessor: Athlon 64 3200+ w/400FSB

CPU Cooling: Thermaltake AMD K8 Venus 7+

RAM: GeIL Golden Dragon 1GB
PC3200 400MHz Dual
Channel DDR

Video Card: OC Systems 9700Pro Level III w/ 128Mb (415/730MHz)
CPU/Memory

CD Drives: Sony 16X DVD 40X CD-ROM
Sony DVD+RW/-RW 4x (8x32x24x10x4)

Hardrives: Western Digital 80Gb 7200rpm w/ 8Mb cache
Western Digital 120Gb 7200rpm w/ 8Mb cache
Western Digital 250Gb 7200rpm w/ 8Mb cache

Case: Lian-Li PC-60 Aluminum Mid-Tower Case

Power Supply: Thermaltake W0011 Dual Fan 480W

Moniter: 19" Samsung flat CRT

HOTAS: TM Top Gun Afterburner

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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noshens
02-03-2004, 06:28 PM
But there is no software that would work with it yet, am I right?

tsisqua
02-03-2004, 06:35 PM
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tsisqua

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gurypuddle
02-03-2004, 06:40 PM
Hey Cajun,

How has the K8T NEO worked out for you? I was going to go with an Abit board but the fellas at the pc store talked me into the K8T. Just would like some input if there is anything you might be able to dial me in on before I start wrenching it together.

Thanx

GP


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tsisqua
02-03-2004, 06:56 PM
Hey Cajun,
You and I have the same system, pretty much. i already ordered the download, and I will get it as soon as they send me the link. We should probably stay in touch so we can help each other out in case of problems. If you don't care, I'll send you my email addy in a PT message in case you need me for anything. I've read your posts, and talked to you enough on here to know that you are ok, and I trust you with my address.

And Awayyyy We Gooooo!

Tsisqua
edit: DL coming in right now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cajun76
02-03-2004, 07:05 PM
It works just fine. As you can see, I have more than 4 IDE devices hooked up, the 250Gb HD is plugged into my IDE3 RAID controller, works just like using my other 2 HDs without juming through hoops.

The board is arranged quite well, most everything is accesible and where it should be. Having the mobo rack on your case always helps installation, though. The RAM setup is a bit weird, if you plan on having more than 1 Gb of it, otherwise, no problem.

It also seems quite resilient, as I apparently tried my best to fry it for 2 weeks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But still working fine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040105/index.html Here's an article that might help sort out some of the differences of the mobos, as well as direct you to the bit about the MSI memory configuration.

Edit: Thank you, tsisqua, I'm honored. Since M$ isn't really supporting us, it's a good thing to rely on our own, combined experience.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Zatorski
02-03-2004, 07:39 PM
Tsisqua and Cajun,
Get on that horse and crack the whip !!!!!

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HellToupee
02-03-2004, 07:41 PM
been able to get free 64bit linux OS's for quite some time and for greater than 360 days :P

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gurypuddle
02-03-2004, 07:47 PM
Thanx Cajun for the review. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Good read at the link also. I'm always a little sceptacle when I have my mind set on one thing and somebody talks me into another. Let us know how the XP64 works out for you guys.

GP


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gurypuddle
02-03-2004, 08:13 PM
yay1,

Picked this off an article at PC World.

32-Bit Support
The Athlon64 can run both 64-bit and 32-bit applications on a PC with a 64-bit operating system, and with the Microsoft's Windows on Windows 64 emulation technology, customers can run current 32-bit applications on the 64-bit operating system all without a reduction in performance speeds, the company said in a statement.

Customers investing in 64-bit technology don't have to worry about losing the use of current applications while at the same time opening the door to future upgrades as 64-bit applications become available, Microsoft said.

Final releases of both the Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for 64-Bit Extended Systems and Windows Server 2003 for 64-Bit Extended Systems are scheduled for the first half of 2004, the Redmond, Washington, company said.

Microsoft is aiming the new Windows platform at gamers, promising advanced gaming, digital content creation, and video editing all within a "cinematic computing PC experience," the company said. The Windows and AMD64 platform will also bring increased speed and efficiency to online transaction processing, data warehousing, financial services, and computer-aided design along with engineering and scientific projects, it said.


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Weather_Man
02-03-2004, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HellToupee:
been able to get free 64bit linux OS's for quite some time and for greater than 360 days :P

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, this is true. But, you can't run FB on it now can you? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And don't forget your 64-bit graphic drivers fellas! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm really curious in how this will affect the games, if at all, since they still run in 32-bit mode. So, please do come back and tell us what you think.

I'd love to upgrade, but I just did a few months ago. So, I'm waiting until the new BTX form boards come around.

tsisqua
02-03-2004, 08:37 PM
Alright, Gents, and Ladies (?)

Getting ready to install now. If you do not hear from old Tsisqua for a while, . . . well, LOL, I'll be back soon, one way or the other.

Wish Me Luck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tsisqua

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gurypuddle
02-03-2004, 08:39 PM
Yep, I'm with you Weather_Man. As I always say..."If it was easy, everybody would be doing it". Had not thought about drivers and so-forth......good point. Hope the guys that can try it out will give us an update. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sending good karma vibes to tsiqua...bzzzzzzt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GP


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[This message was edited by gurypuddle on Tue February 03 2004 at 07:47 PM.]

RedSpar
02-04-2004, 12:44 AM
I built an Athlon 64 3200 system with a MSI Neo motherboard a few months ago and it has worked flawlessly since I built it.

I am running 1 gig of Kingston DDR400 Hyper-X ram and a Radeon 9700 Pro.

I documented building it on DV tape...Not too exciting to watch, but if you are interested on how it went together you can download it here:

http://www.redspar.com/videos/Spar's64.avi
(best if you right click and save as)

It's in DivX format...if you don't have the divx codec you can get it here - http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX511Bundle.exe

Enjoy!

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Cajun76
02-04-2004, 01:49 AM
Ok, since tsisqua took the plunge.....

I was going to wait for the weekend, but here goes......

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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tsisqua
02-04-2004, 02:09 AM
Ok, I have it installed. I ran into some snags that were mostly due to my own error. I had to burn the dl'd iso file to a cd that I could boot from, and I already had started the install when I realized I had the wrong product id number. Luckily I saved the email with the info to my slave drive, but it meant a reinstall of home xp to be able to view it.

My present problem is that it doesn't see my crappy 16 pci soundcard (Creative/ Soundblaster). It also won't use the integrated sound chip, a Realtek, AC97. So if I don't get some sound soon, I will either have to go back to 32 bit, or buy an expensive sound card.

The good news:
FB works just fine. There seems to be a little bit of a difference in the general appearance, but until I get some sound working, I will NOT be doing extensive testing . . . I simply can't stand to fly with no sound . . . AArrrggghh! So, I am off to try and resolve this.


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BaldieJr
02-04-2004, 05:46 AM
Google it. I saw a site with info for AC97 drivers for 64bit XP, but don't have time to dig the link up.

Gigabyte seems to have all the drivers ready, I just don't have a CD burner. I'm going to try buring it at work, and if that should fail, I'll be getting a new burner this evening http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I can't wait to get another hard-drive. I can't imagine how well FreeBSD will run on this thing!

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S77th-MOC
02-04-2004, 06:49 AM
dude get a Fortissmo. its better then creatice and it cost only 50 bucks. i hate creatives bugy sound drivers.

Weather_Man
02-04-2004, 06:52 AM
Tsisqua, sorry to hear your troubles. I know how that goes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Try PlanetAMD64.com for drivers. They've got some good resources there. http://www.planetamd64.com/modules/mx_pafiledb/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=2

If that doesn't work, see if windows has a list of drivers to choose from in the "new hardware/add new device/install from list" menu.

Good luck

[This message was edited by Weather_Man on Wed February 04 2004 at 06:09 AM.]

Cold_Gambler
02-04-2004, 07:44 AM
Cool thread Cajun, Tsisqua, Weatherman (etc,,,)

I won't be upgrading to 64bit until BoB comes out (yes, Oleg dictates my upgrade schedule http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) but it's nice to have you techno-pioneers blaze the path and letting us (well, me) know the lay of the land http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

tsisqua
02-04-2004, 07:49 AM
Weather Man, thanks for the site, and I will continue to use it, but I really think that after being up all night with this OS, I will go back to my 32 bit OS. It seems to be several issues that are causing me grief. The main gripe that I have right now is that M$ says right up front: "No Support" . What I would like to know is how they are going to benefit from an open beta with no reporting? Interestingly enough, Win 64 doesn't even see the integrated soundchip on my MoBo. I have installed all my MoBo drivers, and only half the controllers are even visible (RAID and advanced usb do not work, even with the correct drivers)to this beta OS. The crazy thing is that my MoBo was designed with the 754 socket specifically for my AMD64, knowing that eventually Win XP 64-bit was going to have to run on it. Microsoft designed this software (according to them at the whatever show that it was revealed on) with the currently available 64-bit processors from AMD in mind. I know that this OS is a beta version, and that there would be some problems, but with problems like these I want SUPPORT from Microsoft. This reminds me of CFS3, where all those that bought it became unpaid developers; "Here it is" says M$, "We are done for now. You all are on your own!" . I know that it seems that since this was a free beta, I shouldn't complain, but the evaluation period is up in 360 days, and after that you must buy a retail copy, so it isn't really free.

Cajun has a different MoBo than I do. Mine is a GAK8VT800M from Gigabyte. He may not be having the trouble that I am, but I find it troubling that after exchanging PT's, and email addies with him that he hasn't showed up since he decided to follow my lead. I just hope to God that he isn't having as much trouble as I have had, and that it goes smoothly for him.

Tsisqua

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BaldieJr
02-04-2004, 08:24 AM
Via has beta drivers for K8T800..

http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=300

I don't think you can install onto raid with these though.

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tsisqua
02-04-2004, 09:13 AM
Thanks Baldie. I am back to Home XP now . . . very good to hear sounds again. I'm looking forward to seeing a post from Cajun to see how he did. May have to wait till he gets home from his occupation.

I've saved my Win64 cd, and as new drivers and fixes come out, I will probably give it another try.

Tsisqua

gurypuddle
02-04-2004, 09:23 AM
tsisqua,

Sounds like you really made a great effort to make it go. I did a search at MS for updates for XP64. The only thing that was there was security updates and the last one dated in October. So I guess when thay say no support they really mean it. Thanx for the update.

RedSpar,

That was a cool little video you made. Thanx very much for posting it. My only fear at this point is wether or not the Mushkin PC3200 ram I have will be compatible. You and Cajun have laid to rest any aprehensions I had with the mobo.

GP


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Cajun76
02-04-2004, 09:39 AM
I didn't get too far, unfortunately. It installed well enough, then I got several errors when it tried to run my mobo driver CD, I couldn't get the One touch setup to do it's thing.

I'm no PC whiz, but I generally seem to know more about them than my peers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

My problems are further complicated by the fact I use a Japanes ISP, and their installation is in Japanese, when Windows will even recognize the script. (I have every language set installed on my PC) I've memorized which buttons to click on during installation, and what to put in which feilds, but any problems mean there is no way, even with a translator, to interpret Windows corrupt version of the installation symbols/writing. The Japanese use a slightly differant programming language. Long story short, I can't access the internet with XP64 running, so trying to get help at the same time I'm having problems isn't going to work. I got some weird hangups/pauses every once in a while, but the system is very fast when these hiccups didn't occur.

Also, several other programs I normally rely on didn't seem to work. That may be due to 1) that the mobo driver CD wouldn't install properly, so a partially configured board. 2) they are 16 bit applications, which XP64 won't run 3) the system is too new and fragile to run any 3rd party windows software.

Maybe someone else will have more success, and maybe if I peruse that AMD 64 site I may find the things I need, but for now XP Pro is back on. I have enough hardrive space to install XP64 on another hardrive, so I may try that as an expirement. I wish I had installed my integrated spell checker before I posted..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Weather_Man
02-04-2004, 11:01 AM
So, 0 for 2. That's not what I was expecting. Sounds like MS is really needing the vendors to get on board with their driver support, and the vendors need a functional OS to develop with, lol.

Well, I imagine things will get sorted out in due time. Growing pains can be tough. Thanks for being the guineau pigs though!

tsisqua
02-04-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>. . . Growing pains can be tough. Thanks for being the guineau pigs . . . !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good to see Cajun back online, but sad that he had a similar eXPerience to mine. I realy feel that it won't be long before we give it another go, now that this is an open beta. I plan to go over to the AMD forum, and post this eXPerience there.

Weather_Man, I feel more like a lab rat right now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BaldieJr
02-04-2004, 02:52 PM
I'm wondering if joysticks are even supported http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Talk about tossing a wet blanket on the fire!

I was going to install 64-bit XP tonight, but I don't think I will untill I know that my stick will work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RedSpar
02-04-2004, 03:30 PM
Yeah this is the same crap I went thru when WinXp first launched. I had WinXP on opening day and the main problem that dogged me for the first 6 months was NO DRIVER SUPPORT.

XP is awesome now..but then..it was a crapshoot..So I have no doubt it will be the same with XP64.

I am going to wait for the official launch and hope by then M$ will have driver support ducks lined up in a row.

Too bad as I am chomping at the bit to try it as well.

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HellToupee
02-04-2004, 06:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HellToupee:
been able to get free 64bit linux OS's for quite some time and for greater than 360 days :P

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, this is true. But, you can't run FB on it now can you? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And don't forget your 64-bit graphic drivers fellas! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm really curious in how this will affect the games, if at all, since they still run in 32-bit mode. So, please do come back and tell us what you think.

I'd love to upgrade, but I just did a few months ago. So, I'm waiting until the new BTX form boards come around.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well nvidia has had amd 64 drivers i belive since the opteron, they probly have windows ones to.

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TheGozr
02-04-2004, 07:55 PM
so any boost?

-GOZR
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G13man
02-04-2004, 08:03 PM
tsisqua... you said the good news was that fb did work in win64 , on your amd64 .
[bad news no sound.]
any one get those drivers BaldeJr mentioned ..

.owl.watcher .found answer to not buying XP right now .. burn me that 36o day free-bie from gates..money saved lets me buy 256xt ps orderd today

k6-2 .5g, 2 megvid
reading forum for setting up

amd64,ig,256xt vid

reusing,case,os98,hd,cd

Cajun76
02-04-2004, 08:04 PM
I saw a definite increase in speed. Boot up was very quick. But it would also hang up a little at times. I'll probably give it another go this weekend, when I have more time to try and sort out problems. I didn't want to leave Tsisqua all alone with that M$ brute. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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tsisqua
02-04-2004, 10:41 PM
I was very tired when I last posted today, so I didn't really give many details, other than my M$ rant. My apologies.

I downloaded the Nvidia driver for the 64 bit OS, and while (briefly) flying FB I noticed a definite change in the appearance of the textures. On "excellent" settings, things looked more like they do on perfect. I actually went into the graphic settings to see if I was on perfect, and was surprised to see that I wasn't. There was no noticible increase in FPS, maybe even a slight drop, but no REAL big difference.

Yes, my Cyborg FFB stick did work, but forces were not there, even though they were turned on. So I guess that is a yes, with a FFB problem. Once again, I believe a driver fix for the forces will be along as soon as enough people complain to the hardware makers.

Cajun, thank you for jumping in there with me. You know what they say: "Misery loves company".

Tsisqua

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Cajun76
02-05-2004, 02:32 AM
LoL. Yeah.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif In relation to your post, Tsisqua, I should be more clear. I noticed the OS was faster, didn't get far enough to run FB. I think I'll try agian this weekend, though.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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G13man
02-05-2004, 03:37 PM
Is thier a time limit for this offer of free os64.
I mean does this free down load stop/end , soon/when?

k6-2 .5g, 2 megvid
reading forum for setting up

amd64,ig,256xt vid

reusing,case,os98,hd,cd

owlwatcher
02-05-2004, 05:33 PM
Tech TV said no drivers for ATI

G13man
02-06-2004, 06:50 PM
Cleaning and re arranging house this weekend, waiting for delivery. hope to hear on os64 w/FB this week end from some of you all .. Owl.watcher, u said u'd burn me dvd's.... burn me a Microsoft OS 64 ..and any test's that would be usfull [like some of your creations? how many bombers now?] is ur email up? i can only acces mine from work gl hf watch your wings soon , owl watcher soon.

k6-2 .5g,198m, 2 megvid
reading forum for setting up
[Albatron 8T800 PROII :64/3200
1G Mushkin pc3500. on order]
[256xt vid next paycheck]
reusing,case,os98,[64?]hd,cd

owlwatcher
02-06-2004, 10:32 PM
Hey Gord
Got e-mail back. Got rid of one problem now two lessor ones
Sent you email
Happy for you!! About friggin time.
Send email to ATI about drivers. Post at 3d rage also
Get that 430 PS other wise you will have problems.
Will burn cd
Thank god you getting XP. Check Storage review for best HD.
We can check the 108 mission for FPS.
Check lock up time 39 Pe-8's.
Get the 430 PS.
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SMLE.303
02-07-2004, 05:53 AM
Tsisqua Thanks for advice you gave me on the amd 64bit and I ordered a 3000+ 64 and a soltek sl-k8rv2-rl they are half the price of asus and gigabyte boards here in oz and when nforce3 250 boards come out with soundstorm it wont be much of a loss upgrading then anyway as you can pick these soltek broads up for $155au was wondering if you have made much more progress with windows 64 and have managed to get the sound going yet and do you think it mite be a better Idea to have a play with xp 32 bit as I have only have a radeon 9800np and a radeon 9100 as there are no OGL drivers yet and I am not sure about getting a nivida videocard and do you know how those FX5200's and FX5600's with go with FB.

Thanks again for your advice and any more would be greatly appresated.

Thank you
SMLE.303

Cajun76
02-07-2004, 05:55 AM
I think that's the longest run-on sentence I have ever read... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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tsisqua
02-07-2004, 08:13 AM
SMLE,
I never did get the sound to work, and what we really need from Microsoft is a list of supported hardware. I wouldn't recomend running XP 64-BIT exclusively. A good idea would be to duel boot two OS's, and add drivers as they are released until finally us 64bit people are all the way up and running.

I am not going to run out and buy a soundcard just for this OS, unless I know what hardware will actually work with it, and so far we know nothing. It was very cool, however, to get a taste of my AMD64's speed when actually running in 64bit mode. I still have my cd, and I will definitely be running more trials, but not this weekend. I need to see drivers released to "goose" me into making another go of it.

Now, to everyone that is trying to help their friends by burning cd's for them: I understand that we are all trying to help each other out here, and there is nothing wrong with that, seeing it is a free "evaluation", BUT . . . you better read the agreements that accompany this OS, because it reads the same as any other NDA. In fact, according to the agreement, we really aren't even supposed to tell anyone that we are testing it . . . but I suspect that this is the same agreement that was handed out in the closed beta, and with an open version like this, they should know that we are going to discuss what happens. Right now, the buddy system is the only support that we have. I simply do not understand why there is no way to report bugs to MS.

Tsisqua

LEXX_Luthor
02-07-2004, 11:56 AM
tsisqua, Forget the Grafix. Can you determine what the effect your AMD chip with new test OS has on the number of planes flying and fighting in FB?

This may work:: Load QMB with 16 aircraft on both sides (32 total), put your plane on autopilot, turn on FPS meter, and time accelerate to 8x and observe the FPS as the aircraft close for combat. My Athalon 1700+ on WinXP drops framerates at a mere 2x, so this test may be able to stress your system at 8x. And you don't need sound working for this test.



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Cajun76
02-07-2004, 12:31 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I hope SMLE realizes I was kidding around http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

tsisqua, I hear you, and I had been thinking about stuffing XP64 into one of my drives until some driver support comes along. I didn't fool with it either this weekend, mostly due to apathy on my part. I apoligize to anyone who may have been depending on me, it's just a real pain. I don't like windows very much to begin with, and trying to install a beta version with no support from the developer and vendors wears thin, quickly. I won't make it my primary OS again for quite some time, that's for sure.

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SMLE.303
02-07-2004, 02:54 PM
Thanks tsisqua I will dual boot and build put my new parts in another box and just use it for FB and leave my curant system alone, I am sick of reinstalling everything every time I do a upgrade for this habit forming game it must be like crack cocaine but to late I'm hooked oleg please hurry up with aces I need another fix.

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tsisqua
02-07-2004, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
__tsisqua__, Forget the Grafix. Can you determine what the effect your AMD chip with new test OS has on the number of planes flying and fighting in FB?

This may work:: Load QMB with 16 aircraft on both sides (32 total), put your plane on autopilot, turn on FPS meter, and time accelerate to 8x and observe the FPS as the aircraft close for combat. My Athalon 1700+ on WinXP drops framerates at a mere 2x, so this test may be able to stress your system at 8x. And you don't need sound working for this test.



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Lexx,

I will definitely give this a try the next time that I load XP 64. With the 32 bit OS, this same test yeilds amazing results. I cannot remember the exact fps I got the last time I did it, but if it is any better with the new OS I will be duel booting just for FB as soon as I can have some sound for real. Also, with no sound support the FPS test will not give accurate results, only a rough idea. Still, I am curious enough to give it a try. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tsisqua Edit: Lexx, I just ran the test with Home XP, 32 bit, and got the following results.
For the highest: 87
Lowest said "0", but I think it will always say that. I never dropped below 42.
The average was around 60

This was OpenGL, stencil buffer on, excellent settings, 1024x768 resolution. The a/c were a mixed batch, including 12 B-17's, 4 ponies, 4 BF-110's, 4 FW-190's, and 8 BF-109's. I'll compare this to what we see with the 64 Bit OS.

(I forgot: Nvidia Ti4200 128 DDR from Asylum)

[This message was edited by tsisqua on Sat February 07 2004 at 03:48 PM.]

[This message was edited by tsisqua on Sat February 07 2004 at 03:50 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
02-07-2004, 06:04 PM
Okay tsisqua, to test the AMD chip independent of Grafix card, you must use time acceleration. Just set your player plane on autopilot and record, from in cockpit with cockpit turned on, any FPS changes as you ramp up to 2x, 4x and 8x time speed. Also record the FPS changes when the aircraft merge to dogfight/gun range.

I noticed no mention of time speed in your tests. This is critical because to really test the AMD chip you may need far more than 32 aircraft. But time acceleration makes up for the limited number of aircraft.

32 aircraft at Normal time speed is like 16 aircraft at 2x time which is like 8 aircraft at 4x time which is like 4 aircraft at 8x time...blah blah... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

...so 32 aircraft at 8x time speed would be like 256 aircraft at Normal time speed. Lets see if you can do 32 aircraft at 8x time (again after all the aircraft close to combat range). What we are trying to do is find the breaking point of your AMD chip--no it won't break but the FPS may become unplayable). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Set player plane to autopilot


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tsisqua
02-07-2004, 11:33 PM
Ok, Lexx. Before I reinstall, I will run the test exactly as you described, then repeat the test afterward. Thanks for the help.

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G13man
02-09-2004, 04:16 PM
thanks for tips and since i don't have the cd yet i didn't read any agreements yet.. I guess i'll just order a cd .. and i'll try a dual boot [linux64 anybody?] i'll keep my old machine on OS98 , for net access ..

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RedSpar
02-09-2004, 04:22 PM
AnandTech did a great review and benchmark testing of WinXP 64 bit on their site.

Thought you guys would want to read it. See it here: http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.html?i=1961

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RobertNighthawk
02-09-2004, 06:12 PM
Thanks for the review, Redspar.

Cajun76
02-10-2004, 04:47 AM
Yes, thanks for the review RedSpar. I'd pretty much decided to either put the new OS on another drive ( I have 450Gb, internal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) or have a dual boot system.

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tsisqua
02-10-2004, 06:45 AM
Yes Redspar,

Thank you very much. For right now those gaming benchmarks are horrible, and I believe that this will change as drivers are released. I'm still excited about all this, but it is really going to be awhile before everything is optimized.

Tsisqua

G13man
03-08-2004, 10:00 AM
It's in. yeehaaa...win 98 no go, win98 se works, winxp64 not working yet will reload again this weekend. now to find il2 fb gold..

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