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EPP-Gibbs
04-30-2004, 10:47 AM
Hi chaps,

I've just unwrapped and installed TIR2. It works in FB without problems, but I'd like to fine tune it to improve its responses. Do any of you have any useful tweaks to the settings to get it working well? The main thing would be to reduce he ammount of re-centering that I do, and the ammount of head movement required.

Any help is appreciated,

cheers,

Gibbs

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

EPP-Gibbs
04-30-2004, 10:47 AM
Hi chaps,

I've just unwrapped and installed TIR2. It works in FB without problems, but I'd like to fine tune it to improve its responses. Do any of you have any useful tweaks to the settings to get it working well? The main thing would be to reduce he ammount of re-centering that I do, and the ammount of head movement required.

Any help is appreciated,

cheers,

Gibbs

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

gates123
04-30-2004, 11:29 AM
Make sure you have a good amount of deadzone in the middle, I picked smooth setting and then tweaked it a bit...works great, and GL

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/justin/1087/WWII/Images/Thumbs/TBf109AK.jpg
Did anyone see that or was it just me?

JG52Uther
04-30-2004, 11:45 AM
print out the pdf manual.it has all the info.it is 30 pages though!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Spectre-63
04-30-2004, 11:55 AM
Gibbs -

I got mine about a month ago and, as suggested, best bet is to try a preset (or someone else's profile) and then tweak it to your own preferences. Spend some time in the manual and you'll figure out how the motion curves work. That'll help you to figure out what's happening when you're flying.

Another suggestion a friend gave me when I got mine was to spend some time in either the track viewer (in manual view control) tracking targets or, if you've got the basics down and need some tweaking, flying QMB against a friendly target. Get used to how you need to move your head to keep the target in view. It's very natural so you'll find you'll pick it up pretty quickly.

Lemme know if you'd like a copy of my profile...nothing special but it might give you a slightly better starting point.

http://home.comcast.net/~mjmcmahon672/images/Sig_Small.gif

Scen
04-30-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPP-Gibbs:
Hi chaps,

I've just unwrapped and installed TIR2. It works in FB without problems, but I'd like to fine tune it to improve its responses. Do any of you have any useful tweaks to the settings to get it working well? The main thing would be to reduce he ammount of re-centering that I do, and the ammount of head movement required.

Any help is appreciated,

cheers,

Gibbs

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey I was recommeded to go here http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/games/il2.html

and download Charvel's profile for IL2. I've been using it for a few weeks and I love it. At first I had to get used to the dead zone being a little larger than usual but once you do it's real solid for shooting.

Good luck man

stewart12
04-30-2004, 12:19 PM
HI Gibbs try hornetstings profile from this thread.http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=460105373 Just copy and paste to wordpad and change it from a text file to a tir file I found it a great profile and hevent had to change a thing about it (thanks hornetsting)
Cheers,
Stewart.

EPP-Gibbs
05-01-2004, 04:15 AM
Right,

I downloaded Hornetsting's and Charvel's profiles. Sooo much better! Then having worked out how to tweak, I've fiddled with Hornetstings just a little, to marginally increase the dead zone, and it's just great.

4 hours later, and I'm wondering how I ever managed without it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's just so natural, you never lose SA (Situational awareness) Barrel rolling over the top of an enemy while never losing view is easy now.

One thing I noticed is an occasional slight tendency to hang/stick/lag with a bit of jerkiness at the extremes of sideways motion. Worse one side than the other? it's not constant, but intermittent, and sometimes gets worse with time. Any ideas?

My guess is that it's losing track of the dot as my head movements get more erratic! I'll experiment with mounting the larger square or two on a dowel (small cylinder for the non-diy'ers) set vertically, so that if my head looks left or right, it still sees a good reflection from the dot.

However that is only a minor gripe compared to the overall feeling of WOW!

Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated

Gibbs

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

rpkiller
05-01-2004, 07:37 AM
Whilst on the subject, does anyone know the best place to get one in the UK? I've just been paid and fancy a new toy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rp

EPP-Gibbs
05-01-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rpkiller:
Whilst on the subject, does anyone know the best place to get one in the UK? I've just been paid and fancy a new toy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rp<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got mine here...US Company, www.edimensional.com/products/edaccessories.htm (http://www.edimensional.com/products/edaccessories.htm) with a UK outlet. Paid about 63 with 7 delivery on top. Arrived in 2 days.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.djurovich/Sig4.jpg
"If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!"

1.JaVA_Hornet
05-01-2004, 04:33 PM
Hi,
Thanks for the positive reactions.

Maybe i have another tip for you.

I have putted my trackir device at the down
left square of my monitor and pasted the 4 aluminium dots that came with the cd of trackir
on the microphone of my headset.

Together with my profile it works best.

1.JaVA_hornet
The Netherlands

EPP-Gibbs
05-01-2004, 07:00 PM
Hornetsting, thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try as bottom left corner is the best place to put the camera for me too! It's perched very awkwardly on the top of the monitor at the moment, and I find that I subconciously stretch my neck upwards. I also found that at the extremes of movement, as in check high 6 it helped to move my head in such a way as my face was still facing the monitor squarely, like an Indian dance.

Cheers,

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.djurovich/Sig4.jpg
"If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!"

AtomicRunt
05-01-2004, 07:25 PM
I use a piece if 1\2" O.D. rubber hose that has been cut lengthwise(can be "clipped" almost anywhere)with the large square dot.
http://www.execulink.com/~jesten/Trk1.jpg
http://www.execulink.com/~jesten/Trk2.jpg

Salute!
AB AtomicRunt
http://www.execulink.com/~jesten/LogoABS.jpg

PriK
05-01-2004, 09:01 PM
Hey, I'm glad to see you guys like my profile (I'm Charvel btw). Being on the TIR beta team I can tell you that you guys are going to love the new drivers coming out soon. There are a couple of features that will not only make TIR3 work great but will add a couple new features to TIR2 as well!

Not sure if or how much I'm allowed to say yet now that the TIR3 is announced but it will unlock a previously unused feature on TIR2 and some other tweaks.

These things just keep getting better and better! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CWoS FB forum. More Cheese, Less Whine. (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25)

PriK
05-01-2004, 09:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPP-Gibbs:
One thing I noticed is an occasional slight tendency to hang/stick/lag with a bit of jerkiness at the extremes of sideways motion. Worse one side than the other? it's not constant, but intermittent, and sometimes gets worse with time. Any ideas?

My guess is that it's losing track of the dot as my head movements get more erratic! I'll experiment with mounting the larger square or two on a dowel (small cylinder for the non-diy'ers) set vertically, so that if my head looks left or right, it still sees a good reflection from the dot.

However that is only a minor gripe compared to the overall feeling of WOW!

Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated

Gibbs

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, sounds like you are losing track of the dot on the far extremes of viewing. You can do one of two things:

1) speed up your profile so that you don't have to look so far to either side. The problem with this is that you lose a bit of precision and have to hold your head that much stiller.

2) Check your tracking page to see the shape of your dot cluster at the farthest extremes of head motion that is still comfortable and check to see if the dot goes red. If it does you are not letting the receiver see a good full-on perspective and can compensate by using a cylindrical or spherical piece on the end of a "boom" extension so that the receiver still sees a good shape.

Remember that to get the most precision from the unit, the dot should travel the greatest portion of the tracking screen as possible (and comfortable) especially side-to-side. This is a drawback sometimes of microphone boom setups. the more space you can travel on that tracking screen the better so depending on how far back your receiver is you may want to fashion a long boom to keep the distance of the dot somewhere around 16" or so. I find using a bundle of a few drinking straws works good because they are very light and won't jiggle as you move. Finally, attach some sort of sphere or verticle cylindar on the end and arrange a cluster of tracking dots to it.

Of course, to each their own. Some people are fine using the TrackHat or mic boom or even a dot on the forehead so whatever works. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CWoS FB forum. More Cheese, Less Whine. (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25)

EPP-Gibbs
05-02-2004, 02:55 AM
Cheers, Prik.

I thought the problem was along those lines. I'll start experimenting with it....right away! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.djurovich/Sig4.jpg
"If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!"

PriK
05-02-2004, 08:24 AM
Good luck. PM me if you have any problems.

A-Cat CharveL

CWoS FB forum. More Cheese, Less Whine. (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25)

EPP-Gibbs
05-02-2004, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
Good luck. PM me if you have any problems.

_A-Cat CharveL_

_http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25_
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All sorted out. I got a piece of dowel (9mm cylider, 25mm long) 3/8" by 1" covered it in black tape and stuck on two square reflective dots side by side, so they almost go all the way around. Now, the 'camera' never loses track. It's smooth at the extreme edges of motion now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.djurovich/Sig4.jpg
"If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!"

Spectre-63
05-02-2004, 08:44 PM
Just out of curiousity, Gibbs, where and how did you mount the piece of dowel? That's the most difficult part I've found: finding a place to mount it so it's always there when I fly.

http://home.comcast.net/~mjmcmahon672/images/Sig_Small.gif

PriK
05-02-2004, 11:13 PM
Just a suggestion but the straw bundle is not only cheap and easy to work with, it's also rigid enough and extremely light. Not to mention it's not hard to add or subtract more straws if necessary.

For me it works better because it's taped onto the headstrap of my headset mic.

A-Cat CharveL

CWoS FB forum. More Cheese, Less Whine. (http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25)

FunYun46
05-02-2004, 11:17 PM
How about some pictures of these homebrews? It's kind of hard to picture what you speak of with straws and dowels. My TrackIR2 arrives tomorrow. Very psyched.